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Who Killed the Webmaster?

Posted by kdawson on Mon Jan 29, 2007 02:57 AM
from the smoking-guns dept.
XorNand writes "With the explosive growth of the Web in the previous decade, many predicted the birth of a new, well-paying, and in-demand profession: the Webmaster. Yet in 2007, this person has somehow vanished; even the term is scarcely mentioned. What happened? A decade later I'm left wondering: Who killed the Webmaster?"
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  • All I know is (Score:3, Funny)

    by TheCybernator (996224) on Monday January 29 2007, @03:02AM (#17796742)
    .... It wasn't me.
    • Re:All I know is by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @03:17AM
    • Re:All I know is by The Crooked Elf (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @03:36AM
    • No, it was me. (Score:5, Funny)

      by kale77in (703316) on Monday January 29 2007, @03:47AM (#17796972)
      > ... it wasn't me.

      No, I was there, and... it was me.

      Well, there were a few of us involved. But my personal confession reads as follows:

      I wrote scripts that let end users change their own pages. I integrated Wysiwyg editors into CMS systems. I coded some wiki-markup processors. I made design changes friendly for non-techies. I wrote image thumbnailers, and CSS-generators that used customer preferences.

      I didn't know it was wrong! I was just following orders! Everyone was doing it! Lots of others killed him more than I did!

      *Moves to Brazil*
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      • Re:No, it was me. by linders (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @06:02AM
        • Re:No, it was me. (Score:5, Insightful)

          by walt-sjc (145127) on Monday January 29 2007, @09:04AM (#17798886)
          Your partially right. You don't need a webmaster to edit CONTENT on a web site. Editing layout templates and scripts however isn't quite so simple - especially if you want it to look halfway decent on multiple different browsers (or even work at all if you are doing AJAX.)

          But to address the main topic, the simple answer is that web isn't nearly as simple as it used to be. Now you don't just have a webmaster, you have a team... You have graphic designers, usability experts, programmers, system administrators, DBA's, domain (knowledge) experts, etc., and of course "content editors." Now that doesn't mean that Joe can't just download / install Drupal or some other CMS and implement it, but if Joe really wants to customize Drupal to work with his custom databases and brand it with his own look and feel, he needs a wide variety of skills. That's why there are companies that will customize Drupal for you.

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      • Re:No, it was me. (Score:4, Insightful)

        by khakipuce (625944) on Monday January 29 2007, @08:15AM (#17798386)
        (http://www.systemdynamics.co.uk/ | Last Journal: Friday October 27 2006, @07:03AM)
        No, no, no, it was me ... I teach an Adult Education course on creating websites, the course costs less than £100 and after 10 weeks most of the students can create and maintain their own site.

        In a gold rush, the way to make money is to sell shovels!
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      • Re:No, it was me. by CptPicard (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @04:55PM
      • It was also the art schools by gmezero (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @05:57PM
      • Re:No, it was me. by purduephotog (Score:2) Tuesday January 30 2007, @06:01PM
      • Re:No, it was me. by aeoneal (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @12:01PM
      • Re:No, it was me. by kd5ujz (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @10:14PM
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    • In South Korea... by locoluis (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @09:37AM
    • Re:All I know is by jcgf (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @10:51AM
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  • I did by T-Bone-T (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @03:02AM
    • Re:I did (Score:5, Funny)

      by myowntrueself (607117) on Monday January 29 2007, @03:39AM (#17796924)
      I wanted a website too complex for a single person.

      Some kind of self-defeating dating site then?
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      • Re:I did by mikek3332002 (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @05:09AM
      • Thanks man by blueZ3 (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @12:33PM
  • The CMS (Score:5, Interesting)

    by The Bungi (221687) <thebungi@gmail.com> on Monday January 29 2007, @03:03AM (#17796754)
    (http://members.cox.net/bungi/)
    The cheap/free content management system killed him. And replaced him with the blogger, who now generates the vast majority of content on teh interwebs (for better or worse).

    Next question.

    • Re:The CMS (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Peganthyrus (713645) on Monday January 29 2007, @03:47AM (#17796960)
      (http://egypt.urnash.com/)
      Yes.

      I have a friend who's had the odd "webmaster" job. The bosses expect, I think, someone who will laboriously hand-edit every page, because they don't know any better. Instead, she ponders their needs, grabs a CMS... and automates herself out of a job. She's gone through at least two "webmaster" jobs by doing this, I think.

      One of these days she'll figure out how to lie to her bosses about how long it takes, I suppose.
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      • Re:The CMS (Score:5, Insightful)

        by D-Cypell (446534) on Monday January 29 2007, @04:40AM (#17797190)

        One of these days she'll figure out how to lie to her bosses about how long it takes, I suppose.
        Or set up a consultancy specializing in the installation, configuration and training on CMS systems.

        Seems to me, if you are automating yourself out of a job, reorientate so that automation IS your job.
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        • Re:The CMS by blane.bramble (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @09:06AM
          • Re:The CMS by Profane MuthaFucka (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @02:42PM
            • Re:The CMS by Mr. Slippery (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @09:19PM
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      • Re:The CMS by operagost (Score:3) Monday January 29 2007, @10:42AM
      • Re:The CMS by mdfst13 (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @11:01PM
      • Re:The CMS by denidoom (Score:1) Tuesday January 30 2007, @12:43PM
    • Re:The CMS by CdXiminez (Score:3) Monday January 29 2007, @03:57AM
      • Re:The CMS by The Bungi (Score:3) Monday January 29 2007, @04:52AM
        • Re:The CMS by CdXiminez (Score:3) Monday January 29 2007, @04:57AM
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      • Re:The CMS by jacksonj04 (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @06:22AM
    • Re:The CMS by earnest murderer (Score:3) Monday January 29 2007, @03:58AM
      • Re:The CMS by LegionX (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @08:30AM
        • Re:The CMS by arkanes (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @09:03AM
          • Re:The CMS by dgatwood (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @04:47PM
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      • Re:The CMS by drinkypoo (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @11:37AM
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    • Re:The CMS (Score:5, Insightful)

      by PDAllen (709106) on Monday January 29 2007, @07:26AM (#17798056)
      Not really. You have four sorts of websites.
      You have the amateur sites, which probably are done by one person, don't involve making money (in any serious way). Some of these involve a CMS, some don't, and frankly no-one cares.
      You have the small-business sites, which exist to advertise a product and maybe sell it. Generally the small business doesn't employ anyone with the skills to make a good looking et cetera website, certainly it doesn't have the cash to have a full time webmaster who would most of the time sit on his arse anyway. So they pay a web design firm for a website and for the occasional update. Maybe there is a CMS system put in by the design firm so the small business's owner can change a few words himself, but that's about as far as it goes. Maybe these companies could do more with the internet than they do, but they don't have the money.
      You have the big business sites which do all kinds of things over the internet, and those guys don't have 'a webmaster' because there is far too much for one guy to do, instead they have the web section of the IT department, with several full time guys all doing bits of the company website (and intranet site).
      And somewhere in a tiny niche market you have a few companies which have decided they need to employ a full time webmaster specifically to run their website, they're big enough and internet-dependent enough to need it, but then they've stopped there. That means they need a guy who is making changes all the time, 40 hours a week, so there is likely to be a fair bit of ASP or PHP or whatever, some database stuff, but somehow the CEO and PR guys have decided that the current flashy stuff is enough and they don't need any more stuff that would require another website guy to be hired.
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      • make that 5 by macurmudgeon (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @11:02AM
      • Re:The CMS by sBox (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @12:27PM
    • Re:The CMS by Fordiman (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @10:28AM
  • Colonel Mustard (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2007, @03:03AM (#17796756)
    Colonel Mustard with Web 2.0 in the kitchen.
  • Automation (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nacturation (646836) on Monday January 29 2007, @03:04AM (#17796760)
    (Last Journal: Thursday May 24, @01:08AM)
    Same thing that killed the guy who used to drive around bringing ice so your grandparents could keep the food in their icebox cold.
     
  • They got promoted? (Score:5, Insightful)

    I don't think the job is gone, but perhaps the title is. "Webmaster" has been rolled into other jobs, because management of a public-facing web site is increasingly just one facade of a far more important job, management of a company's entire systems, which falls generally to the CIO, and then gets delegated from there down to a particular person or group.

    I can think of a lot of web sites where 90+% of the content isn't part of the "site" per se, but part of databases that are somehow interfaced into the site (CRM systems, accounting, etc.). The "webmaster"'s job can be a lot more like a circus ringleader, trying to keep everyone happy and plugged in.

    In line with the increasing managerial responsibilities, the title of "webmaster" may have disappeared into various "Information Systems" titles. The job is still there, somewhere, but it's called something different.
  • The answer is simple. What killed the webmaster? Specialization!

    The old time "webmaster" was a jack of all trades, doing design, HTML, managing your hosting account, submitting your site to search engines, and coding or subcontracting interactive scripts.

    But the web and the number of ways to create content and interactivity have expanded faster than any person's skillset can. Furthermore, people started seeing really slick, professional sites, and the "Geocities Home Page On Steroids" junk that a lot of webmasters were churning our just wasn't acceptable anymore.

    There are still "webmasters" where the web operation for a company or organization is kept in-house and limited to a single person. But when you get into concepts like economy of scale... if you don't need a full-time person (i.e. your site doesn't need that much active management), it's just cheaper to contract it out. And in most cases, the big, slick operations are getting those contracts.

    For the big slicks, it doesn't make sense to have a bunch of jacks of all trades, mastering none, doing merely acceptable jobs. It's better to have a team of specialists and parcel out different parts to the people who excel in those parts. You get slicker, better product, faster turnaround, and the employees are plug-and-play making a single point of failure less likely.

    As web sites needed to have more and varied pieces, demanded more expertise in more areas, the "webmaster" started to be replaced by the Graphic Designer, the Web Dev, the Server Jockey, the DBA, the SEO person, etc. It's sort of like math or science. A long, long time ago, it was possible for a single person to obtain the sum total of human knowledge in these disciplines. Now, you can't. You have to pick a specialty. People entering the world of web site construction and maintenance are finding that they have to pick a speciality too.

    There are webmasters out there, but they're being killed off by an environment that is growing ever more complex.
  • Ouch (Score:4, Funny)

    >an image of C.S. Lewis's Alice tumbling down a hole

    Both the author attribution, and the content of the article, belong to the wrong century.
    • Re:Ouch by kfg (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @05:16AM
    • Re:Ouch by y5 (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @09:34AM
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  • Webmasters are NOT dead! by incubuz1980 (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @03:06AM
    • Re:Webmasters are NOT dead! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Dachannien (617929) on Monday January 29 2007, @06:05AM (#17797588)
      (http://www.unity08.com/)
      So, in other words, it's incredibly convenient for the content creator, user-be-damned.

      Yes, yes, you said that Flash is ubiquitous, meaning it's not a hassle for the user to install. But who cares. I'm using a web browser, and it recognizes HTML and displays images without any additional installation on the part of the user, so Flash is no easier on the user than just plain HTML.

      The problem is that Flash generally contributes to web cruft, making it harder for the user to get what he wants: information. Now, this isn't necessarily Flash's fault. It's just a tool, like a gun or a Robot 1-X. But people use it wrong, and that's why people like me go to extra efforts to avoid it.

      Flash is really good for two things: (1) interactive content and (2) well-synchronized animation and sound requiring low bandwidth. That's great. In particular situations, I'll fire up my old IE (which still has Flash capabilities on my machine) to view a particular Flash crapplet that has a funny animation or an interesting interactive interface (like a web-based game). But 90% of the Flash out there is used for (3) site navigation. For the love of init, why?! This is, literally, what HTML was born for, yet webbastards continue churning out sites where there's only one URL, and the rest of the site is locked up in some colossal Flash crapplet that doesn't present any more information than a regular HTML design could provide, but has tons more fancy animations. It's like the blink tag for the third millennium.

      I realize your friend is probably a die-hard Flash fanatic, but I hope you'll share with him a line borrowed from another industry whose product is often abused: "Please, Flash responsibly!"

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    • Re:Webmasters are NOT dead! by linvir (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @06:43AM
    • Re:Webmasters are NOT dead! by izomiac (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @12:20PM
    • Re:Webmasters are NOT dead! by ivoras (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @03:32PM
    • Re:Webmasters are NOT dead! by sakshale (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @06:06PM
    • Re:Webmasters are NOT dead! by SanityInAnarchy (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @10:27PM
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  • You're kidding, right? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Gorshkov (932507) <<gorshkov> <at> <oghma.on.ca>> on Monday January 29 2007, @03:06AM (#17796776)
    From TFA:

    Yet, as anyone who's ever visited MySpace can attest, today content is king. With all of us simultaneously contributing and consuming on blogs, MySpace, YouTube, Flickr, Digg, and SecondLife, who needs a Webmaster anymore?


    Saying "Content is King" in the same sentence as Myspace et. al. is like saying an overflowing ashtray is a sign of productivity.
  • it ain't a 1 man job anymore by pddo (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @03:07AM
  • by lachlan76 (770870) <lachlan76@gmai[ ]om ['l.c' in gap]> on Monday January 29 2007, @03:11AM (#17796792)
    If there were so many webmasters back then, in the world of "flaming skulls, scrolling marquees, and rainbow divider lines", as the article states it, perhaps the world has just come to its senses and the clueless "webmasters" have died off, leaving the sites to competent programmers and designers.
  • by InfoHighwayRoadkill (454730) on Monday January 29 2007, @03:12AM (#17796794)
    (http://www.htmler.org/)
    This time last year my wife and I were eating in our favourite restaurant and got chatting to the couple on the table next to ours. Sooner or later the subject of work came up. I said I was a web developer. "we are web developers too" they said. It turns out they work from home just down the road from us. He does the backend asp coding and she does the front end and photography. They still churn their way through local SME businesses that want a 4 page brochure website. The thing is they make a good living out of it. Just as much as I can make in a large but specialised web development company.

    Yes "webmasters" are rare but they are not extinct.
  • became specialized (Score:3, Interesting)

    the job still exists, it's just called different things. since nowadays most sites of any significance are dynamic you are either an administrator or developer.

    if you just to page designs you are a 'wed developer' if you maintain the backend you are an administrator

    in summary, the job specialized into different fields because web sites are too diverse in nature for one job description to cover maintaining all the different types
    • Re:became specialized (Score:5, Informative)

      by pthisis (27352) on Monday January 29 2007, @05:21AM (#17797350)
      (Last Journal: Thursday October 03 2002, @10:53AM)
      Web developer to me means a programmer/coder kind of position that's usually seperate from page design except at very small sites--the person writing ASP/PHP/ColdFusion/Ruby on Rails/JSP/etc is a web developer, the person deciding that the page should look like this, with nav bars over here, and these fonts and colors is the page designer.

      In fact, the following are all different tasks (and I doubt the list is exhaustive by any stretch), though several may be done by one person at a particular site:

      Authors (content)

      Designers (layout)

      Usabilty/HCI developers

      Markup (Turning design into HTML code)

      Web developer (writing code that dynamically generates HTML)

      System developer (writing business logic components/back-end objects)

      Database developer/DBA

      Systems administrator

      There are often ancillary tasks too (tester, publisher, etc) and there are other important tasks that people don't tend to conflate with those so I didn't list them (e.g. project manager, sales, etc).

      For a small site there might be just one person doing the whole list, or everything but content and possibly design. In my experience, though, the most common places to seperate tasks if you have just 2 people working on the site are either right above the web designer on the list, or in many cases just the content is one person.

      Where I work the line items are mostly seperate except that design, usability, and markup are done by the same people (and they'll often get involved with content), the senior system developers are also the DBAs, and there's a fair amount of overlap between some of the system developers and web developers (some work is strictly segregated between the two, some is more tightly bound).

      Of course, lines often get blurred.
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  • VOD (Score:4, Funny)

    by Ibag (101144) on Monday January 29 2007, @03:15AM (#17796806)
    Is there any chance that Video (on Demand) killed the webmaster? He wouldn't be the first victim...
    • Re:VOD by Joebert (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @03:45AM
      • Re:VOD by spootle (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @05:11AM
      • Re:VOD by Jesus_666 (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @05:20AM
  • Video did by Bob54321 (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @03:15AM
    • Re:Video did by CmdrGravy (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @04:31AM
  • Nobody (Score:4, Insightful)

    by popo (107611) on Monday January 29 2007, @03:16AM (#17796814)
    Webmasters are still around.

    The entire web isn't made up of Web 2.0 community-generated content sites.
    And even if you've got the latest greatest custom CMS -- someone's got to maintain it.
    Newspapers and magazines still have webmasters -- those are publications with
    dozens of writers, editors, photo editors and community features.

    Most of the web is still (and will always be) about content, and not all content
    exists on blogs and news aggregators. (Although, TFA is correct in its observation that
    an increasing amount of it is). Enterprise level publishing still requires webmasters
    to manage increasingly complex sites with multiple integrated systems, databases
    servers, ad networks and a distributed team of editors, writers and programmers.

    If you're the New York times, WebMD, iVillage, MSN, etc. a WordPress install isn't
    going to replace your webmaster.

    I think a better question might be: who killed the low level webmaster?

    • Re:Nobody by timmarhy (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @04:17AM
  • I think... (Score:4, Insightful)

    ...that, as technology moved on, there just weren't enough webmasters around who were good at their job. In the early days of the web, just having a website was enough to be taken reasonably seriously as a professional. Back in those days, all you needed to know was a little HTML (and not even HTML 4, depending how early on, never mind CSS, JavaScript, Flash or cross-browser compatibility) and you needed a few writing skills. Nowadays, the bar is a little higher. Nowadays, a "webmaster" would have to be a competent designer, competent developer *and* a fairly skilled writer, not to mention a pretty good moderator, since so many websites nowadays have a community.

    People who are good at all of that are far and few between, so instead of having one mythical webmaster who does everything, it makes more sense to have the tasks split up into different jobs: Web designer, web developer and content provider (which may be any sort of professional, for example marketing or journalism, or the website user himself).
  • Hey, by WhatDoIKnow (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @03:19AM
    • Re:Hey, by Joebert (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @03:49AM
    • Re:Hey, by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @04:22AM
    • Re:Hey, by kfg (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @05:29AM
  • The webmaster never responded to email by hopeyj (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @03:20AM
  • Obvious by edwardpickman (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @03:20AM
  • Who did it? by Der Huhn Teufel (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @03:22AM
    • Re:Who did it? by SnprBoB86 (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @11:50AM
  • Chuck by TheSexican (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @03:23AM
  • I killed the... by Burning Plastic (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @03:24AM
  • by gbobeck (926553) on Monday January 29 2007, @03:26AM (#17796854)
    (http://www.etl.luc.edu/ | Last Journal: Monday December 11 2006, @05:40AM)
    I did a rather quick search on monster.com (results: http://jobsearch.monster.com/Search.aspx?q=webmast er&fn=&lid=&re=130&cy=us&JSNONREG=1 [monster.com] ), and as of 1/29/2007 2:30 (GMT-6), there are 189 listings for "webmaster"

    I also did a quick search on moster.com (results: http://jobsearch.monster.com/Search.aspx?q=radio%2 0star&fn=&lid=&re=0&cy=us&JSNONREG=1&pg=1 [monster.com] ) , and as of 1/29/2007 2:30 (GMT-6), there are 24 listings for "radio star", thus proving that Video didn't kill the radio star.

    Of course, you can take these results for what they are worth. After all, I got 371 results when I searched for "nose picker" on monster.com ( http://jobsearch.monster.com/Search.aspx?q=nose%20 picker&fn=&lid=&re=0&cy=us&JSNONREG=1&pg=1 [monster.com] )
  • Not gone, just changed by retro128 (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @03:29AM
  • Better tools, different methods (Score:5, Interesting)

    by rabiddeity (941737) on Monday January 29 2007, @03:31AM (#17796878)
    (http://www.randomwisdom.com/)
    Your previous generation of self-appointed "webmasters" were the first folks on the scene. This was before most people even knew what a hyperlink was, let alone HTML. Therefore, being able to hack together a page that would render properly was a rare ability. It was a new form of media, with its own rules, and it was trying to borrow aesthetically from print media. So you had a bunch of "pages" that, honestly, looked like crap (partly because the people with skills were focusing more on functionality than form, and partly because nobody knew what a good "web page" was supposed to look like).

    Gradually, programmers started making better tools so that less technically-inclined people could jump in and try things. Some of these folks were artists, and some rather beautiful and elegant layouts were developed. At about the same time, tools started popping up that allowed people to type content into a text box and have it appear with the proper formatting applied, or have the data be automatically imported and formatted from a database. With this, the amount of content on the web increased dramatically. A webmaster's focus was on editing and uploading individual HTML files (a comparatively laborious task compared to entering something into a blog post form), and at the same time he had to compete directly with the better designs and layouts from the art pool.

    So what happened? The more technically oriented webmasters became LAMP specialists or coders (and the bottom of the barrel started making IE-only pages). The more artistically inclined ones discovered CSS and Dreamweaver and went on to contribute to a prettier and easier to use web. A very small minority with talents in both areas got fantastic jobs and made lots of money making tools for artists or better interfaces (dynamic HTML, slide-out widgets, WYSIWYG in forms). And the rest? Well, you don't get very far if you can't adapt.
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  • Obligatory South Park Style Statement by gbobeck (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @03:35AM
  • No one killed him by warrior_s (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @03:36AM
    • Re:No one killed him (Score:4, Funny)

      by Walt Dismal (534799) on Monday January 29 2007, @04:08AM (#17797068)
      I speculate that obligatory uniform for the Webmistress is black mesh stockings, a corset, hornrimmed glasses, and a pocket protector. Oh yeah, I forgot - a whip and a slide rule, too.
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  • Let's see how Wordpress holds up. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by XorNand (517466) * on Monday January 29 2007, @03:36AM (#17796910)
    ::Wince:: A WordPress blog making the frontpage of Slashdot (my blog nonetheless). FYI, I'm using the WP-Cache [mnm.uib.es] Wordpress plugin to help keep the thing online. If it stays up, it's almost certainly because of that functionality. The software itself is running on a pretty much idle, dedicated Xeon box in a datacenter.
  • I did. by Mantrid42 (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @03:41AM
  • Simple by fulgan (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @03:48AM
  • the tools maybe.. by phreakv6 (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @03:52AM
  • Spam ... by MSojka (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @04:06AM
    • Re:Spam ... by b0s0z0ku (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @04:21AM
  • Content management killed him by Opportunist (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @04:09AM
  • any schmuck can do it thats why. by timmarhy (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @04:11AM
  • Did it ever exist? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by pubjames (468013) on Monday January 29 2007, @04:13AM (#17797096)
    The premise of this article is just dumb. "Webmaster" was never a profession - the term is just dumb and that's why it's no longer used. There are a lot of well paid, in-demand web developers, designers and administrators out there, but I expect most of them would object if you called them "webmaster".
  • Who Killed the Webmaster? by professorfalcon (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @04:35AM
  • It was ... by j3tt (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @04:44AM
  • I'm not dead, just sleeping (Score:4, Insightful)

    by CmdrGravy (645153) on Monday January 29 2007, @04:46AM (#17797216)
    (http://www.joe-bunting.com/club)
    I was a webmaster. The first thing I did was build a Content Management System so the people who were actually going to use the website could update it themselves. Once I'd added all the initial content, trained up the users and fixed some bugs there was nothing for me to do any longer so I went and did something else.

    I'm sure this is a typical experience.
  • I did by 91degrees (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @04:57AM
  • My take... by Nitroadict (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @05:15AM
  • Who killed the webmaster? by p3w-451 (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @05:21AM
  • This is The News by berenixium (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @05:22AM
  • what happen? by martin-boundary (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @05:25AM
  • Market Forces... by bm_luethke (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @05:33AM
  • Evolution. Nothing more. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by pla (258480) on Monday January 29 2007, @05:40AM (#17797436)
    (Last Journal: Monday April 03 2006, @07:23PM)
    Yet in 2007, this person has somehow vanished; even the term is scarcely mentioned. What happened?

    Two things...

    First, the task formerly called "webmaster" really didn't involve all that much real "skill" - During the dotcom boom it paid well, but damn sure shouldn't have. In general, you had two types of people doing the job - Real coders tasked with keeping the company website updated in their "spare" time, and wannabe coders who could handle HTML but not much else. Sorry, that sounds harsh, but it does set the stage.

    Enter easy-to-use WYSIWIG page editing tools, AJAX, Buzzword 2.0, and what-have you. These changes, over time, have radically segregated the web into two distinct subgroups: We have the coders I previously put in group #1 now spending a much more significant chunk of their time maintaining fairly complex systems, but still not enough to dedicate a full-time engineer to for anything except a few megasites (and on them, they have whole teams of people working on something much more similar to a real software project than to the traditional "web site"); group #2 has no role in that, and has taken to blogging, vanishing into the masses as everyone and their brother pretends the world wants to hear about their breakfast and latest messy romance.


    So what happened to the "webmaster" of old? Simple - the job outgrew most of its practitioners, but still hasn't made it far enough (with a few exceptions, of course) that real engineers would give it first billing on their resumes.
  • I did... by tcdk (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @05:47AM
  • That depends... by Wizard052 (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @05:48AM
  • Webmasters gone (to create their own porn sites) by AnnuitCoeptis (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @05:55AM
  • Because Webmaster is actually three jobs ... by wjeff (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @06:18AM
  • am i the only one? by Sh00tingstar (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @06:42AM
  • I was a Webmaster (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Qbertino (265505) on Monday January 29 2007, @07:25AM (#17798054)
    I was a Webmaster. Amongst other things in the field. Now Joomla [joomla.org] and the secretaries are doing the job nearly just as good as I ever could. And way cheaper and a milllion times faster. Journalists are moving in fast aswell. And nobody even needs DW anymore to do it. The last time I started DW was more than a year ago. I toyed around a bit for 5 minutes and thought of back in the days of 2000 when we were handlinking entire e-learn lectures with the DW crosshairs and DWs offline template engine. It took us hours to do what any OSS LMS I can download in 3 minutes does in an instant.

    Now I make my money setting up the CMS, customizing it, building webapps and designing databases.

    The Webmaster went the way of the weaver when the mechanical loom came. And that's a good thing. No need for humans anymore. Automate it and move on. It's a big wave and it's called cyberpunk. Learn to ride it.
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  • The webmaster killed himself by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @07:29AM
  • Your call is very important to us (Score:3, Insightful)

    by gelfling (6534) on Monday January 29 2007, @07:50AM (#17798198)
    (http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Monday October 29, @07:20AM)
    Like hearing your call is very important and is being recorded for quality purposes, which of course are both ridiculous lies, the notion that there is a man behind the curtain making sure your experience is good, is a quaint silly anachronism. No one cares if their website runs better than a C- average at best. Fewer care if your browser is compatible.
  • The term "webmaster" didn't work (Score:3, Informative)

    by miller60 (554835) on Monday January 29 2007, @08:00AM (#17798266)
    (http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/)
    I think there are two reasons for the low visibility of "webmaster." One is that the term fell out of favor, as it was too broad and meant different things to different people. I stopped using it, because every conversation about "webmaster" skills was followed by more conversation to ensure that we were talking about the same thing. Blogs, CMS systems and Web 2.0 apps have also made it possible for lots of folks to create web content without having to learn webmaster skills. That's been a good thing.

    Having said that, there are plenty of "webmasters" out there, with a broad range of web-related skills that defy easy categorization. If you read forums like Web Hosting Talk, Digital Point or SitePoint, you'll see lots of participants that that fit the general a description.

  • Strawman. He answered himself in point #1 by smchris (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @08:09AM
  • I'm still a webmaster... by dbmasters (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @08:44AM
  • Video Killed the Webmastar by Fuzzums (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @08:50AM
  • ... I know! by larpon (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @09:10AM
  • The wwwebmaster isn't dead... by Monoliath (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @09:10AM
  • job function / requirements have changed by smash (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @09:18AM
  • by RembrandtX (240864) on Monday January 29 2007, @09:23AM (#17799124)
    (http://www.code-geek.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday April 24 2003, @11:04AM)
    Who killed the webmaster, what an interesting question.

    My last job, at a fortune 500 power tool manufacturing company, my title was actually 'Webmaster' and I hated it. I took the job in 2000, Coming from another large company, the one that 90% of you use for your cable modem in the U.S. There I was a 'Web Designer', or sometimes a 'Web Developer' .. they were never too clear on the title, and I had business cards for both at one point.

    In 1998, when I took the job at the 'Cable Company', they were just rolling out their Cable Modems, and looking for sales-men. Having spent the last five years local, and over the pond, selling metal toy soldiers, paint, and full colour hobby magazines to kids [or to reluctant store owners, who didn't understand that kids spend a lot of money on my former company's products.] I sent a resume in. I was hired. Quickly. And spent 6 months in the number one,two, or three spot on their sales floor.

    Someone, somewhere found out that I actually had a degree in Computer Science .. and started asking for help with the websites for the local markets. Then they asked about help with the servers, setting up software, database design, etc etc etc. And I was migrated into the roll.
    Lots and lots of work in a brand new 'field', learning something new every day.

    Skip forward to 2000, and I changed companies for a 50% pay increase. I figured any company willing to almost double my salary HAD to have a challenging environment. Woah boy was I wrong. Most of the other 'web masters' there knew html. maybe a little javascript out of a book. NONE of them had any experience in programming. My job quickly turned into churning out HTML filled spam-email, and endlessly updating the look-and-feel of a few corporate websites to keep up with marketing driven initiatives.

    I did get to write a cool football pick program for a well known cystic fibrosis charity the last year there though .. and we gave away like a dozen trips to Hawaii.

    I spent FIVE years there, trying to make my job a better one. But that great salary was becoming less so, as I had few raises. I was moved from my original department that had a bonus scheme - to another that didn't. [like a 10-15k a year pay cut on good years] I worked for a number of bosses who had NO idea what I could actually do, and when I tried to explain to them - couldn't understand what they didn't understand :P [Not their fault, advertising / marketing people are not code folks .. what did I expect ?]

    It got so I was embarrassed to mention my title to anyone in the company. I was doing NO real work, just busywork, and watching folks who went to other companies that I doing all the cool stuff, for the same or more money. I had chosen poorly.

    So .. I left .. Now i run a tech department at a start up doing some interesting stuff [http] and the future looks to be interesting, lucrative with some luck.

    So what killed the webmaster ? I think it was a little bit of a lot of things :

    Many early webmasters were code heads who learned html early on, and went with it. Hacking away at a new idea was like breathing to those guys. These guys became in high demand, as there were very few full time coders who wanted to give that up for 'html' crap, but people did give it up, when the salaries surpassed what they were making. With clear second site, it seemed such easy work for good money .. a cake walk. Those people go t bored. Most left.

    The other kind of early webmaster was the person who saw html code, and dremweaver or (shudder) frontpage, and set up shop as a webmaster, with no coding experience - and PROUD of the fact that they were self taught. They could do layout, many had a good eye for design, and carved a niche and hung on to it desperately in the early 2ks. There were LOTS of these guys.

    Throw on top of that the cha
  • "Web-Master" title is pretensious, we still have by walterbyrd (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @09:33AM
  • But I'm a webmaster... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @09:39AM
  • As if the Web would HAVE a Master... by starglider29a (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @09:40AM
  • Yesterday's Webmaster = Today's Wage Slave by monkeyboythom (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @09:47AM
  • I feel fine ... I'm not dead yet! by cascadingstylesheet (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @10:01AM
  • very true... by Grinin (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @10:03AM
  • If I Did It..... by SkyDude (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @10:15AM
  • Heehee by kitsunewarlock (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @10:24AM
  • Popularity Killed the Webmaster by Tavor (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @10:52AM
  • Y2k done did it by deviceb (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @10:55AM
  • I shot the Webmaster by GodInHell (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @11:00AM
  • the admins ate him by Shads (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @11:04AM
  • Rebranded by kaoshin (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @11:29AM
  • The "WebMaster" is obsolete by TBone (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @11:33AM
  • I feel a little strange by xevioso (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @12:29PM
  • They were killed by the idiots... by WebGuyCS (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @12:30PM
  • well well well by DragonTHC (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @01:00PM
  • No One by denmarkw00t (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @01:22PM
  • Need a definition here. by e-scetic (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @01:57PM
  • His name is... by space tyrant xenu (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @01:59PM
  • Dot Com Bust Relics by DynaSoar (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @02:52PM
  • Grrr by gravis777 (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @03:16PM
  • webmaster origins.... by sloth jr (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @03:57PM
  • Funny thing.. by antdah (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @05:15PM
  • it was CMS by paxmaniac (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @08:04PM
  • Jack Bauer killed the webmaster by charlesbakerharris (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @11:41PM
  • Web Developers are not Web Developers by Barnz (Score:1) Thursday February 01 2007, @04:43PM
  • -o-o-o- by Savage-Rabbit (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @04:07AM
  • Re:Webmaster was the gayest title ever by 91degrees (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @05:02AM
  • Webmasters wanted (Score:4, Informative)

    by byolinux (535260) * on Monday January 29 2007, @05:22AM (#17797356)
    (Last Journal: Friday December 08 2006, @04:28PM)
    This seems like a good opportunity to recruit more webmasters for the GNU Project.

    If you know your GNU from your Linux, and you fancy the chance to work on a very popular website, www.gnu.org, then please drop me an email...

    mattl at gnu dot org - put 'slashdot webmastering' in the subject please :)
    [ Parent ]
  • Re:I'm here (Score:5, Insightful)

    by AngryNick (891056) on Monday January 29 2007, @09:16AM (#17799020)
    (http://angrynick.googlepages.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday February 18 2006, @08:58PM)
    I agree... the "Webmaster" role is still around, only the people playing the role are different. The old webmaster role was the geeky dude who you went to when you wanted to establish a "presence" on the web. We paid them to crank out crappy-looking pages with flaming GIFs [animatedgif.net], whacked backgrounds [backgroundcity.com], and nothing to say [pointlesssites.com].

    While the focus in 1999 was "getting in the game," the focus today is content and market awareness. As a result, we've moved web publishing from the IT department to the communications and marketing departments. The IT department builds the framework and they MBA-types type in the marketing babble.

    Given the ongoing disconnect between IT and business, I think it's a pretty logically evolution. Why would I let someone with no people skills greet my customers?
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    • Re:I'm here by Coco Lopez (Score:1) Monday January 29 2007, @10:17AM
      • Re:I'm here by AngryNick (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @10:35AM
    • Re:I'm here by Shadow99_1 (Score:2) Monday January 29 2007, @10:56AM
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  • It was me! by Goldberg's Pants (Score:1) Tuesday January 30 2007, @01:47AM
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