Sun 'Calls JBoss bluff' on J2EE compliance

joshmccormack writes "According to c|net's news.com Sun has finally responded to JBoss Group's request for J2EE compliance testing. Simon Phipps, Sun's chief technology evangelist stated in the article he thinks JBoss Group is bluffing, that their code won't pass the tests, and that some of the code is just copied from Sun."

Sun's code

[mcrbids]

... that their code won't pass the tests, and that some of the code is just copied from Sun.

Meaning, that Sun's code won't pass the tests either?

Sun: "They copied us"

[stratjakt]

However, Phipps said he doubts that JBoss software will pass the compliance test. Basing his opinion on public information, he said, JBoss software does not appear to implement all of the J2EE specification. Phipps also noted that JBoss appears to be using software written by Sun

translation:

"They copied us, and we suck!"

I will never ever say JBoss out loud. I can imagine what it would sound like, and it's frighteningly lame.

No shit...it's free

[Anonymous Coward]

JBoss is really gaining serious popularity in the Java world.

No shit...it's free

Re:Sun: "They copied us"

[abigor]

"I will never ever say JBoss out loud. I can imagine what it would sound like, and it's frighteningly lame."

Unlike "stratjakt", which just rolls off the tongue.

Shouldn't Sun

[Znonymous Coward]

be working a getting the dot back into dot com or something? .backwards is everything Russia Soviet In

Re:Sun/Phipps needs to show more class

[evronm]

A comment like this from Sun is unnecessary and appears childish. This kind of remark is unprofessional and serves no purpose except to build animosity.

My thoughts Exactly. For someone who's supposed to be an "Evangelist", he sure doesn't know a thing about PR..

<SimpsonsComicBookStoreGuy>"Worst evagelist ever" </SimpsonsComicBookStoreGuy>

:-)

Re:Shouldn't Sun

[HoneyBunchesOfGoats]

.backwards is everything Russia Soviet In

Does this mean that Yoda was a communist?

Where are the savings going?

[Dog and Pony]

Why, into step 5, of course! :)

Re:Sun/Phipps needs to show more class

[Trailer Trash]

A comment like this from Sun is unnecessary and appears childish. This kind of remark is unprofessional and serves no purpose except to build animosity.

Gee, childish, unprofessional remarks from a Sun employee? What's next? Lies from Redmond?

You are right!

[vchoy]

Quote: "...Phipps also noted that JBoss appears to be using software written by Sun."

./run.sh
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JBoss Bootstrap Environment
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JBOSS_HOME: C:\jboss-3.0.6\bin\\..
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JAVA: c:\j2sdk1.4.1_01\bin\java
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JAVA_OPTS: -Dprogram.name=run.bat
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CLASSPATH: ;c:\j2sdk1.4.1_01\lib\tools.jar;C:\jboss-3.0.6\bin \\run.jar
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09:01:01,453 INFO [Server] JBoss Release: JBoss-3.0.6 CVSTag=JBoss_3_0_6
09:01:01,468 INFO [Server] Home Dir: C:\jboss-3.0.6
09:01:01,468 INFO [Server] Home URL: file:/C:/jboss-3.0.6/
09:01:01,468 INFO [Server] Library URL: file:/C:/jboss-3.0.6/lib/
09:01:01,468 INFO [Server] Patch URL: null
09:01:01,468 INFO [Server] Server Name: default
09:01:01,468 INFO [Server] Server Home Dir: C:\jboss-3.0.6\server\default
09:01:01,468 INFO [Server] Server Home URL: file:/C:/jboss-3.0.6/server/default
/
09:01:01,4 68 INFO [Server] Server Data Dir: C:\jboss-3.0.6\server\default\db
09:01:01,468 INFO [Server] Server Temp Dir: C:\jboss-3.0.6\server\default\tmp
09:01:01,468 INFO [Server] Server Config URL: file:/C:/jboss-3.0.6/server/defau
lt/conf/
09:01 :01,484 INFO [Server] Server Library URL: file:/C:/jboss-3.0.6/server/defa
ult/lib/
09:01: 01,484 INFO [Server] Root Deployemnt Filename: jboss-service.xml
09:01:01,500 INFO [Server] Starting General Purpose Architecture (GPA)...
09:01:01,687 INFO [ServerInfo] Java version: 1.4.1_01,Sun Microsystems Inc.
09:01:01,687 INFO [ServerInfo] Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM 1.4.1_01-b01,Sun Microsystems Inc.

-------I admit as a user it's my fault in using "Sun's" Sdk. I will correct this mistake as soon as possible. -----

09:01:01,687 INFO [ServerInfo] OS-System: Windows XP 5.1,x86
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Re:Cruise Missle into Microsoft??

[Paradise Pete]

Uhhh, have you heard of Mono?

Yes, but only in one ear.

sun speak

[kungfoobar]

sun speak: I predict that now that we're calling their bluff, they will make up another excuse for not doing the tests, Philips says.

Translation: 'We may have *modified* the tests a little so you guys can't pass. Best of luck!'

sun speak:JBoss appears to be using software written by Sun.

Translation: 'We at Sun never use other people's codebase for our products (apache regex), it's wrong that JBoss does.'

sun speak: making the compliance test available will make it clear that Sun does not want to intentionally obstruct JBoss Group's efforts to gain J2EE compliance

Translation: 'We pray every night to the same God Microsoft does that JBoss burns itself to the ground. Linux should die to.'

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[Anonymous Coward]

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Re:It'll pass, no problem

[RodgerDodger]

First, I don't believe anybody's passed the tests on their first attempt.

With the tests not being generally available, most vendors focus on deskchecking against the spec (usually via their own test cases), plus doing what the reference implementation does. However, the reference implementation doesn't pass the official tests either.

Secondly, the test cases themselves are not perfect. They're software, and they have bugs. Just like the vendor software being tested, the test cases were written by someone interpreting the spec, and there's no assurance the interpretation was accurate.

If Sun allow more than one pass over the test cases, and give feedback on what's failed, I'm certain JBoss will be passing before long.

The main news here is that Mark Fleury won't be able to brag about how Sun won't let him show how good his software is anymore. If it makes Fleury shut up, then I only wish Sun had done this earlier... :)