Young Programmer, Stop Advocating Free Software! 1452
Lansdowne writes "Clemens Vasters, in an open letter to a young developer he met at a software conference, asks him to consider the consequences of writing software for free. "Software is the immediate result and the manifestation of what your learned and what you know. How much is that worth? Nothing? Think again."" While I don't particularly agree with all of the points made here, this is the type of question that needs to be answered to continue to get people involved in Free/Open/Libre/GNU/whatever source/software/code.
Re:slashdotted, article text (Score:3, Funny)
Eeeep. (Score:5, Funny)
<Asok [unitedmedia.com]>It only hurts because it's true.</Asok>
Re:worth? (Score:1, Funny)
That would answer that right quick... I have more bills then I do dollar bills at the second.
So everything is worth money.
Time is money... you owe me 0.35$ for writing this. Deposit here
Screwtape Letters (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Site slashdot'ed befor it went live (Score:5, Funny)
So once you get your degree from school, what's the plan?
To get outsourced.
How do you say? (Score:3, Funny)
Linus (Score:5, Funny)
The smell (Score:0, Funny)
Hmmm... Slashdotted already. Here's the text: (Score:2, Funny)
Oh mein Gott, you're going to put my closed-source company out of business! PLEASE STOP!
Clemens
The Unknown (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Site slashdot'ed befor it went live (Score:2, Funny)
This guy must be right! (Score:5, Funny)
if i get it right (Score:3, Funny)
though it mostly reminds me of old whores complaining about the sluts who give it for free.
Re:Site slashdot'ed befor it went live (Score:5, Funny)
Why, you could practically hear the cobwebs gathering around his wizened face as he thought aaaallll the way back through the hoary ages to - gasp - 1990, when he was a carefree 21 year old like the addressee. someone get this incredibly wise 35-year-old a wheelchair before he keels over.
The good looking, intelligent girl over there at the bar that you'd really like to talk to doesn't care much whether you are famous amongst a group of geeks and neither does she even remotely fathom why you'd be famous for that stuff in the first place. I mean - get real here.
well, that was particularly insulting. nothing quite like the threat of "no pussy!" to drive intelligent young programmers away from open source / free software.
unprincipled windbag.
Re:wow.. (Score:5, Funny)
>the program is going to be so improved vastly by people who have vastly more knowledge than me. There is always someone in the world who can do something that you did, better
I doubt that you have the ego required to become a programmer. When you start saying "I wrote better code when I was 17!" then will you TRUELY become a programmer like the rest of us.
Call by Value... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:wow.. (Score:1, Funny)
Yes, but once you move out of your parent's house and lose your job at McDonalds, and companies are using your free software instead of hiring you to write it for them, your tune will change.
Re:Site slashdot'ed befor it went live (Score:3, Funny)
I wonder how many more enterprising businesspeople could have saved tens of hours every week if Mr. Vasters had decided to charge somewhat less than four months salary for his amazing intellectual property?
I'm also saddened that "the good looking, intelligent girl over there at the bar" doesn't care that young Aiden is a bright young lad who wants to contribute something positive to our culture. Nor does she seem interested in the fact that he has the skills necessary to do so. But according to Mr. Vasters, she is deeply concerned about whether Aiden owns his own car. Aiden, forget this girl. Go after her friend with the hyperactive social conscience. She's probably a better fit.
I would rant onward, but I'm out of time. Try the veal.
Come on now... (Score:4, Funny)
> of my "big-load-o-cash"(tm), I probably wont like
> her anymore.
I think that if you are reading slashdot, you probably can not afford to be so picky.
Irony (Score:5, Funny)
Sorry, that just made me laugh. I agree with you, though.
Re:Site slashdot'ed befor it went live (Score:4, Funny)
Don't you mean Lexi?
Re:Site slashdot'ed befor it went live (Score:5, Funny)
Says the poster with the Real Doll sig.
Re:Finally, someone said it. (Score:2, Funny)
Maybe you have the best job on Earth, where every programming assignment given to you is fresh and invigorating. Or maybe you shoot cocaine. Or maybe, you haven't worked as a programmer a day in your life. Yeah, that's what I'm guessing.
Apply this logic to math: (Score:5, Funny)
I think you remember the conversation we had recently at this university in Cambridge. You came up to me and told me how the math I was talking about was mostly useless, because it is a mystical secret where people need to be inducted into a secret soceity to use it and those who divulge it are killed. Unfortunately I don't have your letter, but I am sure this will reach you.
First, I would like to thank you for the interesting conversation that developed and to make sure that none of what was said just fades away, I'll tell you here once again what I am thinking about what you do, what you think and - most importantly about your future.
When I was young - like you now - I was also at university and was pursing a natural philosophy degree. Back then, I was very enthusiastic about mathematics as a humanitarian discipline. And thought that I was the best mathematician in the field has ever seen and everyone else was mostly worthless. And I did indeed derive some theorems that mattered and made a difference. The theory I spent some 3 years writing in algebra from when I was 18 was to solve a problem for my father's business. Because the business he's in requires a lot of interest calulations, he and my mother spent about 2-3 daily hours on average doing all of this stuff by hand. Using my theorem, that time went from 3 hours to about 15 minutes a day. That was math that absolutely improved the quality of life for the entire family! And his friends and colleagues loved it, too. I didn't sell many licenses at that time (I think I had 3 customers), but each one was worth 1500 Brittish Pounds and that was a huge heap of money for me. Where did the money go? I can't really remember where it all went, but I guess "lot of partying" or "Girls, Drugs and Minuettes" would be a reasonably good explanation. Hey, I was 21 and that's what one is supposed to do at that age, right?
That was in 1640 - let's fast forward to 1669 and you. All math that you and your father could possibly be interested in has already been written. That's probably not true, but it's hard to think of something, right? Ok, the math may not be easy to understand with your notation and may cost money, but what you can immediately think of is likely there. So where do you put all your energy? Into this absolutely amazing free math project you co-coordinate. I mean, really, the stuff that you and your buddies are doing with derivatives is truly impressive. There are a couple of things I'd probably do differently in terms of notation, but it works well and that's mostly what matters.
However, I start to wonder where your benefit is. You are - out of principle - not making any money out of this, because it is free and you and your buddies insist that it must be absolutely free. So you are putting all of that time and energy into this project for what? Fame? To found a career? Come on.
In the end, Newton, it's your choice. Do you want to have a horse, a house and a family when you are 30? Do you love being a Natural Philosopher at the same time? If so, you literally need to get a life. Forget the dream about stuff being free and stop advocating it. It's idiocy. It's bigotry. If you want to put your skills to work and you need to support a family, your work and work results can't be free. Math is the immediate result and the manifestation of what your learned and what you know. How much is that worth? Nothing? Think again.
With best wishes for your future
Cardan
I wonder what this guy thinks about... (Score:3, Funny)
I wonder what this guy thinks about air. I mean, it's free, but pretty important to him. One could argue that while it's free, it's worth more than all the gold in the world, simply becasue without it, he's gonna die.
Granted that air wasn't developed by an outside party, but the analogy still holds (sort of). If this kid were to develop something very useful and gave it away as open source, His contribution would be appreciated everywhere, and worth far more than they paid for it.
So the kid isn't an uber-capitalist out to make billions on his products. So what? He wants to make software that everyone can enjoy, review, and improve. Money isn't his goal in life. Personally I think that says more about his character than anything else.
Re:Amen. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Amen... yes (Score:2, Funny)
On behalf of all Slashdot...haiku. (Score:3, Funny)
Behold, my confused fellow...
Cluestick upside head.
Re:Amen... but there are benefits to be involve... (Score:3, Funny)
They'll find someone who will pay to do the other half?
Re:Amen. (Score:3, Funny)
Wrong. Microsoft releases several free programs for an assortment of Unix (most importantly Mac OS X) and also MS DOS.
Their motivations are still always greedy, of course. For example, one reason they invested so much into the Macintosh Internet Explorer was to prevent AOL's Mozilla program from becoming more popular, and undermining MS's web-client domination.
Re:Amen. (Score:3, Funny)
If I could get my employer to pay me 99 cents an hour per pound I would be a very happy camper
Re:Amen. (Score:3, Funny)
He isn't a fool, but he is an asshole.
Re:net result (Score:3, Funny)
so you're the guy sending me all that spam
Re:worth? (Score:1, Funny)
I've learned my lesson (Score:5, Funny)
Wow, it's so clear now. Thank you, Mr. Clemens !
Re:net result (Score:5, Funny)
You've obviously never had a girlfriend, have you?
Value of Open Source Development (Score:2, Funny)
Employer: "Next!"
Candidate #2: "Hi. I wrote Samba."
Employer: "Welcome aboard Mr Tridgell!"