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The Best of Web 2.0

Posted by Zonk on Fri Feb 24, 2006 06:46 PM
from the so-shiny-and-useable dept.
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Fennie writes "Designtechnica has published their 2006 Best of Web 2.0 list. Some of the sites include Flickr.com, Vimeo.com and Writeboard.com. From the piece: 'The next generation of the web is here! With new kinds of desktop-like applications being released left and right, how will you know where to go and what to use? That's why we're here: To show you the best of Web 2.0 sites that you can get the most out of. No matter the task, video, audio, or photos, we have a site that works great for what you want to do and uses all the great features of Web 2.0 technology.'"
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  • Worst Piece of Jargon (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ARRRLovin (807926) on Friday February 24 2006, @06:49PM (#14797559)
    1) Web 2.0

  • *tweet*, flag on the play. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Tackhead (54550) on Friday February 24 2006, @06:54PM (#14797583)
    > Designtechnica has published their 2006 Best of Web 2.0 list. Some of the sites include Flicker.com,

    Attention! Article submitter is guilty of W2C (Web 2.0 Consortium) standards violation. "Flickr", not "Flicker". If a domain doesn't end in ".us" and spell an English word, you must drop a vowel.

    We realize you correctly linked to flickr.com, and we're not trying to be offici.ous; we're just asking that you use a Web-2.0-compliant spelling-checkr.

    • we're not trying to be offici.ous

      Clippy sez: "Did you mean officio.us [officio.us]?"

      • Please tell me you didn't _just_ go and register that...

        domain propagation is pretty fast these days.
      • > > we're not trying to be offici.ous
        >
        > Clippy sez: "Did you mean officio.us [officio.us]?"

        Yeah, but now that you mention it, Clippy, I'd like to:

        • Register officio.us for domainsquatting purposes
        • Live just long enough to be there when they cut off the heads of the GoDaddy.com marketing department and stick them on pikes, as a reminder to the next ten generations that some 30-second spots come at too high a price.
        • And whisper into their lifeless ears... "don't show me that commercial

    • Verdict from the W3C (Score:5, Interesting)

      by iamlucky13 (795185) on Friday February 24 2006, @09:37PM (#14798300)

      Ok, validation isn't everything, and passing the validator is not 100% confirmation that your page is valid, but just for kicks (and to see if the best of web 2.0 passes the basics of web 1.0), let's pass their list through the W3C's HTML Validator and see what we get (links go to the validator results

      Photos
      Flickr.com [w3.org] - HTML 4.01 Transitional - 15 errors.
      No need to use end tags if you don't use a start tag. Meta Keywords...does anyone still pay attention to those?

      Video
      vimeo.com [w3.org] - HTML 4.01 Transitional - 41 errors.
      Use your alt attributes and remember that td's should be nested inside tr's.

      Social Bookmarking
      Del.icio.us [w3.org] - XHTML 1.0 Strict - 21 errors.
      Actually a decent attempt. They went with a strict declaration and didn't use tables for layout.

      Digg [w3.org] - XHTML 1.0 Transitional - 3 errors
      Really close. Fix those links and and get rid of that "disabled" attribute. Where'd they find that one?

      Newreaders/RSS
      www.bloglines.com [w3.org] - XHTML 1.0 Transitional - 137 errors.
      Yikes. Yes I think the colspan attribute is cool, too, but not that cool. Give it a rest.

      Start Pages
      www.netvibes.com [w3.org] - XHTML 1.0 Strict - 13 errors
      They were doing so well with the strict declaration...but then that rotten cellpadding attribute snuck in...and width...and border.

      Collaboration/Word Processors
      www.writeboard.com [w3.org] - XHTML 1.0 Transitional - 12 errors
      Not bad. Time to advance to Strict, I think.

      Maps/Directions
      Google Maps [w3.org] - XHTML 1.0 Strict - 101 errors
      Google! How could you?!? Of all the sites to use deprecated elements under a Strict declaration! I feel betrayed.

      Local Directories
      Google Local [google.com] - Not Found The requested URL /local/ was not found on this server

      Chat/IM
      Meebo [w3.org] - DOCTYPE DECLARATION was not recognized or missing - 2 errors
      Come on. That's sooo 1990's. Actually, it gave me a declaration, so perhaps its malformed or they don't give one to robots.

      Buzzword Sites - What? Like I could let a name like Design Technica off that easy.
      Design Technica [w3.org] - This Page is not valid (no Doctype found)! - 38 errors
      Ouch! Same story. I see one in the source, but the validator doesn't accept it. Tables

      Hmmm...everybody tried xhtml except designtechnica and meebo. Targeting mobile browsers, I guess? Nobody passed. There were a few non-table-based layouts, but that was offset by a lot of use of deprecated elements. It looks like web 2.0 is about as ready as IE 7.
      • Wrong validator. Try this one [0validator.com].
      • Alot of Web 2.0 websites allow for user contributed content. And most if not all Web 2.0 websites run from a coded server side back-end.

        Both of these things make it difficult to ensure that every single (X)HTML element on your website will validate after it's been running for a while...and when you do discover bugs that break the standard it's a pain to change everything.

        Take for example Slashdot, your comment, inclusive of HTML, is going to be stored in a TEXT or BLOB field and Perl filters are applied to

  • they forgot the True Incarnation of web 2.0 [parm.net], the embodyment of what "Web 2.0" means, the body and soul of the movement.

  • I'd be more interested.. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Mowie_X (600765) on Friday February 24 2006, @06:57PM (#14797598) Homepage
    ..in a best of developer technology list..
    Stuff like AJAX, .NET Fx, Rails that is really making developing for the web much more fun.

  • People use these? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by AuMatar (183847) on Friday February 24 2006, @06:58PM (#14797603)
    Total number of these webpages I've ever used.... 1, Google Maps.
    Total number of these webpages that even remotely serve a need.... 2, Google Maps and maybe Google Local.

    And for directions, google is easily beaten by Rand-Mcnally. Only the satelite maps feature gives it a good use.

    So whats all the hype for? If I take a photo, I don't want it indexed to the world- I send it to the 2-3 people who might give a shit. Same with video. Back when I used IM (before all my friends stopped using it) I used Trillian to the same effect as they use Meebo, with awesome side features (chat logs). I sure as hell don't want my bookmarks searchable to the world.

    Looks more like a set of pop favorites for the under 20 crowd than it does actually useful sites.
    • Am I just paranoid? Why would I enter my IM account info to a beta web site I know nothing about, like meebo.com?

    • If I take a photo, I don't want it indexed to the world- I send it to the 2-3 people who might give a shit.

      And just because YOU aren't interested in things like Flickr, nobody else can or should be either?

      • I used IM for one purpose- to keep track on existing friends. Not to chat with random people on the web. As my friends spent less and less time on it due to rl, so did I. Eventually it hit the point where I'd see someone on once a week, and I just uninstalled the damn thing.
        • Meanwhile, other people still use IM as a means of communication. I don't think it's the second coming or whatever, but Meebo has been a nice thing to have in the past weeks on third-party computers I just didn't want to clutter with Miranda or Trillian. Like at work, I can just log into Meebo when I need to talk to an acquaintance. The alternative is ICQ2Go (or whatever it's called), but Meebo is just more lightweight and elegant.
      • If I had mod points, you'd get 'em. I've been skimming these comments, and it seems like one curmudgeon after another.

        You'd think Slashdot would be full of people interested in innovation, not the other way around, but it's all stuff like:

        "We had usenet, and we liked it! What's this RSS crap!

        "We could write personal diaries! Of course we had to hand-code the HTML, including all the links, and we couldn't do it from anywhere in the world just by loggin in from a web browser, we had to telnet onto the serv

        • Re:People use these? QWZX (Score:5, Insightful)

          by CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) on Friday February 24 2006, @08:02PM (#14797955) Journal
          You'd think Slashdot would be full of people interested in innovation, not the other way around

          For the most part people here are VERY interested in technological innovation. Problem is, "Web 2.0" is at least decade old technology. You'll find here people aren't too excited about marketing droids going on and on about faux innovation, however any real innovation is another story.
        • Slashdot would be full of people interested in innovation

          This article isn't about innovation. It's about buzzword fanaticism and marketers having wet dreams over The Next Big Thing without realizing that those techniques have been around for years.

  • AJAXify (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MyNymWasTaken (879908) on Friday February 24 2006, @06:59PM (#14797606)
    Does a boring, old "Web 1.0" site become an Exciting, Hip, New & Improved Web 2.0 site just by using a little CSS & the XMLHttpRequest, er... sorry..., AJAX?

  • Digg... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Eightyford (893696) on Friday February 24 2006, @07:06PM (#14797637) Homepage
    Just don't say Digg! It's like reading Slashdot with the filter set at -1. Only worse.
    • Dolemite sez.. Digg! Web 2.0!

    • Re:Digg... (Score:3, Insightful)

      by shish (588640)
      But digg is the perfect example of web 2.0 -- it's just like web 1.0, but the useful content has been replaced with pretty CSS, AJAX tricks, and gradient filled rounded rectangles!

      Even the community around it is very web 2.0 -- it encourages participation from all, no matter how unskilled or ignorant of the subject at hand~

      Come to think of it, I think Web 2.0 is a metaphor for the modern world :(

  • Web 2.0? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by jd (1658) <imipak.yahoo@com> on Friday February 24 2006, @07:06PM (#14797638) Homepage Journal
    I never use something that has a version number ending in .0! That's always the buggy release. Besides, I've yet to hear of a single "feature" of this purported 2.0 that wasn't being done with HyperCard and couldn't have been done on Ted Nielson's Xanadu (if anyone had developed it). I see no reason to dignify bugfixes with a change in the major version number.


    "But what about blogs?" What about them? People were writing diaries on USENET long before the CERN webserver ever came out. (Was CERN Web 0.0? And would NCSA or Apache be considered 1.0?) Cross-referencing and searches existed in Gopher and WAIS.


    "Dynamic HTML?" There were perl scripts for emedding msql queries (not MySQL - msql) into web pages long before anyone had imagined you'd be doing anything other than CGI and many years before HTML 3 came out. Indeed, if you want merely programmable web pages (not database-generated pages) then the mere existance of CGI is enough.


    "User-defined web pages" Oracle's "Powerbrowser" included a built-in web server which could serve a limited number of pages to external users. That was back in 1996, if I recall correctly.


    Let me know when something worthy of a "Web 2.0" comes out, and THEN I'll pay attention.

  • This is the best? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SJasperson (811166) on Friday February 24 2006, @07:14PM (#14797685)
    I've been forced to use Writeboard as part of our corporate Basecamp installation. It's got to be the least-functional wiki implementation out there, with very few formatting choices, almost no documentation, and slow response time. Oh, but wait, it comes from a sexy Web 2.0 company, so it must be good. There are better wikis (almost all of them), better AJAXified word processors (Writely), better collaborative tools that let you choose between wiki markup and WYSIWYG (JotSpot), so how did this dog get on the list? Perhaps the writers hang out at the same trendy coffeehouses chortling over their Web 2.0 antics...

  • Web 2.0 label technology-centric, not user-centric (Score:3, Insightful)

    by lazzaro (29860) on Friday February 24 2006, @07:42PM (#14797854) Homepage

    I was surprised to see YouTube didn't make the list -- it's the sort of unfiltered snapshot of the world you rarely see on the Internet anymore. It reminds me of 80's-era Usenet but for movies.

    Then I realized that sinces its movie delivery is Flash based, and its UI is AJAX-free, it probably doesn't qualify as "Web 2.0" in their book ...

    Which made me realize that it's really a technology centric label and not a user-centric one.

  • Web 2.0 is history (Score:3, Interesting)

    by wrmrxxx (696969) on Friday February 24 2006, @08:03PM (#14797959)
    Web 3.0 is what the cool kids are doing now: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/web3point0 [alistapart.com]

  • Wake me up when Client/SOA hits (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Baldrson (78598) * on Friday February 24 2006, @08:14PM (#14798014) Homepage Journal
    Harry Fuecks has an insightful article on the two kinds of AJAX [sitepoint.com] "HTML++" and "Client/SOA":
    HTML++

    AJAX is used to enhance existing HTML forms / user interaction but the fundamental paradigm is still the same as "normal" web applications. Some key smells of this style;

    1. Page reloads still happen frequently
    2. It's possible (if you make the effort) to degrade gracefully to non-supporting browsers / browsers with JS turned off.
    3. Session state still resides on the server.

    In practice this is what everyone's doing right now, with varying degrees of success.

    ...

    Client / SOA...

    Some of the key smells with Client / SOA;

    1. Page reloads are rare, if at all. The application tends to run in a single browser window.
    2. It's practically impossible to degrade gracefully, without maintaining seperate code bases.
    3. Session state is largely handled by the client.
    4. Javascript and the browser are acting as a runtime in the same sense as the Java or .NET runtime.
    5. It's going to require specialist developers
    I don't think Web 2.0 is going to get really interesting until Client/SOA hits.
      • Not true. Just finished a "Client/SOA"-style app with no page reloads that fully supports back/forward navigation and bookmarking. I'll spare you the technical details, but while it's certainly not an ideal situation, it's not "impossible" by a long shot.

        Of course, now the question becomes: if you're building a desktop-like application for the web, why do you even WANT back and forward buttons to function? Does anybody ever complain that Outlook or Evolution don't have back and forward buttons to go back

  • 30 Boxes (Score:4, Interesting)

    by The Ape With No Name (213531) on Friday February 24 2006, @08:16PM (#14798017) Homepage
    http://30boxes.com/index.php [30boxes.com]
    • I wanted to give you mod points, but I will respond to you instead. (since its an either or proposition, and this stuff interests me.) 30 Boxes really is great, My girlfriend can keep me organized by updating her calender and having it reflect on my own, then using the RSS reader to put it on my google/ig page and its perfect. It needs a lot of work, but its fairly robust already, and advancing quickly. Its nothing revolutionary, just good execution.

      There were some of these "2.0" applications I hadn't t

  • All you need to know about Web 2.0... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Ingolfke (515826) on Friday February 24 2006, @08:24PM (#14798046) Journal
    can be found here [somethingawful.com]
  • I mean, if you haven't tried StumbleUpon [stumbleupon.com] yet, with its fantastic Firefox extension, you haven't seen nothing yet. Del.icio.us is a very poor design in comparison.

  • Best of Pastel-Shaded Web Pages (Score:3, Funny)

    by Bazman (4849) on Saturday February 25 2006, @03:46AM (#14799328) Journal
    Can someone do a Web2.0 app with really bright saturated colours? Please!!
    • You know I never even heard of web 2.0 until a few months ago on slashdot. I asked plainly wtf is web2.0?

      The response was a website with buzzwords and nothing more. I heard its the new thing today in software development. Just throw buzzwords and let the salesman tell the user what your product actually does.

      I dunno.

      Its silly and I agree. At least the hype with ruby on rails, or some other new thing is that its an actual product. Not a vague concept blown out of proportions. A site is just a site as far as
    • Web 2.0 is just a way to bring investers back. That is it. The people who came up with it know this, everyone else just blindly says "it's better" because it's 2.0
    • Dot Com Bubble 2.0
    • I can't speak for the rest, but I'm working very hard to make sure that porn is searchable in ways once thought impossible. This isn't just some silly tagging scheme folks, if you like, you'll be able to write SQL queries to return only those pictures where the girls legs are spread more than 45deg...

      (For the love of god, will you let us use a few goddamn entities Taco? & deg; would be nice, you know...)
    • I was finally curious enough about what exactly Web 2.0 is to do a google search. Here's a great article from O'Reilly [oreillynet.com] that explains it all. It's a very interesting read. Here are some attributes that are part of Web 2.0 offerings:
      • Services, not packaged software, with cost-effective scalability
      • Control over unique, hard-to-recreate data sources that get richer as more people use them
      • Trusting users as co-developers
      • Harnessing collective intelligence
      • Leveraging the long tail through custom

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