Who Killed the Webmaster? 334
XorNand writes "With the explosive growth of the Web in the previous decade, many predicted the birth of a new, well-paying, and in-demand profession: the Webmaster. Yet in 2007, this person has somehow vanished; even the term is scarcely mentioned. What happened? A decade later I'm left wondering: Who killed the Webmaster?"
All I know is (Score:3, Funny)
No, it was me. (Score:5, Funny)
No, I was there, and... it was me.
Well, there were a few of us involved. But my personal confession reads as follows:
I wrote scripts that let end users change their own pages. I integrated Wysiwyg editors into CMS systems. I coded some wiki-markup processors. I made design changes friendly for non-techies. I wrote image thumbnailers, and CSS-generators that used customer preferences.
I didn't know it was wrong! I was just following orders! Everyone was doing it! Lots of others killed him more than I did!
*Moves to Brazil*
Re:No, it was me. (Score:4, Insightful)
In a gold rush, the way to make money is to sell shovels!
Re:No, it was me. (Score:5, Insightful)
But to address the main topic, the simple answer is that web isn't nearly as simple as it used to be. Now you don't just have a webmaster, you have a team... You have graphic designers, usability experts, programmers, system administrators, DBA's, domain (knowledge) experts, etc., and of course "content editors." Now that doesn't mean that Joe can't just download / install Drupal or some other CMS and implement it, but if Joe really wants to customize Drupal to work with his custom databases and brand it with his own look and feel, he needs a wide variety of skills. That's why there are companies that will customize Drupal for you.
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The CMS (Score:5, Interesting)
Next question.
Re:The CMS (Score:5, Interesting)
I have a friend who's had the odd "webmaster" job. The bosses expect, I think, someone who will laboriously hand-edit every page, because they don't know any better. Instead, she ponders their needs, grabs a CMS... and automates herself out of a job. She's gone through at least two "webmaster" jobs by doing this, I think.
One of these days she'll figure out how to lie to her bosses about how long it takes, I suppose.
Re:The CMS (Score:5, Insightful)
Seems to me, if you are automating yourself out of a job, reorientate so that automation IS your job.
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ORIENTATE IS NOT A WORD!!!!!
Perhaps you'd like to check before shouting next time: Orientate [chambersharrap.co.uk]
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She needs to go to the Commander Montgomery Scott School of Sandbagging.
"Laddie-- you dinna tell him how long it would really take? You'll never get a reputation as a miracle worker that way!"Re: (Score:3, Funny)
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Fixed.
Sadly, the average blogger/forum member is a better source of information than the manufacturer. That's not saying much, most corporate web sites are about as useful as tits on a boar. Curiously, this is one area that our beleaguered vendor Microsoft actually has right. Documenting flaws and workarounds where customers
Re:The CMS (Score:5, Insightful)
You have the amateur sites, which probably are done by one person, don't involve making money (in any serious way). Some of these involve a CMS, some don't, and frankly no-one cares.
You have the small-business sites, which exist to advertise a product and maybe sell it. Generally the small business doesn't employ anyone with the skills to make a good looking et cetera website, certainly it doesn't have the cash to have a full time webmaster who would most of the time sit on his arse anyway. So they pay a web design firm for a website and for the occasional update. Maybe there is a CMS system put in by the design firm so the small business's owner can change a few words himself, but that's about as far as it goes. Maybe these companies could do more with the internet than they do, but they don't have the money.
You have the big business sites which do all kinds of things over the internet, and those guys don't have 'a webmaster' because there is far too much for one guy to do, instead they have the web section of the IT department, with several full time guys all doing bits of the company website (and intranet site).
And somewhere in a tiny niche market you have a few companies which have decided they need to employ a full time webmaster specifically to run their website, they're big enough and internet-dependent enough to need it, but then they've stopped there. That means they need a guy who is making changes all the time, 40 hours a week, so there is likely to be a fair bit of ASP or PHP or whatever, some database stuff, but somehow the CEO and PR guys have decided that the current flashy stuff is enough and they don't need any more stuff that would require another website guy to be hired.
Colonel Mustard (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Colonel Mustard (Score:5, Funny)
Ok, I'll sit in the corner and wait for the game to be over.
Automation (Score:5, Insightful)
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Syphilis?
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Syphilis?
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They got promoted? (Score:5, Insightful)
I can think of a lot of web sites where 90+% of the content isn't part of the "site" per se, but part of databases that are somehow interfaced into the site (CRM systems, accounting, etc.). The "webmaster"'s job can be a lot more like a circus ringleader, trying to keep everyone happy and plugged in.
In line with the increasing managerial responsibilities, the title of "webmaster" may have disappeared into various "Information Systems" titles. The job is still there, somewhere, but it's called something different.
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I think you meant "facet" instead of "facade", but it also makes a sort of perverse sense as originally written.
- Greg
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You nailed it right on the head, there. The last time I had the job title "webmaster," I was working for Bluedomino.com (the former hosting arm or Coffee
The webmaster is dead. Long live the webmaster. (Score:5, Insightful)
The old time "webmaster" was a jack of all trades, doing design, HTML, managing your hosting account, submitting your site to search engines, and coding or subcontracting interactive scripts.
But the web and the number of ways to create content and interactivity have expanded faster than any person's skillset can. Furthermore, people started seeing really slick, professional sites, and the "Geocities Home Page On Steroids" junk that a lot of webmasters were churning our just wasn't acceptable anymore.
There are still "webmasters" where the web operation for a company or organization is kept in-house and limited to a single person. But when you get into concepts like economy of scale... if you don't need a full-time person (i.e. your site doesn't need that much active management), it's just cheaper to contract it out. And in most cases, the big, slick operations are getting those contracts.
For the big slicks, it doesn't make sense to have a bunch of jacks of all trades, mastering none, doing merely acceptable jobs. It's better to have a team of specialists and parcel out different parts to the people who excel in those parts. You get slicker, better product, faster turnaround, and the employees are plug-and-play making a single point of failure less likely.
As web sites needed to have more and varied pieces, demanded more expertise in more areas, the "webmaster" started to be replaced by the Graphic Designer, the Web Dev, the Server Jockey, the DBA, the SEO person, etc. It's sort of like math or science. A long, long time ago, it was possible for a single person to obtain the sum total of human knowledge in these disciplines. Now, you can't. You have to pick a specialty. People entering the world of web site construction and maintenance are finding that they have to pick a speciality too.
There are webmasters out there, but they're being killed off by an environment that is growing ever more complex.
I say common knowledge killed the webmaster (Score:5, Interesting)
And while I agree that some people have chosen to specialize even more, I've seen people go in the other direction as well. There are still Jacks-of-All-Trades, except those new Jacks may know a scripting language or two, a bit of database, a bit of graphic design, a bit of apache, etc. And those new Jacks-of-all-Trades just couldn't market themselves under the old label Webmaster, since that label doesn't really describe what they do now, nor does that old label describe something that's very special anymore.
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Yeah, but not everyone wants to work on their own small-business website, get the layout right, make sure it's compatible with IE 5,6,7, FF, and Safari... It's easier to hire a kid/freelancer/jack-of-all-trades. It's just "site designer" or something now.
-b.
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(j/k)
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Ouch (Score:4, Funny)
Both the author attribution, and the content of the article, belong to the wrong century.
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KFG
You're kidding, right? (Score:5, Funny)
Saying "Content is King" in the same sentence as Myspace et. al. is like saying an overflowing ashtray is a sign of productivity.
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If the goatse guy was a webmaster, Myspace would be one of his; its the biggest pile of steaming crap on the internet.
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Ha, you've never worked in the music business then!
Killed? Probably just natural selection. (Score:5, Insightful)
they are still out there... just got rarer (Score:5, Interesting)
Yes "webmasters" are rare but they are not extinct.
became specialized (Score:3, Interesting)
if you just to page designs you are a 'wed developer' if you maintain the backend you are an administrator
in summary, the job specialized into different fields because web sites are too diverse in nature for one job description to cover maintaining all the different types
Re:became specialized (Score:5, Informative)
In fact, the following are all different tasks (and I doubt the list is exhaustive by any stretch), though several may be done by one person at a particular site:
Authors (content)
Designers (layout)
Usabilty/HCI developers
Markup (Turning design into HTML code)
Web developer (writing code that dynamically generates HTML)
System developer (writing business logic components/back-end objects)
Database developer/DBA
Systems administrator
There are often ancillary tasks too (tester, publisher, etc) and there are other important tasks that people don't tend to conflate with those so I didn't list them (e.g. project manager, sales, etc).
For a small site there might be just one person doing the whole list, or everything but content and possibly design. In my experience, though, the most common places to seperate tasks if you have just 2 people working on the site are either right above the web designer on the list, or in many cases just the content is one person.
Where I work the line items are mostly seperate except that design, usability, and markup are done by the same people (and they'll often get involved with content), the senior system developers are also the DBAs, and there's a fair amount of overlap between some of the system developers and web developers (some work is strictly segregated between the two, some is more tightly bound).
Of course, lines often get blurred.
VOD (Score:4, Funny)
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You must be new here (Score:2, Funny)
Video did (Score:2)
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Nobody (Score:4, Insightful)
The entire web isn't made up of Web 2.0 community-generated content sites.
And even if you've got the latest greatest custom CMS -- someone's got to maintain it.
Newspapers and magazines still have webmasters -- those are publications with
dozens of writers, editors, photo editors and community features.
Most of the web is still (and will always be) about content, and not all content
exists on blogs and news aggregators. (Although, TFA is correct in its observation that
an increasing amount of it is). Enterprise level publishing still requires webmasters
to manage increasingly complex sites with multiple integrated systems, databases
servers, ad networks and a distributed team of editors, writers and programmers.
If you're the New York times, WebMD, iVillage, MSN, etc. a WordPress install isn't
going to replace your webmaster.
I think a better question might be: who killed the low level webmaster?
I think... (Score:4, Insightful)
People who are good at all of that are far and few between, so instead of having one mythical webmaster who does everything, it makes more sense to have the tasks split up into different jobs: Web designer, web developer and content provider (which may be any sort of professional, for example marketing or journalism, or the website user himself).
Hey, (Score:2, Funny)
:wq
The webmaster never responded to email (Score:2, Funny)
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It is though your inquiry is sucked into oblivion as soon as you hit, "Enter."
Did you try going in to get the sigil stone?
Obvious (Score:2)
Who did it? (Score:2, Funny)
The webmaster is alive and well (Score:5, Funny)
I also did a quick search on moster.com (results: http://jobsearch.monster.com/Search.aspx?q=radio%
Of course, you can take these results for what they are worth. After all, I got 371 results when I searched for "nose picker" on monster.com ( http://jobsearch.monster.com/Search.aspx?q=nose%2
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Or maybe the 74 results for "supreme asshole" [monster.com].
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Not gone, just changed (Score:2)
People who might have called themselves webmasters before now call themselves bloggers. These days it is quite trivial to make a web page, especially with all the on-line tools around. Maybe back in the day you had to know a little HTML to put up your own personal web page, and you might have felt special enough about it that you gave yourself a title. Not so anymore. When your average 12 year old can churn out a Myspace page (albeit a blinding, noisy, tooth grinding affront to all th
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Meh, in the 90s there were AOHell profiles that were just as (if not more!) painful to look at and annoying. Filling out a questionnaire and uploading some pics and music does not a web page make, not if you want your organization or yourself to have some credibility online. The best-looking and
Better tools, different methods (Score:5, Interesting)
Gradually, programmers started making better tools so that less technically-inclined people could jump in and try things. Some of these folks were artists, and some rather beautiful and elegant layouts were developed. At about the same time, tools started popping up that allowed people to type content into a text box and have it appear with the proper formatting applied, or have the data be automatically imported and formatted from a database. With this, the amount of content on the web increased dramatically. A webmaster's focus was on editing and uploading individual HTML files (a comparatively laborious task compared to entering something into a blog post form), and at the same time he had to compete directly with the better designs and layouts from the art pool.
So what happened? The more technically oriented webmasters became LAMP specialists or coders (and the bottom of the barrel started making IE-only pages). The more artistically inclined ones discovered CSS and Dreamweaver and went on to contribute to a prettier and easier to use web. A very small minority with talents in both areas got fantastic jobs and made lots of money making tools for artists or better interfaces (dynamic HTML, slide-out widgets, WYSIWYG in forms). And the rest? Well, you don't get very far if you can't adapt.
Obligatory South Park Style Statement (Score:2)
Oh My God, They Killed Kenny The Webmaster. You Bastards!!!
No one killed him (Score:2, Funny)
Re:No one killed him (Score:4, Funny)
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Not to mention a coil of stout rope to tie u^W^W form the web.
-b.
Let's see how Wordpress holds up. (Score:3, Interesting)
the tools maybe.. (Score:2)
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Businesses that do other things than web design still might want an employee/group/outside person to handle those things. Why? Because they have some idea of what the site should look like and what info it should contain, but they don't want to be bothered with the exact layout and workings.
Content management killed him (Score:2)
Ok, ok, the Clue jokes are getting old and have been repeated like a billion times by now. So I won't make (another) one.
But seriously. Webpage design is outsourced to designing companies, a content management system is slapped onto the page's back and from then on, anyone with at least half a clue can add and manipulate content rather easily, without even knowing the first thing about HTML.
The webmaster isn't dead. He's just working for another company now, or he is un
Did it ever exist? (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm not dead, just sleeping (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm sure this is a typical experience.
My take... (Score:2, Interesting)
It's probably due to not only specialization, but the growth of more methods and more complex methods of designing on the internet. When I first got a computer around 1999 - 2000, I remember around 6 months into being on the internet wanting to learn how to start web designing. It probably took me about 2 years of self teaching to get familiar with HTML (the 3rd or 4th year I pretty much knew everything about HTML), and only recently in the past year have I been serious enough to sit down and learn CSS (o
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what happen? (Score:2)
Market Forces... (Score:2, Insightful)
We use something called "supply and demand" to determine prices and such, not just on consumer goods but on jobs and salaries also. Some jobs are just low pay or go away, 95% of the time this is better for society (though it may really suck for an individual).
Like it or not, a "webmaster" never was one of the really tough jobs that took a lot of talent and ability. Yes, there were - and definitely still are - sites that require such, bu
Evolution. Nothing more. (Score:4, Insightful)
Two things...
First, the task formerly called "webmaster" really didn't involve all that much real "skill" - During the dotcom boom it paid well, but damn sure shouldn't have. In general, you had two types of people doing the job - Real coders tasked with keeping the company website updated in their "spare" time, and wannabe coders who could handle HTML but not much else. Sorry, that sounds harsh, but it does set the stage.
Enter easy-to-use WYSIWIG page editing tools, AJAX, Buzzword 2.0, and what-have you. These changes, over time, have radically segregated the web into two distinct subgroups: We have the coders I previously put in group #1 now spending a much more significant chunk of their time maintaining fairly complex systems, but still not enough to dedicate a full-time engineer to for anything except a few megasites (and on them, they have whole teams of people working on something much more similar to a real software project than to the traditional "web site"); group #2 has no role in that, and has taken to blogging, vanishing into the masses as everyone and their brother pretends the world wants to hear about their breakfast and latest messy romance.
So what happened to the "webmaster" of old? Simple - the job outgrew most of its practitioners, but still hasn't made it far enough (with a few exceptions, of course) that real engineers would give it first billing on their resumes.
What would you call my job? (Score:2, Interesting)
We have customers that we support in a 24x7 operating enviornment globablly with 50+ million hits per month. We have 20+ GB of data fed through the site a day whic
I did... (Score:2)
Anyway, somebody else already answered: Specialization...
Because Webmaster is actually three jobs ... (Score:2, Interesting)
Sys Admin, takes care of the box, OS, server apps
Web Designer, designs look, feel, navigation of site, artistic type with likely limited technical skills
Programmer(s), most likely more than one if the site is complicated and uses more than one language and/or a db.
(note I grouping dba's in with programmers here, but that doesn't always happen that way either. so maybe 4 jobs)
I was a Webmaster (Score:4, Interesting)
Now I make my money setting up the CMS, customizing it, building webapps and designing databases.
The Webmaster went the way of the weaver when the mechanical loom came. And that's a good thing. No need for humans anymore. Automate it and move on. It's a big wave and it's called cyberpunk. Learn to ride it.
Your call is very important to us (Score:3, Insightful)
The term "webmaster" didn't work (Score:3, Informative)
Having said that, there are plenty of "webmasters" out there, with a broad range of web-related skills that defy easy categorization. If you read forums like Web Hosting Talk, Digital Point or SitePoint, you'll see lots of participants that that fit the general a description.
Strawman. He answered himself in point #1 (Score:2)
I don't think it is the economy or India. She was laid off this fall in a corporate consolidation but only spent a month on unemployment because she was unprepared and spent two of her three months of severence twiddling together her online
Video Killed the Webmastar (Score:2)
... I know! (Score:2, Funny)
job function / requirements have changed (Score:2)
People are demanding interactive pages that Sally the GM's personal assistant can update as required. "Web masters" are no longer really called web masters, they've been replaced with graphic designers and application developers...
I was a Fortune 500 Webmaster .. Twice (Score:5, Interesting)
My last job, at a fortune 500 power tool manufacturing company, my title was actually 'Webmaster' and I hated it. I took the job in 2000, Coming from another large company, the one that 90% of you use for your cable modem in the U.S. There I was a 'Web Designer', or sometimes a 'Web Developer'
In 1998, when I took the job at the 'Cable Company', they were just rolling out their Cable Modems, and looking for sales-men. Having spent the last five years local, and over the pond, selling metal toy soldiers, paint, and full colour hobby magazines to kids [or to reluctant store owners, who didn't understand that kids spend a lot of money on my former company's products.] I sent a resume in. I was hired. Quickly. And spent 6 months in the number one,two, or three spot on their sales floor.
Someone, somewhere found out that I actually had a degree in Computer Science
Lots and lots of work in a brand new 'field', learning something new every day.
Skip forward to 2000, and I changed companies for a 50% pay increase. I figured any company willing to almost double my salary HAD to have a challenging environment. Woah boy was I wrong. Most of the other 'web masters' there knew html. maybe a little javascript out of a book. NONE of them had any experience in programming. My job quickly turned into churning out HTML filled spam-email, and endlessly updating the look-and-feel of a few corporate websites to keep up with marketing driven initiatives.
I did get to write a cool football pick program for a well known cystic fibrosis charity the last year there though
I spent FIVE years there, trying to make my job a better one. But that great salary was becoming less so, as I had few raises. I was moved from my original department that had a bonus scheme - to another that didn't. [like a 10-15k a year pay cut on good years] I worked for a number of bosses who had NO idea what I could actually do, and when I tried to explain to them - couldn't understand what they didn't understand
It got so I was embarrassed to mention my title to anyone in the company. I was doing NO real work, just busywork, and watching folks who went to other companies that I doing all the cool stuff, for the same or more money. I had chosen poorly.
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So what killed the webmaster ? I think it was a little bit of a lot of things
Many early webmasters were code heads who learned html early on, and went with it. Hacking away at a new idea was like breathing to those guys. These guys became in high demand, as there were very few full time coders who wanted to give that up for 'html' crap, but people did give it up, when the salaries surpassed what they were making. With clear second site, it seemed such easy work for good money
The other kind of early webmaster was the person who saw html code, and dremweaver or (shudder) frontpage, and set up shop as a webmaster, with no coding experience - and PROUD of the fact that they were self taught. They could do layout, many had a good eye for design, and carved a niche and hung on to it desperately in the early 2ks. There were LOTS of these guys.
Throw on top of that the cha
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Some kind of self-defeating dating site then?
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So true. A client set up a mailing list named "service@.com" going to all of the main players' addresses in the company. Spam volume to all of the list users increased several times before I ended up suggesting renaming the list to a less common name!
-b.
Webmasters wanted (Score:4, Informative)
If you know your GNU from your Linux, and you fancy the chance to work on a very popular website, www.gnu.org, then please drop me an email...
mattl at gnu dot org - put 'slashdot webmastering' in the subject please
Re:Webmasters wanted (Score:4, Funny)
See, with those hefty requirements, you're missing out on many of the great among us.
Re:I'm here (Score:5, Insightful)
While the focus in 1999 was "getting in the game," the focus today is content and market awareness. As a result, we've moved web publishing from the IT department to the communications and marketing departments. The IT department builds the framework and they MBA-types type in the marketing babble.
Given the ongoing disconnect between IT and business, I think it's a pretty logically evolution. Why would I let someone with no people skills greet my customers?
Re:Webmasters are NOT dead! (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, yes, you said that Flash is ubiquitous, meaning it's not a hassle for the user to install. But who cares. I'm using a web browser, and it recognizes HTML and displays images without any additional installation on the part of the user, so Flash is no easier on the user than just plain HTML.
The problem is that Flash generally contributes to web cruft, making it harder for the user to get what he wants: information. Now, this isn't necessarily Flash's fault. It's just a tool, like a gun or a Robot 1-X. But people use it wrong, and that's why people like me go to extra efforts to avoid it.
Flash is really good for two things: (1) interactive content and (2) well-synchronized animation and sound requiring low bandwidth. That's great. In particular situations, I'll fire up my old IE (which still has Flash capabilities on my machine) to view a particular Flash crapplet that has a funny animation or an interesting interactive interface (like a web-based game). But 90% of the Flash out there is used for (3) site navigation. For the love of init, why?! This is, literally, what HTML was born for, yet webbastards continue churning out sites where there's only one URL, and the rest of the site is locked up in some colossal Flash crapplet that doesn't present any more information than a regular HTML design could provide, but has tons more fancy animations. It's like the blink tag for the third millennium.
I realize your friend is probably a die-hard Flash fanatic, but I hope you'll share with him a line borrowed from another industry whose product is often abused: "Please, Flash responsibly!"
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Yep.
Flash, when used sparingly, can be useful. It totally sucks however when a company does their entire site as flash. In many (most) cases you can't print, and the site is slow to navigate. I really don't want to sit through some loud 5 minute AV presentation every time I go a site's home page, looking for specific information.
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Other reasons to avoid flash for anything other than the above 2 scenerios meantioned above:
Accessibility: Would you build a building with out a handicap ramp? Why would you build a website that way? Flash is poorly suited for outputting in any way that isn't sight AND sound.
Translators: Translating sites won't touch your flash navigation. They
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Flash's absolute hugest problem though is its potential for abuse. Well, I suppose it's not r