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Sun and Eclipse Squabble 423

gbjbaanb writes "CNET news is reporting on a potential spat between Sun and Eclipse: 'Sun Microsystems has sent a letter to members of Eclipse, urging the increasingly influential open-source project to unify rather than fragment the Java-based development tool market.' Although Sun's letter says it wants interoperability, and a 'broad base' for java tools, it then insists Eclipse should push to be a 'unifying force for Java technology'. Competing tools is a good thing, but it sounds like Sun just wants everything to work its way."
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Sun and Eclipse Squabble

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 31, 2004 @03:08AM (#8142582)
    But it will be short-lived... maybe only a few minutes. Then Sun will be back.
  • Re:Come on. (Score:2, Funny)

    by Khakionion ( 544166 ) on Saturday January 31, 2004 @03:32AM (#8142661)
    I ask the community what has Sun's control *REALLY* gotten us
    It's getting me out of class on Tuesday afternoon to see the Launch Event Webcast of the Sun Java Desktop System...

    ...which will promptly fail, probably, because its LDAP client will need FUCKING PATCHING RIGHT OUT OF THE GOD DAMNED BOX...

    ...I mean, it's going to be released non-compliant and b0rked, like Sol8 and Sol9 were.
  • by crazyphilman ( 609923 ) on Saturday January 31, 2004 @03:33AM (#8142663) Journal
    Sun (to Eclipse): Hey, knock that crap off!

    Eclipse (with exaggerated innocence): Moi? Whatever do you mean?

    Sun: You know.

    Eclipse: Actually, no, I don't.

    Sun: Don't be coy!

    Eclipse: YAWN. Do you have something to say or what?

    Sun: You know damn well we're working on Swing, and Netbeans, and all that, and here you come out with SWT and start going off on weird tangents, I mean, hell, who's in charge here? I thought you were going to be cool about this.

    Eclipse: I am. People really dig java, and they're having a blast using Eclipse to work on it.

    Sun: Yeah, thanks a lot, poor Forte...

    Eclipse: I didn't tell you to charge so much for it.

    Sun: I didn't tell you to be free!

    Eclipse: No, that was my idea. But it's cool anyway. Anyway, you've got problems of your own. It's like, make up your mind already.

    Sun: What the hell are you talking about???

    Eclipse: Java 1.1.8, then Java 1.2, then Java 1.3, then 1.4, and every five minutes you "depreciate" something, driving your developers nuts...

    Sun: You... How can you... You...

    Eclipse: And then there's AWT, no, it's Swing, no, it's going to be some kind of weird beany scheme...

    Sun: You... OOOOH you make me SO MAD! Swing was a good idea! So were the beans!

    Eclipse: Well, so's SWT. Deal.

    Sun: It's not the same thing!

    Eclipse: Sure it is.

    Sun: Is not!

    Eclipse: Is too!

    Sun: Is not!

    Eclipse: Is too! Anyway, what's the difference? SWT is based on AWT, so it works everywhere, doesn't it? You should really dig it.

    Sun: (Sulks)

    Eclipse: Aw, come on, join the board of directors. You know you want to. You can even keep your Netbeans. I promise.

    Sun: I'll think about it...

    Eclipse: Yep. I know.

  • Because eclipse is taking revenue from the over priced bloatware jbuilder and Sun studio.It's bad [eclipse] because it's free. I thought darl showed us all that this is clearly unconstitutional - there is no profit motive - it's unAmerican damnit - only a monopoly can truly bring us together
    - /sarcasm
  • Re:Java... (Score:1, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 31, 2004 @04:07AM (#8142757)
    I completely agree
    -- Bill Gates
  • by vargul ( 689529 ) on Saturday January 31, 2004 @05:21AM (#8142916) Journal
    I dont get the point. I thought every single javacoder uses emacs+JDE... Are you not?
  • by kfg ( 145172 ) on Saturday January 31, 2004 @05:54AM (#8142994)
    Perhaps you were being too subtle. Next time slip on a banana peel at the end. That might do the trick.

    KFG
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 31, 2004 @05:57AM (#8143003)
    No, Sun is not a company full of Dilberts. Sun employee base is 101% managers.

    Program Managers, Product Managers, Program Coordinators, Product Coordinators, Product Boss, Program Boss, Manager Boss, Boss Manager, Product Boss Coordinator and Product Coordinator Boss, then of course there is the Product Boss Coordinator Manager and Product coordinator Boss Manager ... et al.

    Oh, wait, I think they have Project and Product Blackbelts who are kinda like Boss's but I think they report to Magic-8 ball managers.

  • by kfg ( 145172 ) on Saturday January 31, 2004 @06:01AM (#8143016)
    Sun and IBM are competing rivals. Nothing more ugly than that. It's a credit to Sun than IBM should name their work in such a way.

    Indeed. Sun should feel honored to have such a noble and gallant competeing rival pissing on its shoes in public.

    KFG
  • by Trejkaz ( 615352 ) on Saturday January 31, 2004 @06:50AM (#8143118) Homepage
    'Deprecate' [reference.com], not 'depreciate' [reference.com].
  • by primus_sucks ( 565583 ) on Saturday January 31, 2004 @09:37AM (#8143436)
    I think AWT is better than SWT

    Sure, maybe if you don't need silly controls like tables or trees, then awt is great.

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