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MySQL Quietly Drops Support For Debian Linux [UPDATED]
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volts writes "MySQL quietly deprecated support for most Linux distributions on October 16, when its 'MySQL Network' support plan was replaced by 'MySQL Enterprise.' MySQL now supports only two Linux distributions — Red Hat Enterprise Linux and SUSE Linux Enterprise Server. We learned of this when MySQL declined to sell us support for some new Debian-based servers. Our sales rep 'found out from engineering that the current Enterprise offering is no longer supported on Debian OS.' We were told that 'Generic Linux' in MySQL's list of supported platforms means 'generic versions of the implementations listed above'; not support for Linux in general." Update: 12/13 20:52 GMT by J : MySQL AB's Director of Architecture (and former Slash programmer) Brian Aker corrects an apparent miscommunication in a blog post: "we are just starting to roll out [Enterprise] binaries... We don't build binaries for Debian in part because the Debian community does a good job themselves... If you call MySQL and you have support we support you if you are running Debian (the same with Suse, RHEL, Fedora, Ubuntu and others)... someone in Sales was left with the wrong information"
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Oh well (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Oh well (Score:4, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Thursday April 19 2007, @10:15PM)
Re:Oh well (Score:4, Insightful)
Is MySQL "enterprise-level" nowadays ? Every time there's been a story about databases, people have told horror stories about MySQL quietly corrupting data in database.
And just what does "enterprise-level" mean, anyway ? Scales to infinity ? Reliable ? Costly ? Doesn't get the IT manager fired when the CEO find out he bought it ?-)
Re:QUIETLY? (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.lpcollier.net/vitalsigns)
I think the point is that they haven't made it clear, even on their website [mysql.com] that they have made a business decision to ignore everything but Red Hat and Suse. From the story: "We learned of this when MySQL declined to sell us support for some new Debian-based servers. Our sales rep 'found out from engineering that the current Enterprise offering is no longer supported on Debian OS.'". So a company got bitten by using a generic (Debian) Linux then asking for support and finding out that "generic" means anything but.
They really should make some sort of statement, even if it's market spun, e.g. "...for the benefit of our enterprise customers we are concentrating on supporting the two most popular commercial distributions... we expect third-party support companies and the active MySQL community to continue supporting less popular and non-commercial distributions". (P.S. for the benefit of anyone flicking through, I made that up!)
Those mother... (Score:3, Funny)
(Last Journal: Tuesday March 23 2004, @07:55PM)
Bit misleading (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Bit misleading (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://www.interlingua.com/)
For medium and large companies (which are the only entities that would buy support to begin with), that difference is purely academic. If it isn't supported, it isn't worth running.
Re:Bit misleading (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://tsfraser.googlepages.com/index.html)
Re:Bit misleading (Score:5, Informative)
(http://modir.stumbleupon.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday July 05 2003, @01:19PM)
Will you support MySQL Binaries built by third-party vendors? No.
http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/supportpolicie
The person who wrote this article wanted to take the binaries provided by Debian. And this doesn't work. But if you take the binaries from MySQL you should still get support.
Re:Bit misleading (Score:4, Informative)
(http://www.dsbscience.com/)
Point of clarification: places have RH because they offer support to their enterprise product. Debian's reputation for stability and such is pretty strong, but that only carries so far in the business setting. It's not reputation that drives RH over Deb to the enterprise...it's "I can pay YOU to fix it when it's broke." JMO.
Re:Bit misleading (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Tuesday February 19 2002, @10:25AM)
Wow... this is the beginning of the end (Score:2)
(http://agileartisans.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday June 18 2005, @08:11AM)
I guess it time to dig in and learn another tool to replace it.
Solution (Score:5, Informative)
PostgreSQL [postgresql.org]
Firebird [firebirdsql.org]
Still, Debian provides good MySQL packages. Use them instead. If you need support, I'm sure you could find someone to provide it for you.
Re:Solution (Score:5, Insightful)
Indeed... (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.earlconsult.com/)
going to get to first base unless it's a screw-up of epic proportions. Even then, it's more likely to
be a colossal waste of your time and merely an exercise of fattening your lawyer's wallet.
Re:Solution (Score:5, Interesting)
really?
seriously?
hahahahahahaha
What your support contract buys you is the ability to call someone on the phone. If it makes your boss happy to have someone to call and yell at when shit breaks, well, ok.
Re:Solution (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.dyndns.org/)
Re:Solution (Score:5, Insightful)
If that were true then MSFT wouldn't have any money at all as they would be responsible for billions in lost sales annually. Just one Virus through one product line(not even windows but MS SQL) a year would be expensive. Yet MSFT doesn't have to pay so why would Mysql, or IBM, or any other software company for lost sales or data?
Generic, huh? (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://honeypot.net/ | Last Journal: Friday April 07 2006, @09:33AM)
I guess that's fair - my company migrated to supporting only "generic Red Hat Database", aka PostgreSQL.
Seriously, except in cases where you have no choice about database availability, I can't see a single reason to use MySQL these days. All of their cool features are owned by their competitors, and they're starting to pull desperate financing tricks like whittling away tech support and partnering with SCO. Are people still using it for new deployments, and if so, why?
Re:Generic, huh? (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.gemstate.net/friends | Last Journal: Tuesday September 11, @10:32AM)
Up to and including Slashcode.
It is now catch 22. Everybody uses MySQL because everyone uses MySQL.
Heck I use MySQL for our CMS because not every module supports PostgreSQL.
I would much rather use PostgreSQL for everything but I don't have time to re-invent the wheel.
Oh well (Score:3, Informative)
(http://dugger.notsoevil.net/)
And yet... (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://upt.org/lane)
I know where I'll not be spending my IT budget next year.
Fork or Spoon (Score:5, Funny)
MySQL only lets me spoon it.
But Postgre lets me fork it all night long.
Get Ready... (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.kickthebobo.com/erotech/index.html | Last Journal: Friday October 26, @11:51AM)
Forking won't necessarily do anything (Score:5, Insightful)
All of my servers run Debian (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://www.daduh.org/ | Last Journal: Friday July 20, @11:20AM)
Re:All of my servers run Debian (Score:5, Insightful)
Why fork it? (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Wednesday August 18 2004, @05:22PM)
I don't see this as a technical deficiency of the software. This is a business issue.
Do you have Debian and MySQL expertise? Find yourself someone business-savvy (hint: it's probably not you) and sell support for MySQL on Debian. Be your own boss (hint: make sure your business-savvy person isn't a PHB). I think MySQL AB has been pretty clear in the past that they are but a small (if central) part of the MySQL ecosystem, and they clearly want to focus on their high-margin customers. Might be a smart move, might not, but it sure opens the door to players who want to seize the other niches.
Sounds like a business plan waiting to happen (Score:4, Insightful)
The only thing that really happened is that MySQL cleaved off a part of their business and gave it away for free to anyone who wants it. And I'll bet plenty of people do.
Linux (Score:3, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Wednesday September 22 2004, @11:13AM)
Isn't "Linux" "generic" almost by definition. The only differences between packages are choices and package manager and usually only a few homegrown eye candy pieces.
No really, I'm not trolling. I'm serious. I've used all sorts of different "distros", Redhat, SuSE, Debian, Slackware etc and I am able to quickly move between them because at the core of it, its all but the same. And I'm not a Linux expert by any stretch of the imagination, so if I can manage, why can't the big boys who do nothing but Linux?
Why all the drama? (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.deadpixelnews.com/)
The vast majority of mysql users will never buy a support contract, and those few who do, will probably be RedHat or Suse. (When was the last time a Debian user admitted he needed help for anything?)
Instead of having to support dozens of distros, Mysql is supporting the main two. It may be Open Source, but it's still a business.
D
Almost there (Score:2)
(http://slashdot.org/)
I've been getting kinda tired of the whole cult surrounding MySQL's substandard "RDBMS".
Of all the posts here (Score:2)
If you need support... (Score:4, Insightful)
That would be my guess at least.
Opportunity for Postgres (Score:2)
(http://www.portcommodore.com/)
Did anyone catch the relationship? (Score:4, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Friday February 02 2007, @11:08AM)
-BA
Varying Levels of Support (Score:2)
The linked support list was to the Enterprise version, but check out Cluster and MaxDB versions.
Oddly enough, they claim FS - full support for Debian 3.0 on the PowerPC architecture.
No need to fork! (Score:4, Insightful)
Just to clarify the crappy summary, MySQL are not saying that their software won't run on Debian or Ubuntu or whatever... It will still run on most OSs and distros, but if you are using Linux, MySQL AB will only sell you a support contract for MySQL if you are running on Dead Rat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) or Novhell (SLES?).
Get it? Got it? Good!
Demographic question (Score:2)
(http://null.set/)
No Free alternatives.... (Score:2)
Moo (Score:1)
(http://tkatch.com/ | Last Journal: Monday October 29, @02:09PM)
As a Database Programmer (and erstwhile DBA) i am saddened by the haphazard mySQL being called a database. For a while it didn't even support transactions. It's actually more of a storage system with a quai-SQL front end.
By dropping that facade from Debian people might be more inclined to use a real database such as PostgreSQL, which has been in the background for much too long.
For the quality that Debian stands for, from my PoV, this is a very good thing.
I would talk of progress here, but Progress is by far the absolute worst database system i have worked with.
Who cares (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://www.vendorama.com/)
I doubt most Debian users will care.
This just in... (Score:2)
(http://www.linuxplatform.org/ | Last Journal: Tuesday December 16 2003, @04:31PM)
Screw this (Score:2)
(http://www.yvan256.net/)
j/k
Too many linuxes (Score:2)
Having just wasted a few days trying to get one bit of "Linux-compatible" software to work on another subtly different flavour Linux (thankyou RedHat for your borked gcc 2.96), I have some sympathy for saying "we only support flavour X".
Is there such a thing as one Linux distro to suit all users? Probably not. Could there maybe be 2 or 3 that would suit virtually all users? I think so. This move from MySQL seems like a step towards that.
they're still supporting me! (Score:1)
(http://philchambers.co.uk/)
fyi: if you run anything like a large site (we sustain 4000qps most of the day), i would highly recommend a support contract with them. it's very cheap for 24/7/365 access to the devs.
X not R! (Score:1)
(http://www.chaeron.com/)
Skip a generation and go with a good XML DBMS. Something like eXist perhaps?
Wait for Ubuntu... (Score:1)
Support Through OS Vendor? (Score:1)
Actually, that's Debian GNU/Linux (Score:2)
(http://www.smileystation.com/)