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Google Summer of Code Results 220

Posted by Zonk from the impressive-most-impressive dept.
Nattfodd writes "Almost two months after the projects, deadline, partial (but fairly complete) results of Google Summer of Code are here. The completion rate of projects (and thus payment of the students) was approximately 90%, which would certainly qualify for a 'huge success' of the operation. Summer of Code paid more than 400 students of 49 countries to spend their summer helping open-source projects, 4500$ on completion. Now we just have to wait for the T-shirts..."
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  • Nice idea, poor pay (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:23PM (#13875579)
    Its a nice thing for Google to try to do, but who were they really targeting at that pay range? A decent summer internship in CS pays 2-4 times that much.

    • Re:Nice idea, poor pay (Score:5, Funny)

      by eln ( 21727 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:26PM (#13875618)
      People on scholarships. Do you have any idea how much weed you can buy for $4500?

    • Re:Nice idea, poor pay (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Jussi K. Kojootti ( 646145 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:44PM (#13875821)
      Did you consider that the internet, and this program, are accessible also from outside of your country?

    • Re:Nice idea, poor pay (Score:4, Insightful)

      by iambarry ( 134796 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:53PM (#13875937) Homepage
      Who says that many of those who participated in summer of code didn't also have summer CS ineternships?

      --Barry
      • It was one of the requirements that they didn't. Still $4500 is more than you will get under many government grants working for the summer. Considering that most open source internships before this paid "$0" (you don't typically get paid for fiddling around on some code in your apartment all summer) $4500 is not anything to laugh off.
    • Students who like deciding their own work hours
      Students who want to get a full time job with Google
      Students who are interested in the type of projects that Google has available
    • but who were they really targeting at that pay range

      our brethren in banglore? ;)

    • Re:Nice idea, poor pay (Score:3, Insightful)

      by moo083 ( 716213 )
      If you have skills but no experience, this is a way to get something on your resume.

    • First: It really wasn't about the pay. The pay was damn nice, but it wasn't about that.

      Secondly: I and many others also had part time jobs/internships.

    • If you work as a research assistant for a prof. under a grant you can make as low as $7 - 9 an hour. It is certainly enough to live on if you are getting that for 40 hours a week and it comes out to about what Google paid. Bitching about it like this is pathetic; of course a private sector internship hacking on databases is going to pay more than a job doing what you love. Tell me the internship numbers in the gaming industry if you want a better comparison. They are either unpaid or are just as low. I
  • How are these programmers immortalized? I mean, beyond placing that on a resume. Does Google use this as a sort of co-op system for hiring future talent?
    • How are these programmers immortalized?

      Well, obviously Google will now be paying teachers to have future generations of school children memorize and recite by heart the complete list of contributing programmers!

      We cannot allow the names of these brave souls who laboured so hard for several months to be lost in the sands of time. Their memory shall be passed on from generation to generation for time immortal.

  • No VB? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:25PM (#13875594)
    They didn't accept my VB entry?!
    • They didn't accept my VB entry?!

      You should have done like the winners did - use google to cheat.

      VB means you must have cheated using MSN Search, not Google Search! You might as well have told them you're going dressed up as Steve Balmer for Hallowe'en (don't forget the chair :-)

      • Developers! Developers! Developers!

        So I wonder if there is someone working in Redmond who's job it is to make sure Balmer takes his meds?

  • How about a winter of code? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:25PM (#13875598)
    That was sucessful. Lets follow it up with a winter of code, and give the OSS world a christmas present
  • Is 400 bigger than a Google?

  • dollars (Score:3, Funny)

    by termos ( 634980 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:26PM (#13875620) Homepage
    $4500. No problem.

  • Good idea! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Mysticalfruit ( 533341 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:27PM (#13875626) Homepage Journal
    Get the next iteration of programmers comfortable with their tools and API's.

    I'm suspecting the future is going to smell like AJAX...

    Also, while barely literate, I'm pretty sure that dollar sign goes before the ammount...

    • ... depends on what part of the world you're in ...

      Also, when is the last time you SAID "dollars forty-five hundred"? Of course, if you're going around as Yoda on Hallowe'en, "dollars forty-five hundred" might just be the way you'd speak ...

    • I'm suspecting the future is going to smell like AJAX...

      That sounds not not too bad [procter.se]!

  • So much publicity and all you win is... (Score:4, Funny)

    by TarrySingh ( 916400 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:27PM (#13875627) Homepage
    4500$!...geez!

  • Other Results: (Score:5, Funny)

    by Quaoar ( 614366 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:27PM (#13875633)
    Percentage of summer of code participants getting laid: 0%
    • As they say; you've got your worker bees and you've got your drones. Sure, one doesn't get to sit around hunting poon all day long, but god help all the drones if the honey runs out.

  • Interesting Demographics (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mikesmind ( 689651 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:28PM (#13875642) Homepage
    I scanned through the list and am intrigued by the demographics. I was surprised that there weren't a few more women. I always knew that programming was dominated by men, but I didn't realize it would be that far skewed. The shop I work in is primarily COBOL and we have a good percentage of women working here. Perhaps that skewed my perception.
    • Have you ever been involved in a CS or Computer Engineering program at a University? It varies, of course, but when I went to school for Computer Engineering in 1995, there was ONE woman in the entire department. From hanging out in the CS building, it seemed like they were easily 95% men too.

      There has been a lot of effort recently to try and get more girls interested in math and science in the pre-college years, but there has only been limited success. There remains a tremendous disparity in the number

    • Re:Interesting Demographics (Score:5, Interesting)

      by university chica ( 729309 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:42PM (#13875798)
      I'm a senior in computer science at a university that has a total of 17000 students. I'm also the only female student in my graduating class. Conservatively, I'd say there are maybe 7 other female students in CS who've made it to their junior year. CS loses 99% of female students, and it's half way through the semester, so we may have lost a couple more. For a little perspective... there are over 100 guys in their junior or senior year. I don't understand it. I mean, who wouldn't want to spend their entire scholastic career surrounded by a collection of the geekiest men the university has to offer?
      • I will continue to quote my CS professor Max "Mad Max" Mintz [upenn.edu] until he is no longer relevant:
        Some people say that the girls don't like computer science, but I don't think that's true. I think girls don't like the boys in computer science.
        I think that'll be forever. The guy sitting in front of me in the lecture immediately responded, "Hey! I resemble that remark!"
        • One of the female programmers I used to work with once said:
          "Sometimes I think I work with all of the people who spent their grade school years getting beat up by everyone else."
      • Thankfully, here in Britian the numbers are a slight bit better.

        Still only about 1/5 - 1/4 females on most university courses (according to UCAS, the university (or is it college in America, not sure) admissions people), intereastingly, the percentage of woman seems to generally increase the better the university.

        As a guy, I feel sorry for anyone studying on a 99% male course, it must be bad for both guys and girls being in such a totally male-dominated enviroment (not to mention just a bit stinky).

        Maybe if

        • Re:Interesting Demographics (Score:2, Funny)

          by Anonymous Coward
          Maybe if they got more woman doing Computer Science (in particular open source projects) then things like Linux and Pearl wouldn't be so insanely and unnecessarily over-cryptic.

          Are you kidding me???

          Exception stack by a male:

          javax.servlet.ServletException: InvocationTargetException:
          javax.security.cert.Ce rtificateException: X.509 not found
          at org.infohazard.maverick.ctl.Throwaway.perform(Thro waway.java:58)
          at
          org.infohazard.maverick.flow.ThrowawayCon

    • I'm a woman in CS (Score:3, Informative)

      by dptalia ( 804960 )
      And with the exception of one job, I've always been the only woman on the programming team. I even had an employer ask me if I was okay with being the only woman. My response: "And this differs from the past 10 years how?"

      At college most of the women went into chemical engineering, or varients (geological, biological, and there was one other which I can't remember). I don't know why more women don't care to program, but low stats for women doesn't surprise me a bit.

      • "I even had an employer ask me if I was okay with being the only woman."

        You insensitive clod! He was offering to cross dress publicly, so you would feel less lonely. He was coming out of the closet for you!

        On a more serious note, back when I was in engineering school, my graduating class of 135 had 9 women. I was told the Industrial Engineering and Civil Engineering departments had the most women, at around 15%. Certainly those are the specialties I where find the most women working in industry.

      • I've noticed the same thing at my university, in most of the more "technical" subjects (apart from biological natural sciences which has a large female contingent). The conclusion I've come to is that some part of Western cultural brainwashing trains girls to be less obsessive than guys. I have no firm idea why this should be, although it makes a sort of sense if you accept "man get food, woman clean home" as the most common situation a few years back. The man would need to specialise (see Hobbes et al) and
    • The shop I work in is primarily COBOL and we have a good percentage of women working here. Perhaps that skewed my perception.
      Dude that's simply because COBOL is a gay language. Women like to talk to it as it seems to understand them.

    • I used to be a COBOL programmer and the men on my team were outnumbered by the women. Since I've switched over to newer technologies, women are nowhere to be found.

  • Man look at the names (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Crowhead ( 577505 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:31PM (#13875679)
    It's like a "Who's Who" list of who's not American.

  • Google pays MCDONALD'S wages (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Work Account ( 900793 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:31PM (#13875681) Journal
    $4500 for a summer of work ->

    Summer = 12 weeks

    1 work week = 40 hours

    Total = 480 hours per summer

    BEFORE taxes, this is $9.30 / hour.

    I can make more at McDonald's especially considering meals are discounted 75%.
    • You just had to complete a project during the summer. It doesn't mean you've worked 40 hours on it. You simply had to meet the deliverable. Some people got paid considerably more than 9.30$/hour, and have a much better experience to put on their CV than "flipped burgers for 4 months".
    • Your logic is flawed.

      Where else can you earn $9.30/hour for contributing to an open source project? And who benefits from it? Why should google pay them more than $9.30 an hour when there are no other offers on the table?

    • Re:Google pays MCDONALD'S wages (Score:5, Funny)

      by schon ( 31600 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:42PM (#13875803)
      I can make more at McDonald's

      Wow, McDonalds is hiring coders?

      especially considering meals are discounted 75%.

      Yeah, but the downside is that it's McDonalds "food".
    • How many McDonald's workers get to work on a project of their chosing, on the hours of their choice, having control of how they do it and not having a high-strung highschool dropout bitching about drive-through time averages being 5s over the target time?
    • That's 5 times what a farmer makes playing WoW.
      For someone with the necessary skills outside North America that would be a decent amount of money. Plus, this is something that a person could use to supplement an existing job by working on it in their off hours.

      Not everyone needs to make 100k a year for SUV payments and cable.

    • Re:Google pays MCDONALD'S wages (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Beatbyte ( 163694 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @06:00PM (#13876012) Homepage
      How much would you sacrifice to get experience, build your reputation, and have Google on your resume?

    • Re:Google pays MCDONALD'S wages (Score:4, Insightful)

      by HavokDevNull ( 99801 ) <ericNO@SPAMlinuxsystems.net> on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @06:13PM (#13876105) Homepage Journal
      Your assuming everyone is from the USA or EU no?

      India
      GDP per capita $480
      Unemployment rate 8.8%
      Labor force 406 million
      Population below the poverty line 25%
      Typical salary for a programmer $8,000 year = $4.16 an hour

      source http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.02/india_pr. html [wired.com]

      If I lived and was a programmer in India Google would be a good choice considering only two months of work!!!!

    • Bull. There was no requirement to work all summer long. I did about 3 weeks of full time work.

      $4500/120 = $37.50/hour. I'd say I'm happy with that. The trick was to come up with an innovative idea that didn't require too much coding. Of course if your proposal was to write a MS Windows clone in COBOL then you've got other problems.

    • Where in Zeus's name did you get your 40 hours/week number from?

      I would say I spent about 150 hours on my project. That puts me at around $30/hour before taxes.

      There is no time requirement. You propose a project. If it gets accepted, you spend however long it takes to get it done. At your leisure. Whenever you want.

      And I'd like fries with that, please.

    • Your assumption compares a a 9 to 5 job 5 days a week (intern) with a part time/spare time, do it at your own pace, project kind of assignment.
    • Boo hoo, most philanthropic internships are unpaid you whiney little shit.

  • Hmmm, interesting projects (Score:5, Interesting)

    by totallygeek ( 263191 ) <sellis@totallygeek.com> on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:35PM (#13875733) Homepage
    • Ivan Barrera A, Chile: Bandwidth Limiter For Apache - When a user starts downloading something, the data goes through the mod. If there is a bandwidth limit, then the mod will start "splitting" the data into smaller pieces. Then it will start sending each piece with a small delay (less than 1 sec) between each piece, thus, reducing the speed the user downloads. This is useful for small web-hosting servers with limited outbound bandwidth (i.e. ADSLs customers).

      I don't even have that limited of bandwidth and I would like to see this mod in production. Very needed code IMHO.

    • csaba, Hungary - Fuse / BSD / Network mount via SSH

      This is what I have been waiting for since the dawn of time. Well, not that long, but I have always wondered when I would be able to mount remote file systems via secure shell.



  • Other MozDev projects: (Score:5, Informative)

    by MTO_B. ( 814477 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @05:38PM (#13875759) Homepage
    The list of projects says "Please note that this page contains a sampling and not a complete listing of the projects done as part of the Summer of Code."

    The MozDev (related to Mozilla / Firefox) projects missing from the list are:

    - Cockatoo: SIP phone extension for Mozilla Thunderbird
    http://cockatoo.mozdev.org/ [mozdev.org]

    - Firepuddle: BitTorrent P2P for Mozilla
    http://firepuddle.mozdev.org/ [mozdev.org]

    - Event Loger (An advanced macro and testcase creation tool for Firefox)
    http://eventlogger.mozdev.org/ [mozdev.org]

    - Muzzled: graphical theme builder for mozilla
    http://muzzled.mozdev.org/ [mozdev.org]

    - Vietnamese translation of Firefox
    http://vi.mozdev.org/ [mozdev.org]

  • T-Shirts? (Score:5, Funny)

    by The Rizz ( 1319 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @06:00PM (#13876005)
    "Now we just have to wait for the T-shirts..."

    "I coded open-source software all summer, and all I got was $4500 and this lousy T-shirt" ??

  • mod_smtpd (?) (Score:3, Funny)

    by pergamon ( 4359 ) on Tuesday October 25, 2005 @06:11PM (#13876093) Homepage
    So I noticed mod_smtpd [apache.org] in there.

    Is there some corollary to the well known quote like "Every daemon attempts to expand until it can schlep mail" that I'm not aware of?
  • The Google Summer of Code fitted in with northern hemisphere student
    timetables.. what about Southern Hemisphere students?

    - South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Indonesia, Brazil, New Zealand,
    and Brazil (no particular order, and by no means exclusive) are some of the
    countries that would have students that could participate.

    Maybe Canonical/Ubuntu could run a Southern Hemisphere Summer of Code?
    or, in the spirit of open source and open markets, southern hemisphere students
    can hook into Ubuntu's bounty program.
  • Having worked for the largest commercial software writer in my sector for a decade, writing a chuck of code to the point where is all compiles and runs is only 1/3 of the work at best. Refining to team and customer sasitifaction, removing bugs. support and marketing can easily be 60-80% of the work. Especially if you work in teams with people of different specialties.

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