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One is fine the other is creepy (Score:5, Interesting)
Display: fine. You can look at whatever you want while facing me.
Sensor: creepy. I don't want you sending anything I do to advertisers.
Remember (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Remember (Score:4, Funny)
I suffer from short term memory loss and this is exactly the kind of tool that would help. ...wait...what were we talking about?
It beats tattoos.
Re:Remember (Score:5, Funny)
I suffer from short term memory loss and this is exactly the kind of tool that would help. ...wait...what were we talking about?
Squirrels.
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Just because you smoke a lot of pot doesn't mean that you're suffering. ;)
Re:Remember (Score:4, Interesting)
I use my phone's camera to record unmemorable but unusual things that happen throughout the day. Helps jog my memory.
Re:One is fine the other is creepy (Score:4, Interesting)
Another reason to stay indoors now - might be filmed by a user and analysed by Google. Frightening.
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I'm looking forward to much more of this, though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPW8xmI4w6U [youtube.com]
(both from people using Glass and not paying attention to where they're going, and from people who use Glass to surreptitiously collect more funny gaffes from others a /whee/ bit faster than people can currently whip out their cellphones)
I'm not frightened, though. The whole point of being a technologist is knowing how to master it.
If that means turning off my Glass before looking at things that look vaguely like
Re:One is fine the other is creepy (Score:5, Insightful)
If that means turning off my Glass before looking at things that look vaguely like dildos so I don't get spammed with sex aids in my contextually-aware adstream, then so be it
How are you intending to know what something looks like before you look at it?
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I'm not too keen on being recorded.
On the plus side, the erosion of an illusion of privacy in public will accelerate Solarisation. Our homes will eventually become our bastions, which we will rarely leave. There will be no need to, and too many privacy implications if we do.
Re: Solarisation? (Score:5, Interesting)
The capital S was not unintentional.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaria [wikipedia.org]
In short, it's a symbol for a future utopia (or dystopia, depending on who you ask) where isolationism is taken to the extreme, and privacy laws are absolute. What you present to the outside world is what you want to present, and what you want to hide, you have the full right to hide. As long as you stay within the borders of your home and property.
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And when you're too poor to afford the privacy of your own home, I'm sure Big Brother Googlecorp will help you afford a Google Telescreen to watch every room of your apartment (good luck finding an apartment without one; your slumlord will *know* you must be up to nefarious business if you're unwilling to submit to automated good behavior monitoring).
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I'm thinking that by home that includes places you rent. I guess people living on park benches are fucked. Of course, they're already fucked.
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A matter of signalling (Score:3, Insightful)
When you hold your cell phone up, rather than looking down at it, I have a clue you may be taking photos or videos. I can turn away or walk away if I don't want to be on your facebook page. But most of the time you aren't doing that. Right?
If you have a camera always facing where you are looking, and everyone knows you have a camera facing where you are looking, then you are always potentially recording people, and you may find it common for people to look away or walk away from you.
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Google analysis:
You sir, are a sharp dressed man. Cueing music now.
Would you care to buy some new khakis? [Y/n]
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that's my thought. I can see uses for the heads up display tech. but i don't want the camera or voice control functions.
Camera is creepy, the voice control is stupid. Talking is the least effective way of communicating commands.
Re:One is fine the other is creepy (Score:5, Funny)
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When this was announced I was thinking about that. I even went so far as to send an email into the aether (I never got a response) stating that the voice control was probably the worst possible implementation that I thought they could use.
I suggested that they develop an Android app that functioned as a remote control. I also suggested that they include a small remote control (wireless, of course) with a "nipple" for navigation and a couple of buttons for selection and menu access. I believe my email also s
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I believe that the remote should have come with the device as a standard controller. Using voice control methods is a strange choice in my opinion and will likely mean that there are issues with it in noisy environments. A coupling with another form of control would be a later added feature too though I would suggest implementing it for the first release. Other than that, well, I'm unsure of what suggestions I made that should come later? The recording indicator light was included in the initial release. As
Dorky (Score:5, Informative)
Dorky
Re:Dorky (Score:5, Interesting)
Hardly a hipster. I'm pretty geeky myself, and even I think GG is dorky. And it's *your* shallowness that keeps you from seeing it.
GG is dorky because when you are wearing it you are willing to let a piece of non-critical technology come between you and your interaction with real-life people. It tells people that that gadget is more important to you than unobstructed vision and uninterrupted attention.
When you wear a bluetooth headset as you go about your day, you are telling people that your phone is more important than the use of that ear, or your uninterrupted attention.
That is, they tell people gadgets are more important to you than people.
That is dorky.
Someday there will be a less obstructive, less intrusive, less unfashionable way of doing the things those gadgets do, and there will be ways to discretely use them when needed and render them both inoperable and invisible when not needed. In the meantime it's probably useful that people who are more interested in gadgets than in people provide a market to develop these devices, but right now they are not invisible or nonintrusive enough for normal, social people to not be put off by their presence.
Re:Dorky (Score:5, Insightful)
That is the best summary I have yet seen as to the problems someone who is inherently a technologist can see with the product.
The other aspect of this I find troubling in a consumer product, is that SO MUCH money is spent getting rid of glasses - Lasick, contacts, etc. - that I can't see how they can find much of a market that wants bulky things you have to wear on your head all the time.
Even he watches like Pebble, I can see some appeal to them for normal people even though I don't want one myself (got rid of watches years ago). But Google Glasses, I cannot see the appeal outside of a very tiny minority.
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I was skiing with my brother; between our spouses on the mountain, and tracking kids in ski school, we were trying to text, call etc. So, given all the gear you have on and the very cold weather, grabbing your phone out of your jacket is a problem. Having something like this, in the $150 - $250 dollar range seems like a reasonable solution to me.
No, I would not just wear them around, just like I would not wear ski goggles instead of sunglasses
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You've essentially just described the average person's interaction with smart phones. I see people constantly distracted by smart phones at every spare moment. On the elevator, on the bus, waiting for the train, etc. Technology gets between real life interaction with people constantly. GG isn't really terribly revolutionary in that respect
Yes, your attention to your phone makes it look like you aren't in the here and now. It's probably why people considered it rude even before phones were so multi-function.
But the glasses are even worse, because you *can't* indicate your complete attention without taking them off. You *can* look up from a smart phone, and people can see they have your attention. With the glasses, even if you intend to give your undivided attention, and even if the thing isn't displaying something at the moment, you still don
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This technology has the potential to radically change our lives, for the better and for the worse in so many ways.
So did the Segway, as so many famous people who got a sneak peak exclaimed after seeing it. What is the first thing anyone thinks when they see someone riding a Segway?
Dorky.
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This technology has the potential to radically change our lives, for the better and for the worse in so many ways.
So did the Segway, as so many famous people who got a sneak peak exclaimed after seeing it. What is the first thing anyone thinks when they see someone riding a Segway?
Dorky.
Lazy and dorky.
I've seen them in the wild twice: Chilling Effect (Score:5, Interesting)
Last night a company I'm helping build had a booth at Uncubed NYC. A guy came over with the glasses at the end of the night. He had a drink in his hand and had obviously been taking advantage of the free booze. He was an MBA-type douche with obnoxious semi-slurred questions about our app (ex. "So, why can't Google just build this?).
As soon as he came over you could tell that everyone stiffened up and our attitudes changed. It changes how you respond to people's questions, how you act.
In a nutshell, Google Glass blows.
Re:I've seen them in the wild twice: Chilling Effe (Score:5, Funny)
Sounds like he was a "glasshole"...
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Of course, if people really want to record you clandestinely, they just use any of the dozens of tiny camera form factors that you don't even notice.
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If someone really wants to, yes, but how likely is that? The problem with the glasses is now it's going to be a trendy thing to randomly film people without them realizing, and all kinds of people are going to find all sorts of embarassing things posted on the internet for the world to see and laugh at.
Chance that someone has gone out and bought a expensive clandestine camera just to follow me around and see if I scratch my balls or try to hit on someone who's out of my league at the local bar: 0.
Chance tha
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Yes, chances are climbing that you'll get recorded, but so what? It's already illegal to publish such photos. And places where you can have an expectation of privacy can already prohibit photography on their property. Oh, and as for expensive, spy cameras go for around $20.
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Oh, well, as long as something is illegal then there's nothing to worry about, is there.
Perhaps we should criminalise assault and murder. Just a thought.
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And children. Since there are so many "won't somebody think of the children" issues around it seems pretty clear where the real problem lies.
Criminalize children - problem dealt with.
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Of course, if people really want to record you clandestinely, they just use any of the dozens of tiny camera form factors that you don't even notice.
Totally agree. BTW, nice shirt.
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The bottom line is, even when people wearing these are recording, you're not the recording. You're scenery at most, obvious exceptions excluded.
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Were people bothered by him being drunk or wearing the glasses? Unfortunately anecdotal evidence from uncontrolled experiments in the wild isn't much use to anyone.
I tend to agree that the effects will be chilling though.
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I'm not looking forward to the day these become common.
Would suck to have guests coming over to one's home wearing these; recording / streaming the home's interior.
My policy: take 'em off before you step in.
Facial recognition (Score:5, Interesting)
I sense a lot of people will start hiding their facial features to not be recognized by software.
http://cvdazzle.com/ [cvdazzle.com]
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Gonna be fun in all those countries where hiding your face in public is not allowed by law (laws typically designed against Muslim-style burka gowns, but of course written broader and in a non-discriminatory sense).
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Hehehe, you're on to something there =)
I wonder if it could be called "hiding" in a legal term if people are capable of recognizing you, but software isn't.
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Hehehe, you're on to something there =)
I wonder if it could be called "hiding" in a legal term if people are capable of recognizing you, but software isn't.
Something that I could pick out with my eyes as a commonality with all 4 models which were "hidden" from recognition: hair coming down the middle of their face. From the looks of the 4th model (the one with the crimson hair in the middle) that's really all that's needed to defeat this program. It doesn't seem like hiding is really that difficult.
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I recall that there was an article mentioning that facial recognition software could be foiled by wearing paint on your face. The functioning examples of this looked like the "dazzle camouflage" used on some of the ships during WWII. So, yeah, it looks like that can be defeated but, of course, you're running around looking like the USS Fuzzbudget or something.
Maybe those ICP fans were on to something? Hmm... Nope.
Invasive (Score:5, Insightful)
Apple does things a little differently, (Score:2)
Apple has been running a handsomely produced series of adds showing the iPhone being used as a traditional hand-held camera, a later-day Kodak. Each set piece a thousand light years removed from the creepy open mouthed geek in the shower who went viral as the defining image of Google Glass.
-- The Segway. The Bluetooth headset. The pocket protector.
What do these three technologies have in common? They all pretty much work as promised. They all seem like good ideas on paper. And they're all too dorky to live.
Now, far be it from me to claim that nerdiness equals lack of popularity potential. But I contend that dorkiness and nerdiness are two different qualities. While nerdiness implies a certain social awkwardness that's ultimately endearing, dorkiness connotes social obliviousness that opens you to deserved ridicule.
Will these guys make Google Glass uncool? [cnn.com]
Larry Page on Robert Scoble's Google Glass stunt: 'I really didn't appreciate the shower photo' [theverge.com]
Annoying (Score:2)
Why the heck do I have to keep hearing about this?
I hate how they look. I hate knowing that they're potentially recording 24/7. I hate knowing that glazed look in your eye while I am speaking with you now may have nothing to do with what I am saying. (at least with a phone I know you're preoccupied)
In fact I despise the entire idea for for everyone except me.
Awkward (Score:3)
They would need to be a lot less obviously what they are.
Obviously... (Score:3)
Why Are You So Special? (Score:2, Insightful)
I don't understand this "I don't want to be recorded" that people always go on about with this. Seriously, what is so special about you that a stranger would want to record you?
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I don't understand this "I don't want to be recorded" that people always go on about with this. Seriously, what is so special about you that a stranger would want to record you?
That depends.
You could be a teenaged girl in Cleveland.
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Exactly because I'm not so special. (Score:5, Insightful)
If I'm not so special, then why do my mundane activities need to be recorded? What benifit does it serve? Certainly not mine; the activities being recording are so unexceptional the only people to gain by having a recording of them are my loved ones who want a momento of the event or people looking for dirt on me. If I don't know you, but you are sending video of me into some cloud service, then no good can possibly come to me as a result. The most likely outcome is that nothing will come of it. But that is also the best case. The less likely cases are that I could loose my job, or be convicted of some bullshit crime.
I can appreciate the argument that you shouldn't do things in public that you don't want people to know. However the areas that are considered a "public space" has been expanding conciderably to the point where your personal home is the only real private space. But people aren't solitary creatures. They need to be able to congregate with others like them without having their activities scrutinized by the entire world, just by the community that they are interacting with. We need freedom to not spend our lives living like a PR representative on the stage every hour that we are outside of our homes.
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"If I'm not so special, then why do my mundane activities need to be recorded? "
They aren't. I can't imagine any Glass wearer would waste battery life and storage recording you - or any other person. Expect Glass wearers to use it just like we all use phone cams and videos already. Except unlike phones, with Glass you have a decent chance of knowing when somebody takes your picture.
And this is what I find baffling: people are fine with hidden stills and filmclips taken by phones all over the place, but frea
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Once the battery life improves people will use them like dashcams - always on, recording everything just in case something happens and the footage is needed as evidence.
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It isn't as if it is currently impossible for a disgusting creep to record video of your girlfriend, not only do a large number have phones that have a camera, but wearable cameras have been around for quite while. And they are much less expensive than Glass will be.
Oldfashioned (Score:2)
The Borg (Score:2)
Saw someone in my local Safeway with one. It made him look like Locutus ...
Missing option (Score:2)
This is kinda singularity-ish. It makes me express pretty much every emotion at once.
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Not sure about the singularity part, but to me it's definitely all of the above (well, maybe except for "short-sighted", unless that was meant literally after all of the Google Glass users come down with mysterious ocular syndromes).
Two generations away from being usable (Score:2)
Snow Crash (Score:5, Interesting)
Google Glass-like devices were predicted in Neal Stephenson's 1992 novel Snow Crash [wikipedia.org].
In the book, the wearers are called "gargoyles".
Here are a couple quotes from the book that I found online.
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Somewhat ironically, I remember listening to a podcast about some professor who developed a one-handed keyboard and then developed the skill to type as fast as people can talk. Then, with one hand in his pocket, was able to record in text every conversation he had during his work day.
I think he started doing this back in the late 70's, and at the time of the podcast, had arranged a wearable eye piece that would enable him to search through the conversations. This means that while you're talking to him, he c
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You know it had to.
Myopic (Score:2)
Literally.
Adjective (Score:2)
Psychosassic.
Looking ahead it gets even creepier (Score:2)
In the future, software will be able to characterize what you've seen, recognize and label people, places and things you've seen, and organize your day's live recording into easily scan-able and searchable chapters.
*That* will enable true creepiness.
Right now it's unlikely you'll take the time to record your interaction with or your sight of me, and even less unlikely you'll edit it and post it somewhere as an interesting event, and even less unlikely someone else will find it interesting enough to view.
But
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...and even less unlikely you'll edit it and post it somewhere as an interesting event, and even less unlikely someone else will find it interesting enough to view.
That should have been even less likely, both times. Sigh.
Oblig Dr Who Reference (Score:2)
google glass (Score:2)
Interferes with eye contact (Score:2)
The eye it partially obstructs is the eye most people focus on when they are talking to you. So when you are wearing them people can't really even look you in the eye without constantly dodging the device in the way, and switching unnaturally to the left eye.
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You know, that was my first thought. But you know, it seems to me that the Borg is kind of a short sighted vision. Gene Roddenberry was never very good at going more than 40 years into the future with any of his technology detail predictions. After all, we are now, further along than he thought we would be in the 23rd century, minus holy grail technologies like warp drive, which he knew would take more than a century to figure out. If we ever do see the Borg happen, it'll be with technology so small, that s
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If we ever do see the Borg happen, it'll be with technology so small, that something like glass would be rendered totally unnecessary. In fact, even without a borg singularity, glass is a rough prototype at this point. Five iterations in, you won't even know it's there.
As any Trekkie knows, it'll be transparent aluminum anyhow.
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Gene Roddenberry was never very good at going more than 40 years into the future with any of his technology detail predictions.
It doesn't really matter how far into the future the author of the script is looking. The only thing that matters is how the viewers are going to accept that.
Try to make a movie today about a programmer's day at the office, and then show it to the audience of 1900's. Will that work with them? But a good old western will work because the audience understands what's going on. You
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Try to make a movie today about a programmer's day at the office, and then show it to the audience of 1900's.
The 1900s were only a little over a decade ago. Some of us were programming in the 1900s. Now get off my lawn. ;)
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I, for one, welcome our...
crap, how does that go again? I'm going to need to look it up somehow...
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Expectations come from what *people expect* --- not some Google-given principles handed down from on high. Plenty of people do expect that, while their actions in public aren't strictly concealed from view, they also aren't being constantly recorded by a band of paparazzi stalkers, to be analyzed and archived by some massive server farm. Google Glass shifts the frequency, pervasiveness, and centralization of surveillance. You're the douche for wanting to dictate to everyone what their expectations should be
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Just curious, but when did Google said they would be uploading the photos to their servers. Or rather, when did they say it was going to be that way because YES? Surely you'd be able to store it in local memory and at the end of the day check them/delete them/upload them to where you want, no? Just like any other camera?
Not to say there won't be those that will take and upload, but I'm asking about the possibility of using it, you know, as a non-connected camera?
That, and how different is it from somebody p
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This is slashdot. People assume Google will store all the data they could possibly get access to, and they will present those assumptions as if they were facts. The burden of proof is on those, who claim Google won't do something evil with this data.
This description of course doesn't apply to all slashdot users, but you can find plenty of people fitting the above description in every thread related to Google.
Sin
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Text from the currently running Sprint TV ad:
“We can share every second in data dressed in pixels.”
“A billion roaming photo-journalists uploading the human experience.”
“I need to upload all of me.”
Yes, people will do this. Continuously.
Look at how many share every facet of their lives on Facebook.
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My Android phone yesterday afternoon uploaded photos to Google Plus without my telling it to. I happened to notice there was a notification icon on my Google home page, after I'd signed into gmail. Clicked on it, and it showed me photos on my phone, some older, some taken a few days ago. I expect since my phone is signed into gmail as well, that's how the photos got there. There's probably some setting I agreed to allow photos to be uploaded automatically somewheres, but I don't remember seeing it. So Googl
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How extraordinarily douchey. You are most likely recorded by hundreds of video cameras every day. There is no expectation of privacy in public.
That depends entirely on where you live. If you choose to live somewhere where there are hundreds of cameras around, then you'd be silly to expect privacy in public.
Problem is, private becomes public (Score:2)
How extraordinarily douchey. You are most likely recorded by hundreds of video cameras every day.
I agree that spraying someone with something that could blind them is not really acceptable - in fact it's more assault than "douchey".
However you have to remember these people are mostly recording NOT in public. Yes in public video cameras are everywhere. But then you got to a party at someone's house or a booth in a restaurant, now you are not nearly so much "in public" - but there are glasses users there.
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I imagine this might happen just often enough to have a chilling effect on their adoption amongst geeks.
I'm not particularly worried they will ever take off with the mainstream public.
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Worrying and maybe somewhat futuristic.
Futuristic as in 1984?
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I think gp was referring to the dystopic aspect of the book - I'm not sure that totalitarianism combined with the ubiquitous use of technology been seen in any countries yet, although East Germany certainly came close, for a while.
Although many aspects of the book can be found in different places and different times around the globe, it is the sum of the parts that makes it so dystopic, and hopefully still futuristic.
Somehow I get the feeling that somebody failed their English Literature exam, and is just a
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I think gp was referring to the dystopic aspect of the book - I'm not sure that totalitarianism combined with the ubiquitous use of technology been seen in any countries yet, although East Germany certainly came close, for a while.
Although many aspects of the book can be found in different places and different times around the globe, it is the sum of the parts that makes it so dystopic, and hopefully still futuristic.
Somehow I get the feeling that somebody failed their English Literature exam, and is just a little bit bitter about it? :o)
Hard to say. When I read 1984 as an adult, it feels more like a dissertation about the rules of language, than a plausible future that could actually happen. I mean, he goes into some incredible depth about the way language works, what it's used for, and why the people in power wish to control it. As far as the playbook... the playbook is as old as time. The reason why 1984 is so jarring is because this is the way governments behave.
Thought crime is an interesting angle though, granted, but it's not that mu
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The argument I always hear is that communication on the internet is an act of speech. But it's clearly not. It's an act of thought. Speech is a very specific thing.
The modern internet includes video and audio.
I'd also postulate that perhaps they were using the term "speech" in a quasi-legal manner which seems to include expressing ideas via non-speech. I'm also not sure why you think that people would treat it differently if it were spoken as opposed to communicated in a different manner. Quibbling over the definition of speech certainly has its merits as it distracts people from your argument so, well, there is that. But you're correct in that typed communication isn
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The first time someone at the next urinal wearing Google Glass winks at you, you will understand (unless you routinely have people pointing smartphone cameras at your junk in the restroom...)
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The key difference is anyone actually POINTING a cell phone camera at you is very likely taking a picture/video. Extending that to anyone LOOKING at you and it's going to be a very paranoid world...
Bad trolling (Score:2)
Google glass are likely to be successfully.
Says the AC with no ability to tie the prediction back to them...
You know that in five years you will come off like the Gates quote about 512k RAM.
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Microsoft is not a hardware company either, that never prevented them from putting xboxes, zunes and surfaces on the market.
Some of my favorite keyboards and mice are made by Microsoft.
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If the Borg is what pops into your head, then I'm guessing you haven't read Snow Crash. Anyone who's read that is going to think "troglodyte"--the annoying, creepy old farts who have wearables so they can make sure that the kids stay off their lawns, and can report any suspicious activity to the proper authorities, along with a full video record.
Basically, the high-tech equivalent of the Curtain Twitcher [urbandictionary.com].