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KDE 3.3 Beta "Klassroom" Released 446

Posted by timothy from the more-of-a-good-thing dept.
twener writes "The KDE team has announced the Beta 1 development version of the upcoming KDE 3.3 release. This release is named 'Klassroom' following the 'Kindergarten' Alpha; the goal is to make this child visit the "aKademy" KDE World Summit in August. Most planned features are there, next week starts the feature freeze. Source and provided binary packages are listed on the KDE 3.3 Beta 1 Info Page next to the KDE 3.3 Requirements List."
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KDE 3.3 Beta "Klassroom" Released

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  • Heh (Score:5, Funny)

    by ahsile ( 187881 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @02:54PM (#9634378) Homepage Journal
    An interesting release name. Are we going to have HighsKool next?

  • Kersonally... (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    This konvention of knaming everytking witk a K is starting to annoy the krap out of me.

  • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 )
    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  • KDE Methods (Score:4, Interesting)

    by feilkin ( 790260 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @03:01PM (#9634439)
    I'm not sure, I'm kinda of weary of the way that KDE goes around and does things. I was always under the impression that Linux was built up of smaller tools to make a useable operation system, yet KDE seems intent on combining many programs into larger ones to manage the system. I'm not saying that this approach is wrong, it's just something that I don't really think is beneficial. Something that really pops out at me is the fact that the browser and filesystem viewer are combined into one. Sounds a little familiar, and we all know what happened with the other one..

    • Re:KDE Methods (Score:5, Insightful)

      by NamShubCMX ( 595740 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @03:07PM (#9634521)
      It's still a bunch of small programs... they just integrate inside eachother so well that many people love to use them this way.
      (Check the evolution of Kontact, for example, or Konqueror, which is not so big if you would only load the KHTML part)

      Just like you can pipe grep with awk with sed... but graphically somehow :P

    • Re:KDE Methods (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Erik Hensema ( 12898 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @03:13PM (#9634575) Homepage
      You're wrong. KDE is very modular due to its DCOP, kpart and KIO protocols. If some app needs a text editor, it simply incorporates a kpart which implements the editor. And if the app needs to load text documents from the network, it simply uses the KIO slaves for http, ftp, etc. And if it needs some information that another running app has, it simply does a DCOP call.

      So, KDE is built with small parts and tools, they're just very nicely intergrated.

      However, I'm supprised that no really bad security holes in konqueror have been discovered yet. Browser and file manager intergrated is very nice, but also very scary...

      • ...and if you want a different editor, you assign the editor to a different kpart, say... kvim... and then you use a GUI vi everywhere you would normally see the KDE standard editor.

        The reason that there are no really bad security holes (that have been found, at any rate) and what makes it difficult to make them is exactly this. A kio_http kio slave and KHTML part linked together is insecure, and that's known. A kio_file kio slave can be more trusted. The source and interface is intelligent about how th

    • Re:KDE Methods (Score:3, Insightful)

      by mangu ( 126918 )
      and we all know what happened with the other one...

      What happened? Which other one do you mean?

      If there's one great KDE application, it's konqueror. I think it's very well done. I really like the way they integrate things. For instance, you can drag and drop something from the web into a directory in your disk. It will be shown as a thumbnail. Pass the cursor over it and a window with details will pop up. Click on it and the system will run the application that handles that type of file. I think konqueror

      • If there's one great KDE application, it's konqueror.

        You mean, it was one great KDE application. Unfortuntely, it encountered one of those interface lightbulb moments - not where the light goes on, but where it completely shatters. I enjoyed using Konqueror up until the point that someone got the bright of idea to implement a horizontal bookmarks menu that hijacks my entire screen, and worse, without giving the user an option to enjoy a more standard option, which is a menu that scrolls vertically. I no

    • Re:KDE Methods (Score:5, Informative)

      by mini me ( 132455 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @03:42PM (#9634858)
      Konqueror is not a web browser and file viewer. It's a framework for applications to embed themselves into. It just so happens the file viewer and KHTML are the most commonly used applications in it, but it doesn't have to stop there.

      KDE is really the only GUI system I'm familiar with that does try to follow the UNIX philosophy. It's a shame that the underlying system of KDE isn't better understood because the misinformation about it gives KDE a bad name.

    • Re:KDE Methods (Score:3, Insightful)

      by JohnFluxx ( 413620 )
      So what you are suggesting is that instead of one big thing, what we should do is have lots of little tools. And then we can have them work seemlessly with each other.
      Hey good idea - what we'll do is split everything up into things called kparts. So there is an html kpart called khtml, and a file browsing kpart, and a kword kpart, and a pdf viewer kpart and so on.
      Then to just glue it together we can have an app which just loads the kparts, and call that, say konqueror.

      Oh wait, that's what happens. What

  • In other news... (Score:5, Funny)

    by nacturation ( 646836 ) <nacturation AT gmail DOT com> on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @03:02PM (#9634463) Journal
    KDE announced they were acquiring the rights to the Knoppix distribution. A source at KDE who wished to remain anonymous said, "For some reason, we just liked the name."
    • "vi" and "emacs" are both still in critical condition at St. Mary's Hospital, downtown, after a vicious street-fight. Notepad claims throne of "best text editor." More at eleven...

  • New features (Score:5, Informative)

    by NamShubCMX ( 595740 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @03:04PM (#9634489)
    Kopete is now usable

    Major Kontact improvements all-around

    Amarok, a new audio player that will hopefulyl replace the awful Noatun/Kaboodle

    KolourPaint - which was needed

    My wish: integrate Konversation, and get rid of Keramik :)

    • Have you tried Kaffiene? It sucks, but less than all the other media players ;)

      • Re:New features (Score:3, Informative)

        by NamShubCMX ( 595740 )
        Yes, although it does show a lot of potential, it just crashes too often on my box.

        Using Konqueror with all video files associated to "mplayer -zoom" is what I've found works best so far.

        For music, I really like JuK. Amarok seems nice but it is very buggy too (once I set gstreamer, which wasn't configured properly, I couldn't ever revert to arts, for example)

        • Re:New features (Score:3, Informative)

          by Doug Neal ( 195160 )
          JuK is good if you've got a large well-organised music collection, whereas I mostly listen to internet radio. Last time I looked JuK didn't support streaming very well (or not at all).

          I don't like the way Amarok is an ARTS frontend, mainly because ARTS is shit :) Kaffeine is a xine frontend, which is good. I haven't had any stability problems (apart from it locking up now and again when I try and open a new URL while it's still trying to connect to another one), maybe you should check your xine config?
          • Amarok is actually not an arts frontend. Although the first versions were arts-only, one of the goal of amarok is to be the testbed for other framework into KDE.

            Version 1+ supports gstreamer (and direct-ALSA too I believe), and I know support for other framework is being worked on too.

    • Also Kopete / Kontact integration (Score:4, Interesting)

      by brunes69 ( 86786 ) <`gro.daetsriek' `ta' `todhsals'> on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @06:22PM (#9636692)

      You can now see a user's online status inside KMail and inside KAddressbook, if you have Kopete running. You can also click on an address to IM them, from inside either of these applications.

      To me this is a killer feature. Gnome still has a bounty out on it ( http://www.gnome.org/bounties/IM.html [gnome.org]

  • Kudos to KDE (Score:3, Funny)

    by Eberlin ( 570874 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @03:08PM (#9634530) Homepage
    Kudos to KDE for Kuality Komputing!!! Koding and Kompiling have never been Kuicker! Konsole kreates a kompelling kommand-line-interface.

    Such a kollection of kompatible kontraptions kan only be konceived by a konglomeration of kompassionate koders kontributing to a valiant kause.

    KDE is kosher as far as I'm koncerned.

  • soo stable !! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by phreakv6 ( 760152 )
    The last time i restarted X was when i installed KDE 3.2 almost 2 months back... am waiting for KDE 3.3 to restart X again... KDE rocks !!
    • I had always been afraid of "unstable" versions, but had to try a Conectiva "snapshot" to get my notebook working with 3D acceleration. It has been several weeks now in KDE 3.2.3, with no problems at all, except that every time I do an apt-get dist-upgrade, about once a week, I get over 100Mb of downloads. If that's the price to pay for something that's still under development, I'll gladly pay.

    • Re:soo stable !! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Mmm coffee ( 679570 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @03:49PM (#9634947) Journal
      I've tried just about every WM in the *nix world and I always come back to KDE. GNOME is slow, hell to upgrade and install, and I have yet to see it working perfectly. There's always some odd bug that is painfully noticable and you are completely lost as to how to fix it. WindowMaker is my #2 favorite, but the UI drives me nuts. I have to minimize everything just to restore a program I minimized. XFCE falls short, it's UI just doesn't fit me. Ditto for everything else out there.

      KDE works perfectly for me. Everything just comes together and works without a single complaint, and it's nicely polished to boot. I can live with ugly, but I'd prefer not to if it's at all possible, and KDE can be the prettiest WM if you tweak it right. She's fast, stable, and easy to use to the point where I don't even have to think about stuff, I just do. Customizable enough that if I don't like something I can almost totally change it, while not drowning in a clusterfsck of options. Some have mentioned that it's bloated. I'm on a 500Mhz system and it runs just a notch slower than freakin' WindowMaker. It's more than fast enough for me. :)

      Toss in the GPL'ed QT and you have a totally Free Software WM that rocks. It just works.

  • Fast? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by GrouchoMarx ( 153170 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @03:18PM (#9634631) Homepage
    Wow, they're quick. Isn't this like half the time between KDE 3.1 and KDE 3.2?

    That said, *drool*. My main interests in KDE 3.3 is full groupware support in Kontact, a working Kopete, and hopefully some stability cleanups. I look forward to every KDE release, as each one blows me away with how well done it is from an overall design perspective.
    • There were many complaints about the previous long freeze. I personally think this is a *good* thing to release fast like this.
      However, I believe it will be the last release for a while (disregarding maintenance release) because the next one will be KDE4.

      I wish more programs would go the Quanta way of releasing both WITH KDE and as seperate release (look out for Quanta BE...) so those of us who don't want to mess with CVS can get the new features without having to wait for KDE4. I believe the KDE-PIM modu

  • Crap KDE discussions (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Doug Neal ( 195160 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @03:25PM (#9634690)
    So, is there any chance we could discuss KDE in this thread? As opposed to just an endless stream of unfunny "K" jokes, GNOME vs KDE flamewars, and Windows vs Linux flamewars?

    Ohh sorry, I forgot for a sec... this is slashdot.

    • Very interesting. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by FreeLinux ( 555387 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @05:03PM (#9635797)
      The most interesting thing about this article is that, as you stated, the vast majority of posts is in reference to KDE naming. Noticeably absent are posts deriding KDE for technical problems, design issues and or performance issues.

      It would suggest, anecdotally anyway, that users have no major issues with KDE which is something that cannot be said about almost any other Linux desktop. Observe other Slashdot articles about Gnome, xFCE or others and you will see lots of comments complaining about bugs, design issues, performance, lack of features and more. There are very few posts of this nature with this article and that alone speaks volumes for KDE.

      Could it be that despite the flame wars, KDE is indeed the best/preferred desktop for Linux?

  • Google Cache for features (Score:4, Informative)

    by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @03:25PM (#9634694) Journal
    Here is the google cache for the features [216.239.57.104]

  • Well I'll start an actual discussion... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Stevyn ( 691306 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @03:34PM (#9634784)
    Is there any knews of this being faster? I've been annoyed that kde is slower than windows. Yeah, it looks nice, but most of those visual enhancements are from nice 2D graphics. I like kde because it has more basic programs than light WM's like fluxbox, but it's still kinda slow. They seem to be taking the microsoft route. Add features before making it faster and more stable. It's ironic where this is headed.
    • I've been annoyed that kde is slower than windows.

      hmm, that might have been the kase awhile back - but it sure doesn't seem to be the kase with my kurrent system.

      I installed SuSE 9.1, and started using KDE as my primary desktop, being a former long time redhat/gnome user, also having used blackbox, icewm, xfce and others.

      I find that kde 3.2.3 on suse 9.1 is very snappy, featureful and has lots of kool eye kandy. I could almost use konqueror for all my web browsing, but every once in awhile there will be

    • Re:Well I'll start an actual discussion... (Score:5, Informative)

      by chill ( 34294 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @05:19PM (#9635989) Journal
      Where to begin...

      Unlike Microsoft, you have the option of which parts to install. You also have the option to compile each component for yourself, using optimizations and "--disable-feature" as you see fit.

      KDE's patch releases (i.e., 3.2.1, 3.2.2, 3.2.3) are almost exclusively focused on increasing stability and swatting bugs. There has been major efforts by the KDE team towards speed and stability with every release.

      Check out http://valgrind.kde.org/ for a good GPLed debugger & profiler. Also look at KCachegrind while you're at it.

      If the bloat of binary packages bothers you, then either Konstruct it yourself or buy a faster machine. Don't blame KDE, blame the distro you're using for choosing everything-but-the-kitchen-sink , compiled for the lowest common denominator, in their packages.

      -chill
  • I see all these new things, but I am a visual person, and I need pictures man, I need pictures!

    Does anyone have any screenshots of the new features or pictures of why I should bother trying this new version over the version that I have installed but don't use now anyway?

    DFossmeister

  • Finally (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Bobke ( 653185 )
    Konqueror: Added option to activate previous active tab if closing the current one

    I'm there...

  • KDE's Konsole Vs. Gnome Terminal (Score:3, Interesting)

    by linuxguy ( 98493 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @06:26PM (#9636732) Homepage

    I really like KDE. However I love Gnome Terminal. It allows me to *really* make a it a fullscreen app. No sliding bars or menus there to distract me and take away precious screen space. I couldn't get Konsole to do this. Also I tried using Gnome Terminal under KDE and it had a few problems. It has been a while and I forget exactly what those problems were.

    Once Konsole is as good as Gnome Terminal, I am making the switch to KDE full-time.

  • KitchenSync (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Trejkaz ( 615352 ) on Wednesday July 07, 2004 @09:08PM (#9637907) Homepage
    I can't wait for KitchenSync personally. I'm surprised that it isn't getting integrated with Kontact, and it's a little disappointing that Qtopia is like the only supported sync device, but at least its existence in KDE should provide some motivation for people owning other devices to hack stuff up. (Personally I'm hoping for Symbian bluetooth syncing support, ideally which works by pressing a button on Kontact. Sweeeeeeet.)

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