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"Project Rave" Beta Released 34

Posted by CowboyNeal from the look-of-things-to-come dept.
Glenn Holmer writes "The long-awaited beta of Sun Java Studio Creator (the IDE formerly known as Project Rave) has been released. This is the product that is supposed to make Java development easy (especially for web apps) by using drag and drop technology. It is based on NetBeans and uses JavaServer Faces technology."
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  • As usual... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Pahroza ( 24427 ) on Saturday April 10, 2004 @12:56PM (#8825103)
    As usual, there is no Mac OS X installer available for the Sun Java[tm] Studio Creator. There do appear to be sources for SteadyState and JGraph. I'm downloading them now, we'll see what I can make of it.

    • OS X (Score:5, Insightful)

      by melquiades ( 314628 ) on Saturday April 10, 2004 @01:30PM (#8825369) Homepage
      I wonder, is this IDE written in pure Java?

      If not, why not?

      If so, why is Sun dorking around with platform-specific installers?

      Either way, it seems tantamount to an admission of the failure of Java portability ... which is funny, because Java is, by and large, extraordinarily portable, and there are plenty of platform-neutral installers around coming from people with far fewer resources than Sun.

      • Re:OS X (Score:5, Interesting)

        by jilles ( 20976 ) on Saturday April 10, 2004 @05:34PM (#8826762) Homepage
        It is pure Java. However, platform specific installers are nice for properly integrating with the native platform (icons, menu items, file associations, paths, shortcuts).

        I can imagine there is little market demand for Mac OS X support and so little incentive for sun to invest time in it. In addition, Apple is a big competitor in the workstation market so SUN will likely prefer that developers use something else. Preferably something where SUN delivers the JVM (linux, solaris & win32) so they can hook into the compiler and sun specific JVM optimizations.

        Probably, it is rather easy to get the thing going on a mac if you know what you are doing so I don't really see the problem.

        • Re:OS X (Score:5, Informative)

          by Arkham ( 10779 ) on Saturday April 10, 2004 @06:36PM (#8827144)
          I recently asked James Gosling ("father of Java" and head of Sun's tools development group) about this very issue when I attended a speech he gave in Atlanta. He was demoing on a Powerbook so I thought it was an apt question.

          He said all of Sun's tools run on Macs, and indeed many of their developers used Macs on a daily basis. He said that they really need to work on Mac installers, and hopefully the situation would improve over time.

          If anyone has influence over this, it's Gosling. If you're interested in seeing Mac tools, email him and let him know.
      • it is running just fine on my powerbook right now. it is 100% java so it works on any platform. it was easy to install. it only take a clue to do it.
        • Its a self-extracting zip for those still wondering. This package seems to be suffering from the include-yet-another-jre problem, so removing the included JRE and linking the system included one (or setting JDK_HOME) will get it to run -- and strip nearly 100Mb off the installation. The installer fell over trying to install pointbase though.

  • Limited functionality, high price? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bartok ( 111886 ) on Saturday April 10, 2004 @01:00PM (#8825154)
    I fail to see how another non-free Java IDE is gonna make Java more attractive to VS.NET developers (since that's the stated target market). People are much more likely to download Eclipse for free and use that.

    I see this IDE's market to be nothing more than a niche of people who already use Java at work to code Java Server Feces.
  • Here come more clueless "developers" who drag&drop their way to software disasters... :)

    In all seriousness though, this is most likely a good thing. It'll be interesting to see how this changes the corporate landscape. Although I have to cringe at any press release that uses the word "leverage"...
    • Drag and drop and wonder why things don't work the way you want them to, but rather how the IDE thinks you want them to.

      They do serve their purpose in assisting people with spending less time working on the UI implementation of the code they write by hand. I think a good example of that is XCode.

    • Don't be so narrow-minded. I had the bad luck of being transfered to a web development team, and all we use here is M$. Not the .NET, but that old ASP shit. (Sigh!)

      I tried PHP, but it doesn't feel like an alternative. Web development is particularly painful. I hate writing the same HTML shit everytime I want to create a new form, and having to deal with all that request/response shit, validating arguments with totally unreliable client-side Javascript or, as an alternative, enter in the request/response s

  • Rave - what's up with the awful marketing blather? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by joelparker ( 586428 ) <joel@school.net> on Saturday April 10, 2004 @01:37PM (#8825419) Homepage
    Rave is great, well worth trying for Java apps--
    but the homepage introduction is horrendous.
    • powerful technologies that can be
      used productively and effectively.

      leverage the power of the Java platform


    Can someone at Sun get a clue about this?
    I'm a Java developer (and former Sun employee)
    and I don't need to read words like "leverage"
    and "powerful technologies" and buzzwords.

    Instead: tell me what the tool is,
    what it does-- ideally with screenshots--
    and how it fits with my other Java tools.

    Cheers, Joel

  • Move along... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Hamster Of Death ( 413544 ) on Saturday April 10, 2004 @01:48PM (#8825486)
    Lets see the responses.

    I dosen't work on platform $FOO

    Real developers use language $BAR

    Java is proprietary therefore it sucks $FOO is much better because it's $OS LICENSED

    I tried it but it didn't do $OBSCURE THING properly so I went back to $POPULAR THING

    I heard that MS is discontinuing support for it so why bother.

    It's just another incarnation of $FOO why do we need so many ways to do $BAR why can't there be one standard?

    $FOO is so much better at $BAR than this everyone should use $FOO.

    $FOO dosen't make coffee

    etc..

    I'm sure you'll point out the spelling errors and missed points.
  • ...where have I seen this IDE before... Hrrrmmm
    • Server navigator
    • Tool box of drag and drop components
    • The exact default lay-out of...
    ...VS.NET!!!

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