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Microsoft Receives Open Source VIP Blessing 198

* * Beatles-Beatles writes to let us know that Larry Rosen has given his blessing to the new terms that Microsoft is Making their Office XML Reference Schema available under. Rosen, "the attorney that wrote the book on open source licensing and the man who was the Open Source Initiative's first general counsel and secretary," described this move as the "most significant olive branch to date" to come from the Redmond software giant.
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Microsoft Receives Open Source VIP Blessing

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @06:28AM (#14136393)
    I'm recycling a comment from another AC in another Scuttlemonkey/**Beatles-Beatles post. This guy's getting worse than Roland Picklepail:

    Am I the only person who has noticed the numerous stories that get posted by *--Beatles-Beatles? Am I also the only person who has noticed that the link used in is name is a constantly changing URL (depending on the story) with pointers to various scammy sites? Is it not obvious what he's doing? He's using the awesome PageRank of slashdot do promote his sites based on searches that have the word Beatles in them.

    It's a small price to pay for free advertising. Find a story, summarize it in 5 minutes, post to slashdot, and get a pagerank boost that advertisers would pay hundreds (or maybe thousands) for. (Text links on high-ranking sites is big business - just ask oreilly).

    Slashdot should at least put a ref=nofollow in the links to submitters (or better yet, only link the submitter's name to his/her user page).

    In closing, a quick bit of WHOIS shows that all the sites linked by **B-B are registered to Carl Fogle. Carl, cut this crap out.
  • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @06:31AM (#14136405)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • Re:Standard - oh my. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by KiloByte ( 825081 ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @06:34AM (#14136410)
    Do we really want this mess [oasis-open.org] to become our standards ?

    No, we don't.

    As the time flies, I'm getting more and more convinced that OSI is actually harming our cause. While RMS sometimes has bad ideas as well (GFDL, GPLv3), Free Software is the way to do. Not the collestion of look-but-not-touch-and-we-reserve-all-rights-to-su e-you licenses endored by OSI and friends.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @06:45AM (#14136445)
    Also note that the stories by the ScuttleMonkey/BB team are never the actual submissions. They always say "writes to tell us that ", not "writes ".

    There are two possible explanations:

    1. There are no submissions. SM = BB
    2. BB is using some kind of automated RSS to email facility to submit stories, and SM is either clueless or in cahoots with BB

    Jake.
  • Re:Who? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @07:07AM (#14136508)
    Have you *ever* seen MS refer to themselves as MicroSoft? No!

    Well, in fact, yes I have. That's how it was originally.

  • Re:Back in Mass. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by rmstar ( 114746 ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @07:08AM (#14136510)
    By promising to open their standard they have made a fairly dramatic political move. They are doing quite a bit of stuff lately that makes me think that they are very desperate.
  • by Decaff ( 42676 ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @07:46AM (#14136573)
    XML is just a language, you can make the documents as incomprehensible as you want....

    True, but you gave a bad example, as you were illustrating how embedded binary information can look incomprehensible, which is irrelevant.

    XML can be made difficult to read through the use of meaningless tag names or attributes.

    The point of XML is that it can be made easily human readable (and good XML should be) - in fact this was one of the original design considerations.
  • by Weh ( 219305 ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @07:55AM (#14136589)
    the site he linked looks more like one of those spice girls pages my brother set up just because he wanted to get some hits on the first website het built. Also when you examine the html source you'll see that it is no ordinary "beatle lovers" page.
  • by Tom ( 822 ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @08:07AM (#14136617) Homepage Journal
    Who cares?

    I do, and apparently many others. The problem isn't one guy posting stuff with links to his various websites. That's ok.

    The problem is a potential collaboration between this guy and a /. editor. Maybe he's providing content, but maybe 20 other people provide the same content and are rejected in favour of this guy. Maybe Scuttlemonkey even gets a small kickback for favouring him.

    And that's where it crosses the line. It certainly is interesting to see that all of his postings were approved by Scuttlemonkey. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not.
  • by mustafap ( 452510 ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @08:11AM (#14136630) Homepage
  • by Jah-Wren Ryel ( 80510 ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @08:20AM (#14136651)
    Here is a dumb thought...
    Don't click on his|her link.


    Except it doesn't matter whether anyone here clicks on the link, google's pagerank system is the one "clicking on the link" - the end result being an increase in the guy's ranking in google so that people who don't even know what slashdot is will see the guy's site come up in searches for "beatles" and they will click on the link through google instead.
  • by PSaltyDS ( 467134 ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @08:25AM (#14136667) Journal
    Quote of Rosen from the article: "The first reaction people will have is, "where's the catch?" I don't see anything we can't live with. We can participate in crafting the standard in ECMA, we can read and write Office 2003 files in open source applications, and we don't have to pay royalties to Microsoft to do so. It's a good start." (Emphasis mine.)

    As I understand it (imperfectly, for sure) there are legaly significant differences between the XML schema for Office 2003 and the upcoming Office 12.

    Isn't this a Microsoft Bait-and-Switch? They make enough changes in terms on the legacy Office 2003 schema to continue their lock-in in Mass., but when the state has to update to Office 12 new patented and licensed "extensions" will lock out any competitive options.

    Make no mistake, locking out others and maintaining position as The Monopoly is the business plan here.

  • Re:Back in Mass. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by indifferent children ( 842621 ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @08:43AM (#14136721)
    If by 'desparate' you mean 'responding to the market' then yes, they are.

    Microsoft's track record is one of abusing their monopoly, to abuse their customers. If they're 'responding to the market' they must think that their corporate doomsday clock is at 11:59pm.

    So there! (sorry for that last bit, but I just wanted to use *all three* forms of they're/their/there correctly in one post (another sign of the apocalypse)).

  • Re:Back in Mass. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by indifferent children ( 842621 ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @08:46AM (#14136735)
    Or maybe the government IT folks in Massachusets think that a format designed to be open and interoperable will be a better format than one that was designed to serve the interests of one corporation. Those crazy kids.
  • by Trestop ( 571707 ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @09:17AM (#14136902) Homepage Journal
    Given that all of the "beatles-beatles" links are to that George Harrison web site, except for one which is for an SEO site - I think that this guy is just a George Harrison fan trying to promote his web site using his slashdot posting.

    Given the fact that I couldn't locate his site in the first 10 pages of a google search for "beatles", I'd say he does a botch-up job of that and we can safely ignore him.

    This is a storm in a teapot (or how ever you say that).
  • by Thing 1 ( 178996 ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @09:36AM (#14137002) Journal
    Yeah, if you want your mod points taken away forever like mine were from some incident in the past that I was not made aware of so I have no idea what caused it, and likewise have no idea what to do to fix it.

    Perhaps, purchase a subscription? Not when I'm treated that way...

  • by g2devi ( 898503 ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @09:55AM (#14137134)
    Actually it's not so bad:
    http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200511251 44611543 [groklaw.net]

    I'll let you judge for yourself how good or bad it is:

    MS XML
    <w:r> <w:rPr> <w:b /> </w:rPr> <w:t>this is bold</w:t> </w:r>

    OpenDocument
    <text:span text:style-name="Strong_20_Emphasis"> this is bold </text:span>

    XHTML
    <b>this is bold</b>

  • I am confused ... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by dominic.laporte ( 306430 ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @10:41AM (#14137444)
    what about this [consortiuminfo.org]
  • by shis-ka-bob ( 595298 ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @11:11AM (#14137707)
    Standards are not fun. Try reading standards for mundane things like nuts and bolts. Besides the obvious pitch and diameter, there are all sorts of standards for the profiles of each thread, the metals that are to be used, how the strength of the screw is to be determined, and so on. Even in the 'obvious' features like diameter and pitch, don't you suppose that there needs to be an agreed upon margin of error? The standards are dry as the Sahara, but I'm really glad that I don't have to worry about having to get nuts and bolts from the same batch or even from the same manufacturer.

    Why should software be different than nuts and bolts? Large detailed standards are not a bad thing. Now, if you can show that ODF is poorly designed compared with Microsoft's format, then I will listen. From the review of the two formats on Groklaw, I am actually inclined to prefer ODF to Microsoft's Office XML. ODF uses XLink, rather than reinventing that wheel, and ODF allows for mixed content (text and tags within the same parent tag) just like (X)HTML.

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