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HP Announces Support For MySQL, JBoss 139
Chroniton writes "According to InternetNews.com: 'HP stepped up its commitment to open source software Monday by pledging to offer and support the MySQL database server and JBoss application server software in its servers' - it's also mentioned: 'The deal is truly symbiotic. While MySQL and JBoss get backing from a technology driver such as HP, HP gets the added credibility of being cozy with open source, a label many enterprises and HP rivals, such as IBM and Dell, are working toward.'"
IBM... (Score:5, Interesting)
IBM is already open source friendly. Dell isn't open source friendly and doesn't seem to be trying either.
Re:IBM... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:IBM... (Score:3, Informative)
They do, in their business line of printers. Consumers don't really want stuff that will last forever, they want to have the latest and greatest of almost everything, not just computer hardware. Businesses want reliability and ROI.
> HP's screwed us before with their DVD writers and other products...
I was curious about this so I checked to see if you can use open source tools to write to HP dvd
Re:IBM... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:IBM... (Score:2)
My last two HP experiences.
I bought HP's i100 DVD burner, thinking I could use it to build bootable ghost images for a collection of demo laptops. Boy was I wrong. Using a dozen brands of media, I found only a couple DVD drives that could even read the (data only) media, much less boot from one. They also claimed (in the website info, later removed) it could handle some other media types. For the update? They wanted $100
Re:IBM... (Score:2)
Re:IBM... (Score:2)
But having to upgrade the kernel to use a new driver is allright? Why should drivers come with the kernel anyway?
Re:IBM... (Score:2)
Errr... they don't. You just have to add in the driver. You don't even have to add it to the kernel to use it, and if you do choose to add it you don't even have to restart.
Re:IBM... (Score:2)
So to me looks that some drivers source come within the kernel or are in the source tree at least which doesn't make sense for a network card. And drivers who doesn't aren't even binary compatible between kernel versions. May be some Linux hacker could explain this
Re:IBM... (Score:1)
Re:IBM... (Score:1)
It figures an AC would say that: http://linux.dell.com/ [dell.com]
Re:IBM... (Score:3, Informative)
Just making a front on your website saying you support Linux doesn't make it so. I own a Dell Laptop, I've requested many times to have correct Linux drivers for my video card, Dell has not complied. If you had actually bothered to visit the Dell support forums for Linux you would have found a large group of unhappy and frustrated Linux users that had the misfortune of purchasing a Dell.
Good Day.
Re:IBM... (Score:1)
Re:IBM... (Score:1, Informative)
Re:IBM... (Score:3, Funny)
No they are not a software development company, so they are not
Re:IBM... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:IBM... (Score:2)
Call me when they start contributing to the code in a meaningful way
sure [hp.com]
Re:IBM... (Score:2)
Re:IBM... (Score:2)
On the desktop, however, they are at best luke warm towards open source. And funnily enough, their recent desktop systems also seem to have a problem running Microsoft's Virtual PC software as well.
Their Crawler is Killing Sites (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Their Crawler is Killing Sites (Score:2)
Re:Their Crawler is Killing Sites (Score:2)
% grep 15.219.201.69 access_log | wc -l
869
% grep 15.219.201.69 access_log | grep robot | wc -l
0
Re:Their Crawler is Killing Sites (Score:1, Redundant)
% grep IP access_log | wc -l
869
% grep IP access_log | grep robot | wc -l
0
This was one of the sites that was crawled, apparently there are at least a couple different HP addresses doing this. I'm not screaming DoS, but I am ranting that they should be paying attention to robots.txt.
Re:Their Crawler is Killing Sites (Score:1)
Re:Their Crawler is Killing Sites (Score:2, Interesting)
Why not put in a poison pill page that is not referenced in robots.txt and is linked with human readable text like "this is a link
PostgreSQL? (Score:5, Insightful)
Anyone know why MySQL as opposed to a more standards-compliant db like PG?
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:3, Insightful)
MySQL is practically a household name compared to Postgres.
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah just the other day my grandmother asked me to pass the MySQL at the dinner table. And I heard a knock at the door, and when I answered it there were three Jehova witnesses trying to convince me to upgrade to 4.x
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:1)
you have to live in some high density area
or they fear your neighbourhood
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:1)
You're right : Always 2 they are : a master and an apprentice !
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:2)
For the record, i use PostgreSQL.
Re: not flamebait (Score:1)
My question was asked honestly, but it seems some mods can't tell the difference, and one modded me a troll. oh well...
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:2)
Seriously. People moan about the same thing when it comes to Linux vs the BSDs. Why is Linux SO much more popular? Well, in the case of the database wars, MySQL is LGPL and Postgres is BSD licensed. It's just too similar a corelation to ignore.
My own sense of value says: If I were to contribute code/support/religious-zeal to a project, I would want t
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:5, Insightful)
With PG they're basically stuck trying to learn it themselves. RedHat would train HP, but RedHat doesn't want to be known for offerring PostgreSQL support since Oracle didn't like RedHat Database competition very much.
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:1)
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:2)
Fujitsu and Software Research Associates both fund PostgreSQL development in Japan and would make good partners for HP for a venture of this type -- but many of the knowedgable callcentre workers do not speak English (SRA). Fujitsu is making some inhouse modifications in the storage manager, it seems based on their questions, which would prevent an our of the box bundle.
Besides, (conjecturing) I'm wondering that Fujitsu doesn'
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:2)
Sorry, I should say why. PostgreSQL Inc. is great for small shops looking for knowledgable support via phone or email at a good price, but PG Inc. has their hands full with their
No, most of what Affilias requests is not tech support. PG Inc. writes Affilias a number of tools to enable them to do their work better and faster.
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:3, Informative)
It's difficult to partner with PG as there is not a controlling company.
I'm sorry, but I just disagree on this. While there is no one company to partner with financially, there certainly is a single controlling group known as the "PostgreSQL Global Development Group" or PGDG.
Much like the Apache Group, the PGDG is the group that's the head mofos in charge. Their website is developer.postgresql.org [postgresql.org]
Much like the Apache Group, the PGDG is made up of the key developers, each sponsored in one way or
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:2)
I'm guessing it's for buzzword-compliance. It wouldn't be much work for them to support, since it's so simple, and they just want to tick the "open source database" box. But the sort of people who buy HP-UX kit are more likely to want to run something like SAP/DB, an open source database that is truly industrial-grade, or PostgreSQL as you say.
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:3, Informative)
It's all in the name (Score:2)
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:5, Informative)
I'm well aware of many advantages that PostgreSQL offers over MySQL (e.g., nearly full SQL92 support, stored procedures in many languages, "object-oriented" storage, views, triggers, etc) and also the performance advantage that MySQL enjoys over PostgreSQL for some operations.
We've chosen MySQL over Postgresql because that is what our enterprise customers have requested. If we have sufficient interest in Postgresql, it will definitely move up on the roadmap.
Jamie Becker
Project Manager
HP Open Source Reference Architecture
HP Services
jamieson dot becker at hp dot com
Do You Bill For Advising Clients? (Score:3, Insightful)
However, if clients are asking for advice, are you telling them to go with mySQL because that's what they want to hear? Or are you leveling with them and telling them that PostgreSQL is far, far better?
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:1)
i've experimented a little with mysql, but my feeling it is not as powerful as postgresql, so i don't considered it in my projects.
greetings
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:2)
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:2)
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:2)
Plus, PostgreSQL still presents a higher maintenance load and learning curve for most people. While PostgreSQL has made great strides in being relatively maintenance free for joe average user, it still requires a little more than a passing knowledge of what you're doing to ke
Re:PostgreSQL? (Score:2)
Actually, installing from Source is actually pretty darned easy for PostgreSQL. or Xine, or gxine_client, or a whole bunch of other projects out there.
Reading leet speak, OTOH, is a pain in the arse
Sleeping with JBoss... (Score:2, Funny)
JBoss is Great! (Score:5, Funny)
I know from experience that JBoss is the absolute BEST bit of software out there, it's so great. I can't recommend it enough. It's soooo much better than the competition..
Ahem..
Re:JBoss is Great! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:JBoss is Great! (Score:3, Funny)
Are you kidding? I've never played such a crap game. No plot, poor graphics, and dont even get me started on the controls.
Apple also supports it (Score:5, Informative)
HP support (Score:5, Interesting)
The article states that HP is giving testing and hardware support to these packages, and I assume that means they'll come up with a nifty little logo to show that it's "HP-Ready"... While that's all well and good, will they offer third-party technical support to users when these packages crash on HP servers? If not, who gets left holding the bag? If it were not open source, it would be cut and dry, but with the packages being open source and freely available, the issue of technical support gets blurred. The article didn't go into this fine point.
Re:HP support (Score:2, Informative)
Re:HP support (Score:1)
Jamie Becker
Project Manager
HP Open Source Reference Architecture
HP Services
jamieson dot becker at hp dot com
Dual Licensing (Score:1, Interesting)
That would be a helpful contribution.
Re:Dual Licensing (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Dual Licensing (Score:2)
HP Is Relentlessly Uncommitting (Score:5, Insightful)
HP has always jumped back, forth, and sideways in their "embracing" strategies. One day, they'll promote Java, the next day you'll hear nothing about it. Same with Linux. Compare that to IBM - they have a strong, consistent, stance on both Java and Linux.
Part of this inconsistency is likely due to politics behind the Compaq merger. But it's gone on longer than that - for example, whatever happened to all their embedded consumer devices (I think it was branded "cool city")? All this indicates HP has big political problems, which is causing it to lack any direction.
Re:HP Is Relentlessly Uncommitting (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:HP Is Relentlessly Uncommitting (Score:1)
Cooltown was (and perhaps is, although the web site [hp.com] seems to have been diverted toward another program) a research project, not a product line, generally looking at interesting uses for web-connected mobile devices. (But it's probably fair to say the research hasn't obviously engendered a swarm of web-connected mobile device products from HP.)
Re:HP Is Relentlessly Uncommitting (Score:1)
This architecture offers a reference architecture initially aimed at supporting Java and Jabber applications on Linux. Python, JPython, Perl, and PHP development support are planned for the next release.
Jamie Becker
Project Manager
HP Open Source Reference Architecture
HP Services
jamieson dot becker at hp dot com
Re:HP Is Relentlessly Uncommitting (Score:2)
Wow, that's almost half a year
Apple already does this (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Apple already does this (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Apple already does this (Score:1)
HP? (Score:5, Informative)
I for one will not be buying from HP ever again, except maybe for laser printers...
Re:HP? (Score:1)
What this REALLY means... (Score:5, Insightful)
IBM have WebSphere and DB2
Oracle have 10gAS and Oracle 10g
SAP have Netweaver and SapDB
Microsoft have
HP abandoned their old App Server and have worked out how to get good mindshare for low investment on a new one.
Pretty smart move by HP as it puts them back in the "solutions" market and tied in with their SI business means they have a real opportunity in the custom build market.
Re:What this REALLY means... (Score:5, Insightful)
Er no, HP have now painted themselves into a corner at the bottom of the low end. All the other big companies must be laughing all the way to the bank. Nice one again HP.
Re:What this REALLY means... (Score:3, Insightful)
It seems a strange choice that given their resources HP could have taken stewardship of other serv
Re:What this REALLY means... (Score:2)
I had worked with Bluestone a lot. Really great product and company. It was a shame to see HP not carry through with it. Don't really know much about Fluery but Bob's always seemed like a nice guy.
Just wanted to point out the relationship between JBoss and HP that exists.
Re:What this REALLY means... (Score:1)
Jamie Becker
Project Manager
HP Open Source Reference Architecture
HP Services
jamieson dot becker at hp dot com
They've found the cure for NIHS (Score:4, Insightful)
HP showed signs of beating NIHS with their iPod deal with Apple. With this announcement they have shown that they have a cure for NIHS, at least in some quantity.
People and corporations with NIHS, unlike normal people, have an unfounded fear of technologies they didn't invent. It is related to paranoid dylusion. Countless hours and money is spent recreating technology that has already been inveted by someone else.
It is yet to be seen if HP will sell their NIHS cure to other companies or keep it for themselves as a competitive edge. However, even if they do decide to sell the cure it is likely that most people and corporations will fear the NIHS cure and attempt to create their own.
Re:They've found the cure for NIHS (Score:5, Insightful)
In my day HP was like DEC, IBM and other great.respected corporations. Then they got Carly and it all went downhill...
Re:They've found the cure for NIHS (Score:3, Informative)
The hp compaq d530 I'm using is pretty nice though - P4 2.8G, pity it's running NT4 (as is still the corporate standard here).
Re:They've found the cure for NIHS (Score:2)
> costs the US economy billions of dollars.
and on the opposite end of the spectrum you've got "Invented Here Syndrome" (IHS) - in which companies are sure that commercial applications are 1000s of times better than custom-developed ones.
These companies have plenty of CS skills, but due mainly to their inability to run a project have convinced themselves their their programmers suck, and that real products are 'bought' rather than 'built'. They fai
Is it really about open source assistance? (Score:5, Insightful)
Now look at their competitors products (IBM) Websphere and DB2 products. The reasons have to be more than just jumping on the bandwagon with open source. IBM has two products that are similar to the exact two projects HP chose to help.
All is fair in business, but HP isn't going to throw money at projects just to claim they are on the open source bandwagon. I believe the direct intent is to improve MySQL and JBoss to go head to head with IBM on this one.
Re:Is it really about open source assistance? (Score:1, Flamebait)
> JBoss to go head to head with IBM on this one.
head to head? not a chance: while jboss & mysql have their merits, they are not direct competitors to websphere & db2. That's like comparing bikes to motorcycles, cars to trucks, etc, etc.
Head to head would have involved a huge reseller's discount on selling WebLogic & Oracle. This is more like a quick & dirty move to get something into that solutions category.
Re:Is it really about open source assistance? (Score:3, Insightful)
I feel for you - I'm not a huge fan of java. However, keep in mind that WebSphere is a Java application server, it is 2004, and is probably targeted at application servers with 4+ gbytes of memory.
> DB2, too many java processes make my box want to commit suicide thats all I can say.
Then you need to move up to at least a 386
Questions about HP Open Source LRA? (Score:5, Informative)
Jamie Becker
Project Manager
HP Open Source Linux Reference Architecture
HP Services
jamieson dot becker at hp dot com
GrSecurity. (Score:2)
my 2 cents (Score:2, Insightful)
HP is (was?) an innovator, Dell is.. well, like McDonald's, sorta. Doesn't taste that good, isn't as cheap as it should be, given the quality (or lack thereof). But thru marketing you always hear of them, and lots of people simply buy their [usually inferior] products.
Re:Dell cozying up with open source? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Dell cozying up with open source? (Score:2)
Re:Your analogy is flawed. (Score:2, Interesting)
So... You're saying pickle flavored ice cream? Fine... I'll bite.
The point is that when enough people demand pickles (or pickle flavored ice cream), then the market will respond. Right now, linux lovers just aren't that significant (sorry- just being honest).
Right now, the fact is that TASTE is sub
Re:I'll believe it when I see it (Score:3, Informative)
Well, I've seen MySQL running on Itanium, we have a whole cluster of them at work, in production since December. MySQL supports it and we get the binaries directly from them, so I don't see any obstacle to getting it via HP.
Alan.