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Google Summer of Code Results

Posted by Zonk on Tue Oct 25, 2005 04:21 PM
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Nattfodd writes "Almost two months after the projects, deadline, partial (but fairly complete) results of Google Summer of Code are here. The completion rate of projects (and thus payment of the students) was approximately 90%, which would certainly qualify for a 'huge success' of the operation. Summer of Code paid more than 400 students of 49 countries to spend their summer helping open-source projects, 4500$ on completion. Now we just have to wait for the T-shirts..."
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Stony Stevenson alerts us to news that Google is hinting at the possibility of an Australian version of the Summer of Code program. We've discussed the results of the Summer of Code program in the past. Quoting iTnews: "The global program had attracted students from 90 countries around the world, including Australia, said Hawthorn. But as the timing clashed with winter term time in the southern hemisphere, it's been tough for local students to participate. Stopping short of confirming the program, Hawthorn said Google is looking into finding the human resources - as opposed to the financial resources - to make it happen."
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  • Nice idea, poor pay (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 25 2005, @04:23PM (#13875579)
    Its a nice thing for Google to try to do, but who were they really targeting at that pay range? A decent summer internship in CS pays 2-4 times that much.
  • How are these programmers immortalized? I mean, beyond placing that on a resume. Does Google use this as a sort of co-op system for hiring future talent?
    • How are these programmers immortalized?

      Well, obviously Google will now be paying teachers to have future generations of school children memorize and recite by heart the complete list of contributing programmers!

      We cannot allow the names of these brave souls who laboured so hard for several months to be lost in the sands of time. Their memory shall be passed on from generation to generation for time immortal.

  • No VB? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 25 2005, @04:25PM (#13875594)
    They didn't accept my VB entry?!
    • They didn't accept my VB entry?!

      You should have done like the winners did - use google to cheat.

      VB means you must have cheated using MSN Search, not Google Search! You might as well have told them you're going dressed up as Steve Balmer for Hallowe'en (don't forget the chair :-)

  • How about a winter of code? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 25 2005, @04:25PM (#13875598)
    That was sucessful. Lets follow it up with a winter of code, and give the OSS world a christmas present
  • Is 400 bigger than a Google?

  • dollars (Score:3, Funny)

    by termos (634980) on Tuesday October 25 2005, @04:26PM (#13875620) Homepage
    $4500. No problem.

  • Good idea! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Mysticalfruit (533341) on Tuesday October 25 2005, @04:27PM (#13875626) Journal
    Get the next iteration of programmers comfortable with their tools and API's.

    I'm suspecting the future is going to smell like AJAX...

    Also, while barely literate, I'm pretty sure that dollar sign goes before the ammount...

    • ... depends on what part of the world you're in ...

      Also, when is the last time you SAID "dollars forty-five hundred"? Of course, if you're going around as Yoda on Hallowe'en, "dollars forty-five hundred" might just be the way you'd speak ...

  • So much publicity and all you win is... (Score:4, Funny)

    by TarrySingh (916400) on Tuesday October 25 2005, @04:27PM (#13875627) Homepage
    4500$!...geez!

  • Other Results: (Score:5, Funny)

    by Quaoar (614366) on Tuesday October 25 2005, @04:27PM (#13875633)
    Percentage of summer of code participants getting laid: 0%

  • Interesting Demographics (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mikesmind (689651) on Tuesday October 25 2005, @04:28PM (#13875642) Homepage
    I scanned through the list and am intrigued by the demographics. I was surprised that there weren't a few more women. I always knew that programming was dominated by men, but I didn't realize it would be that far skewed. The shop I work in is primarily COBOL and we have a good percentage of women working here. Perhaps that skewed my perception.
    • Have you ever been involved in a CS or Computer Engineering program at a University? It varies, of course, but when I went to school for Computer Engineering in 1995, there was ONE woman in the entire department. From hanging out in the CS building, it seemed like they were easily 95% men too.

      There has been a lot of effort recently to try and get more girls interested in math and science in the pre-college years, but there has only been limited success. There remains a tremendous disparity in the number

    • Re:Interesting Demographics (Score:5, Interesting)

      by university chica (729309) on Tuesday October 25 2005, @04:42PM (#13875798)
      I'm a senior in computer science at a university that has a total of 17000 students. I'm also the only female student in my graduating class. Conservatively, I'd say there are maybe 7 other female students in CS who've made it to their junior year. CS loses 99% of female students, and it's half way through the semester, so we may have lost a couple more. For a little perspective... there are over 100 guys in their junior or senior year. I don't understand it. I mean, who wouldn't want to spend their entire scholastic career surrounded by a collection of the geekiest men the university has to offer?
      • I will continue to quote my CS professor Max "Mad Max" Mintz [upenn.edu] until he is no longer relevant:
        Some people say that the girls don't like computer science, but I don't think that's true. I think girls don't like the boys in computer science.
        I think that'll be forever. The guy sitting in front of me in the lecture immediately responded, "Hey! I resemble that remark!"
    • And with the exception of one job, I've always been the only woman on the programming team. I even had an employer ask me if I was okay with being the only woman. My response: "And this differs from the past 10 years how?"

      At college most of the women went into chemical engineering, or varients (geological, biological, and there was one other which I can't remember). I don't know why more women don't care to program, but low stats for women doesn't surprise me a bit.

    • The shop I work in is primarily COBOL and we have a good percentage of women working here. Perhaps that skewed my perception.
      Dude that's simply because COBOL is a gay language. Women like to talk to it as it seems to understand them.

  • Man look at the names (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Crowhead (577505) on Tuesday October 25 2005, @04:31PM (#13875679)
    It's like a "Who's Who" list of who's not American.

  • Google pays MCDONALD'S wages (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Work Account (900793) on Tuesday October 25 2005, @04:31PM (#13875681) Journal
    $4500 for a summer of work ->

    Summer = 12 weeks

    1 work week = 40 hours

    Total = 480 hours per summer

    BEFORE taxes, this is $9.30 / hour.

    I can make more at McDonald's especially considering meals are discounted 75%.
    • You just had to complete a project during the summer. It doesn't mean you've worked 40 hours on it. You simply had to meet the deliverable. Some people got paid considerably more than 9.30$/hour, and have a much better experience to put on their CV than "flipped burgers for 4 months".

        • Re:Some got paid considerably LESS than $9.30/hour (Score:5, Insightful)

          by kebes (861706) on Tuesday October 25 2005, @04:53PM (#13875940) Journal
          Math may not lie, but people can misrepresent what's going on.

          Google didn't pay these people anything. Rather, it provided grants/scholarships to people interested in working on open source code. People (coders and/or organizations) submitted proposals for ideas they wanted to work on, and Google selected some worthy ones that they would give extra money to, so as to encourage students to spend time doing some open-source coding.

          Google was not hiring these people to work on specific projects that get added to the portfolio of Google products. Everyone involved could have turned down the grant money if they had a better offer. But for these students, who would have likely worked on these (or other) open-source projects over the summer anyway (to bolster their CV and/or because it's fun), the grant was probably a welcome bonus.

          Everyone benefits from the open-source software that has been produced by these (partially funded) volunteers. Remember that the people working on these projects were contributing to open-source projects that are, by and large, non-commercial. That is, the summer-of-code people got $4500, whereas everyone else working on the project got $0. They are doing it because they want to. It is not a (traditional) job.
        • So the average GSoC participant worked on their project 40 hours a week? Can I see where you got these statistics please?

          Even if you're right...

          $9/hr is 75% (thats (9.00-5.15)/5.15*100% ) increase over minimum wage. Maybe to you that is "scant" more than minimum wage. But to someone who's never had a job or has only had minimum wage type jobs, it's not scant at all.

          You say mathematics don't lie. However, I fail to see you actaully use any mathematics to prove your point.

          Also it seems you left out a few
    • Your logic is flawed.

      Where else can you earn $9.30/hour for contributing to an open source project? And who benefits from it? Why should google pay them more than $9.30 an hour when there are no other offers on the table?

    • Re:Google pays MCDONALD'S wages (Score:5, Funny)

      by schon (31600) on Tuesday October 25 2005, @04:42PM (#13875803) Homepage
      I can make more at McDonald's

      Wow, McDonalds is hiring coders?

      especially considering meals are discounted 75%.

      Yeah, but the downside is that it's McDonalds "food".
        • On the off chance that you're not a troll, I'll respond here.

          The point here is that software programming is more complex than flipping burgers.

          No, the point is that flipping burgers for a fast-food chain is in no way comparable to being paid to do something you would already be doing, rather than having to give up that thing you love to go work in a fast-food joint.

          It is an insult that they even throw a paltry couple thousand at these guys who are doing real, complex engineering of software.

          So, rather than
        • It's amazing that google gives away 2 million dollars to benefit the open source community and you complain because it wasn't enough.
          The Summer of Code wasn't a job. Google did not higher people to write code for them and play them only $9/hour.
          Google instead offered students a chance to do some work with real OSS applications and to work with people who have experience developing with the OSS applications. They also gave each person who finished their project $4500 and $500 to the mentor (I think the m
    • How many McDonald's workers get to work on a project of their chosing, on the hours of their choice, having control of how they do it and not having a high-strung highschool dropout bitching about drive-through time averages being 5s over the target time?
    • That's 5 times what a farmer makes playing WoW.
      For someone with the necessary skills outside North America that would be a decent amount of money. Plus, this is something that a person could use to supplement an existing job by working on it in their off hours.

      Not everyone needs to make 100k a year for SUV payments and cable.

    • Re:Google pays MCDONALD'S wages (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Beatbyte (163694) on Tuesday October 25 2005, @05:00PM (#13876012) Homepage
      How much would you sacrifice to get experience, build your reputation, and have Google on your resume?
    • Your assuming everyone is from the USA or EU no?

      India
      GDP per capita $480
      Unemployment rate 8.8%
      Labor force 406 million
      Population below the poverty line 25%
      Typical salary for a programmer $8,000 year = $4.16 an hour

      source http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.02/india_pr. html [wired.com]

      If I lived and was a programmer in India Google would be a good choice considering only two months of work!!!!

    • Bull. There was no requirement to work all summer long. I did about 3 weeks of full time work.

      $4500/120 = $37.50/hour. I'd say I'm happy with that. The trick was to come up with an innovative idea that didn't require too much coding. Of course if your proposal was to write a MS Windows clone in COBOL then you've got other problems.

  • Hmmm, interesting projects (Score:5, Interesting)

    by totallygeek (263191) on Tuesday October 25 2005, @04:35PM (#13875733) Homepage
    • Ivan Barrera A, Chile: Bandwidth Limiter For Apache - When a user starts downloading something, the data goes through the mod. If there is a bandwidth limit, then the mod will start "splitting" the data into smaller pieces. Then it will start sending each piece with a small delay (less than 1 sec) between each piece, thus, reducing the speed the user downloads. This is useful for small web-hosting servers with limited outbound bandwidth (i.e. ADSLs customers).

      I don't even have that limited of bandwidth and I would like to see this mod in production. Very needed code IMHO.

    • csaba, Hungary - Fuse / BSD / Network mount via SSH

      This is what I have been waiting for since the dawn of time. Well, not that long, but I have always wondered when I would be able to mount remote file systems via secure shell.



  • Other MozDev projects: (Score:5, Informative)

    by MTO_B. (814477) on Tuesday October 25 2005, @04:38PM (#13875759) Homepage
    The list of projects says "Please note that this page contains a sampling and not a complete listing of the projects done as part of the Summer of Code."

    The MozDev (related to Mozilla / Firefox) projects missing from the list are:

    - Cockatoo: SIP phone extension for Mozilla Thunderbird
    http://cockatoo.mozdev.org/ [mozdev.org]

    - Firepuddle: BitTorrent P2P for Mozilla
    http://firepuddle.mozdev.org/ [mozdev.org]

    - Event Loger (An advanced macro and testcase creation tool for Firefox)
    http://eventlogger.mozdev.org/ [mozdev.org]

    - Muzzled: graphical theme builder for mozilla
    http://muzzled.mozdev.org/ [mozdev.org]

    - Vietnamese translation of Firefox
    http://vi.mozdev.org/ [mozdev.org]

  • T-Shirts? (Score:5, Funny)

    by The Rizz (1319) on Tuesday October 25 2005, @05:00PM (#13876005)
    "Now we just have to wait for the T-shirts..."

    "I coded open-source software all summer, and all I got was $4500 and this lousy T-shirt" ??

  • mod_smtpd (?) (Score:3, Funny)

    by pergamon (4359) on Tuesday October 25 2005, @05:11PM (#13876093) Homepage
    So I noticed mod_smtpd [apache.org] in there.

    Is there some corollary to the well known quote like "Every daemon attempts to expand until it can schlep mail" that I'm not aware of?
    • It looked like a dupe to me too, and both posted by Zonk even.

      But, the first posting was about the end of the "Summer of Code". This posting was a link to Google and the results of the program.
    • *don't feed the trolls, don't feed the trolls*... bah. I'll bite and reply.

      If you remember anything about the article from 6 weeks ago that you posted a link to, then you would remember that it was extremely thin as far as details went. Did you look at many of the projects when it was "officially over"? If you had, you would remember that a quite a number of them hadn't turned in their final versions yet, nor had they turned in their final reports (and if they had finished/turned in the report, then it wasn't available yet for public access, it had only been turned into their project supervisors).

      If you went to college, then maybe you remember that college students have a "habit" of turning stuff in at or after the deadline? The SOC was no different. That's why you don't get your grade results until a week or two *after* it's over. It takes time to figure out what-the-heck-happened during the flurry that was the deadline.

      You would have preferred this in a slashback then? Perhaps -- I for one was glad to see this, and I look forward to more updates as this list is completed. It will be good to see some more information about the results of the SOC, and what can be changed to improve it in the future.

      There was plenty of new information in this new article, after having read both of them, I frankly don't see what you're griping about.

      Next time, complain about a legitimate dupe. If things are as bad as you say they are, then you should have no trouble finding a real one.

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