Facebook Apps Facing Delays and Uncertainties 82
NewsCloud writes "After reading about the Facebook platform launch, I spent the next week learning the API and building my application. Facebook's platform has been pretty successful despite complaints of poor documentation, instability and outcries over its application approval process. I've been waiting two weeks for my application to be approved for their directory and had my account disabled (temporarily) after I invited a large number of colleagues. While I'm impressed with the potential of the platform, the experience has made me more concerned about the lack of transparency in privately held social networks and the risks we take as developers when we invest time in a company's platform. Facebook's home page advertises itself as "a social utility that connects you with the people around you." My concern with Facebook is that there's no one regulating the utility."
we are not having issues.. (Score:5, Insightful)
It sounds like they had concerns about your app being used as a/by a spam-harvester to abuse their network, and frankly I would be also cautious.
OMG! Facebook apps not working? (Score:5, Funny)
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Not just facebook (Score:5, Insightful)
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The where and why are left to corporate choice and chance. We know from http://whois.domaintools.com/facebook.com [domaintools.com] that facebook.com is in Palo Alto, was created in March of 1997 and 38% of recent visits to it are fro
Missing the point entirely (Score:5, Insightful)
Firstly, the documentation isn't fantastic, I agree, it's a relatively straight-forward REST api, and wouldn't you know it, the community of developers has been filling in the documentation gaps [facebook.com]
As for instability, it's been there for the most part, you have to understand that Facebook might lack of the 100% reliability you may think your own code has. Facebook developers aren't perfect, nor is it unusual for things to break when near 25 million active users a day pound on it (at the very least, tiny bugs, image caching collisions i'm looking at you, become big bugs. As a side note, that has to have been the most famous end-table on the planet before they fixed that bug).
Finally, I've seen the "outcries over its application approval process" and those are silly as well. A very tiny percent of users actually install the application from the directory. My applications have blown up because of making use of the viral tools provided by the platform, invites, news feed postings, etc. Applications like X-Me exploded to well over 100k users before it was even listed (congrats chips), the same went for Graffiti
No system, especially a third-party system you rely on as a developer is ever perfect, but it's barely been a month since the Facebook Platform, so crying foul is extremely premature. If your only concern is that there's no one regulating the utility, then you should go ask some of those Windows developers how much fun the Longhorn-Vista moving target of a platform has been. It's their API, their platform, their social network, they get to choose what goes on with their "utility."
I'm sure i'll be marked as a troll, but this just reads like the same gripes at the bottom of the barrel in the FB Developers discussion board for some time now.
Disclaimer: I was one of the F8 attendees, and have been developing for the platform for almost 2 months now
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The "myspace" factor depends on your friends' taste I think
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Facebook is turning into Myspace, anyone know of online social networking thing thats like the facebook of two years ago?
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I logged on, had 30 invites to Top Friends, 20 to Bestest Friends, 10 to Horoscope, 20 to graffiti and all this other crap that used to not be a part of Facebook. Instead of dealing with all that garbage, I quit Facebook. It used to be a nice networking application that served no real purpose. Now, Facebook seems to think it has a point.
I don't have a Facebook or a cell phone. I just hang around all the people I know all the time - if they want to talk to me, they just say "Travis." I say
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"Which guy?"
"Oh. You'll know."
(Mitch Hedberg for those of you who don't know)
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BZZZT! WRONG. Try clicking that little arrow looking thing . . OH WOW, it minimizes t
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The main reason FaceBook is better than MySpace is that it doesn't let you do a whole lot of things. It doesn't let you change your background to an an animated, pink and green GIF, it doesn't let you add the Hamster Dance as background music, it doesn't let you break the layout... basically, they saw everything that makes MySpace suck like an overpowered Hoover and just said "no."
I'm excited to see that Applications are going to
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Also, if you want static facebook pages, you are welcome to create those pages using their API: http://developers.facebook.com/documentation.php [facebook.com]
Their API allows you to re-create in total the facebook of 3 months ago.
Now, what these applications have been doing, the sheer number of them, is degrading facebook's performance. But that's true of a lot of sites that growing exponen
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The Parent hit it right on the head.
I'd also like to add the fact that a lot of these facebook apps and people complaining about the platform and documentation need to ask themselves 3 questions.
1. Does your app provide a meaningful way to supplement a user's experience without unnecessary clutter, or spammy behavior?
2. Does said app provide a means to interact with the Facebook community and user's in a unique way that enhances certain facebook functionalities, or brings all new functions that weren't
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Huh? (Score:1)
I'm stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
In term of failed platforms, I think I have a long list. I invested time in:
mIRC script
NWN1 scripting engine
Win 95 era Visual Basic
Access 97 era VBA
Notice anything in common about these platforms?
The final kick was Labview. It was a fun language and, as a student, I didn't have to pay for it. Now of course I'm not a student so to update and reuse some nifty things I wrote as a student I would need to pay hundreds for a run time. Not smart.
Of course it's not useless. A lot of the things I learned have helped when programming in proper languages (C/perl/java/occam etc), and leaning for learning's sake is never a waste. But all of the things I wrote are now useless because someone else owns the platform they run on and I can't get or afford the environment.
Older and smarter I would have to be getting a healthy wage to write anything in a closed tool. I might be interested in learning DirectX 10 to steal the best ideas, but if I decide I want to do some 3D visualisation I'll do it on openGL thank you. I will also write my tools in the UNIX style, with exposed APIs and designed in the most modular fashion possible, since it makes them far more valuable in the long run.
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LabVIEW is great for what its for: making systems for test and measurement. One of the systems I've recently worked on is a vision system which scans parts before going into other test systems (to maintain traceability). It uses a Cognex camera, Parker motion
back in the day.... (Score:4, Insightful)
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It's nothing like my space, that when you visit a profile you automatically start seeing an annoying slideshow or things like that.
In facebook you've gotta click something, always.
And about the colours, layout, etc, Facebook has done a nice work on keeping concistency, and developpers are following this lead.
The most you gonna get automatically with facebook's apps is some new im
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Whereas college students used to log into the site up to twelve times a day, that is no longer the case. Many college students that I know speak of being "tired" of Facebook. They only use it because there is nothing else with Facebook's
In a free market, the customer regulates (Score:4, Insightful)
In a free market, the customer regulates. In fact, by raising your concerns, you are doing it right now.
bring on the customer regulation! (Score:1)
I can count several different associates with dormant facebook accounts whom, if given the chance to be "rallied into" a particular facebook network by other facebook users, would gladly use the website (and benefit from the private, social network).
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Scared me away from it.
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which if you uncheck gives you the message
It all goes back to the simple addage, if you don't want your information available, don't put it online!
As far as I know (and I'd check if I was worried about it) applications only have access to your li
But the FREE MARKET! (Score:2, Funny)
But REGULATION is BAD and the FREE MARKET will SOLVE ALL PROBLEMS!
Social Networking RFC Anyone? (Score:5, Interesting)
Advertising revenue could be made by the "application" writers themselves, and the framework (something like Facebook) would become a commodity just like IRC became.
Facebook-like social networking without the corporate oversight could be a little more chaotic, but no more chaotic than every other distributed system on the Internet.
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I've already been working on this, and it's nearing completion. Appleseed [sourceforge.net] is the name of the project, and I'm using a custom protocol, but I'd be interested in talking with people who have experience with forming proper RFC's.
Re:Social Networking RFC Anyone? (Score:4, Interesting)
My project, Appleseed [sourceforge.net], does just that. All the distributed functionality is in place, and it's at the point of rounding out the functionality, optimization, and then bug testing and cleanup.
It's open source, and uses a custom protocol, which is also open, although I would be open to modifying up the protocol at this point to make it easier for other applications to use
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People use Facebook, MySpace, et al, because they require zero technical knowledge to use: the unfortunate downside is that people who do have technical smarts and still want to participate can't use open standards and their own hosting/platforms to do so.
About as likely as a search RFC (Score:2)
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In a decentralized system I get notifications in real-time on my screen, and if the person writing me is in the same city as I, then notification doesn't have
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http://www.foaf-project.org/ [foaf-project.org]
http://openid.net/ [openid.net]
Decentralized Social Networking (Score:1)
We have a decentralized trust metric system built into http://about.psyc.eu/ [about.psyc.eu]
which so far we use for surfing profiles along the social network - but we
are actually a messaging protocol and looking into using trust metrics for
multicast routing (not IP Multicast, more like IRC).
I can see we have an overlap with appleseed in the requirements for the
distributed trust model but we are heading different direction in their
application which means appleseed on top of our protocol could be a ma
Developers.. (Score:5, Interesting)
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They should make applets optional to viewers (Score:2)
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You can . . . try clicking that little arrow in the sections you dont wanna see.
Amazing isn't it.
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3. Profit!
It's a business - right? (Score:2)
Answered your own question didn't you? If you don't like the way that they run their company, then don't deal with them.
Who exactly do you think should "regulate" them? How?
Right (Score:3, Insightful)
Because we certainly don't want people going around doing things without permission, do we? An unregulated activity? How shocking!
Listen. It's a private company operating in an open market. If you don't like their rules take your business elsewhere. Want more "transparency"? Start your own "transparent" network.
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Platform Application Terms of Use (Score:1)
II. Consent Regarding Use of Facebook Site Information
(a) Information That May Be Provided to Developers. In order to allow you to use and participate in Platform Applications created by Developers ("Developer Applications"), Facebook may from time to time provide Developers access to the following information (collectively, the "Facebook Site Information"):
(i) any information provided by you and visible to you on the Facebook Site, excluding any of your Contact Information, and
(ii) the user ID associated with your Facebook Site profile.
(b) Examples of Facebook Site Information. The Facebook Site Information may include, without limitation, the following information, to the extent visible on the Facebook Site: your name, your profile picture, your gender, your birthday, your hometown location (city/state/country), your current location (city/state/country), your political view, your activities, your interests, your musical preferences, television shows in which you are interested, movies in which you are interested, books in which you are interested, your favorite quotes, the text of your "About Me" section, your relationship status, your dating interests, your relationship interests, your summer plans, your Facebook user network affiliations, your education history, your work history, your course information, copies of photos in your Facebook Site photo albums, metadata associated with your Facebook Site photo albums (e.g., time of upload, album name, comments on your photos, etc.), the total number of messages sent and/or received by you, the total number of unread messages in your Facebook in-box, the total number of "pokes" you have sent and/or received, the total number of wall posts on your Wall, a list of user IDs mapped to your Facebook friends, your social timeline, and events associated with your Facebook profile.
When one tries to add any application to their profile, it says, from which the above was quoted (emphasis mine):
Brief blurb. By clicking 'add', you agree to the Platform Application Terms of Use [facebook.com].
This guy is a spammer. (Score:3, Interesting)
From the article: I saw a real opportunity for my site to reach a large new audience without a big marketing expense.
In other words, this guy had figured out a way to spam via Facebook. And he's complaining that they didn't process his application for a developer ID fast enough.
death to socialism (Score:2)
Tollbooth to social relationship (Score:1)
Mostly you can expect this not to happen, and if it does there is always the phone and e-mail
Wikis? (Score:1)
facebook vs myspace (Score:1)
Facebook approved my application today (sunday) (Score:1)
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