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Using Excel As a 3D Graphics Engine 292

simoniker writes "Obviously whimsical but slightly mind-blowing — an Eastern European coder has published video and the Excel tables to get full 3D wireframe running in Microsoft Excel. He even has solid polygonal graphics running. This isn't an Easter Egg by the Excel creators. Rather, he's using formulas to output the graphics, using two different methods, and showing all the variables on-screen in real time as the 3D is created."
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Using Excel As a 3D Graphics Engine

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  • by da_matta ( 854422 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:55PM (#22665214)
    ..because it's there?
  • by mattgoldey ( 753976 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:57PM (#22665248)
    You people that ask why on posts like this need to turn in your geek card. Geeks do this kind of stuff because we can. We like a challenge. We like to explore technology to its fullest to find out just how much it can do -- despite the fact that there aren't any practical applications for whatever we come up with. It's all about exploration and learning (and a little bit about showing off what we can do).

  • by pembo13 ( 770295 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:58PM (#22665278) Homepage
    Because there was surely no productive results out of this. If he had used some open source (sorry) spreadsheet program at least he may have found and filed some bugs.
  • by jandrese ( 485 ) <kensama@vt.edu> on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:59PM (#22665290) Homepage Journal
    Back when I took graphics in college, it was made abundantly clear that all modern graphics are just large math problems solved in realtime. We did all sorts of work messing with transformation matrices and doing the math (sadly, since this was done by the CS department we did a lot less of the useful stuff and a lot more of the theoretical underpinnings that you don't technically need to know when actually programming something).

    Anyway, the point is that Excel is reasonably well set up for doing the kind of math you need to do when making computer graphics and has vector output capabilities. It's a neat trick and something that would likely be useful in teaching the underpinnings (watching what happens as you tweak variables in a transformation matrix in realtime would have been very nice when I was taking my class).
  • by Scrameustache ( 459504 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @02:01PM (#22665316) Homepage Journal

    ...why?
    Same reason others climb mountains.
  • by dazedNconfuzed ( 154242 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @02:13PM (#22665518)
    Strange how much human accomplishment and progress comes from contemplation of the irrelevant. - Scott Kim.
  • by sm62704 ( 957197 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @02:25PM (#22665688) Journal
    There's no such thing as "too much free time". My seventy six year old retired dad says he doesn't know how he ever found the time to work!
  • by Fëanáro ( 130986 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @02:26PM (#22665706)
    I might be missing the joke and taking this way to seriously, but I really cannot stand that attitude. I guess it's easy to push my buttons.

    In wich deranged moral system is there some sort of duty that forces smart guys to spend all their available time on things useful for society?

    (And who decides what is beneficial for society anyway?)

    If his hoby was playing chess or collecting stamps or climbing mountains, would you say that he should spend his time on more useful things? If he could afford to spend a lot of time on those hobbies, why shouldn't he?

    So why is it that every time someone does something cool and strange and for all purposes harmless, someone else always has to say "THIS GUY HAS WAY TOO MUCH FREE TIME"? Someone who, I might add, spends his time on slashdot?

    Envy?
    (I know I am envious, I wish I had the time and the determination to do a lot of these things. Considering that I am wasting time on slasdot, determination is what I am lacking more of)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 06, 2008 @02:35PM (#22665836)

    sadly, since this was done by the CS department we did a lot less of the useful stuff and a lot more of the theoretical underpinnings that you don't technically need to know when actually programming something

    That would be because it's the computer science department, not the computer programming department.

    Besides, the point isn't to teach you to write a graphics program -- you should be capable of learning that on your own. The point is to teach how to think about the problems, and especially to teach the background. If you're practiced in thinking about the problems in the right way, you'll be able to learn the implementation details on your own. If all you know is the implementation, you'll never produce anything except the cookbook recipes.

    Of course, there are those who will figure out the theory on their own anyway, but they're likely to produce spectacular results regardless of the details of the course content.

  • by rilister ( 316428 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @02:54PM (#22666070)
    nah, man - I think you missed something. I'm no programmer, but he makes the point that what he's doing here is a different type of programming. It allows him to lay out his program structure in two dimensions. Most (all?) code is laid out as a vertical thread of logical progressive statements, so this does seem different: Excel allows you to visually lay out the relationships between variable in a spatial way.

    It not like he's claiming to have discovered this: this is the fundamental reason why spreadsheets have been used for well over a decade - they give you a logical map. You could lay out a spreadsheet as a single list of mathematical operations, but it would obviously suck in comparison to a a spreadsheet. He's just pointing out this is interesting to think of in terms of a programming paradigm.

    (YAY! I used 'paradigm' and didn't sprout horns or anything!)

    Cheers!
  • by abigor ( 540274 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @02:59PM (#22666130)
    It's his life, and his definition of fun. This was done 100% for himself, and I'll bet he had a blast. I think it's awesome.

    As far as "useless" goes, the best times I've ever had in my life have been essentially "useless" under your definition - sex, travel, rockclimbing, programming for fun, and so forth - though never all of these at once, it must be said.

    Work less, enjoy more.
  • by Fëanáro ( 130986 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @03:02PM (#22666162)

    On a serious note, let me ask, to what end is this pursuit? Of what practical use is it?
    For one thing, what he does is by any metric infinitely more useful than us complaining and arguing about it on slashdot.

    I'm in my 40s now, and time is so precious and I just see something like this as a sad waste. Here's a guy who is obviously intelligent but he devoted an amount of his finite time on planet earth doing something basically useless to himself and others. Were his energies properly "self-directed" think what he could have done for himself!! Think about the lost potential in the form of dedication, intelligence, and time!!!
    Ok, now you are obviously trolling.

    A "sad waste" would be if you lived your life without ever doing anything just because you liked doing it.
    And dedication or intelligence is not some limited resource that gets less each time you use it on something you enjoy, quite the opposite.
    Same for time, unless you somehow manage to live your live without any free time (which brings us back to the "sad waste")
  • by Rufus211 ( 221883 ) <rufus-slashdotNO@SPAMhackish.org> on Thursday March 06, 2008 @03:05PM (#22666202) Homepage
    FAIL.

    you can't have extra spaces in a CSV, unless you drive a " Porsche".
  • by Rakishi ( 759894 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @03:16PM (#22666368)

    On a serious note, let me ask, to what end is this pursuit? Of what practical use is it? Oh, sure, you can do what ever you want in life, but the whole excel thing sounds like something to do when you are bored.

    I'm in my 40s now, and time is so precious and I just see something like this as a sad waste. Here's a guy who is obviously intelligent but he devoted an amount of his finite time on planet earth doing something basically useless to himself and others. Were his energies properly "self-directed" think what he could have done for himself!! Think about the lost potential in the form of dedication, intelligence, and time!!!
    ...says the guy wasting his time posting on slashdot.
  • Why Did You Ask? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @03:19PM (#22666412) Homepage Journal
    The answers are the same.
  • by DynamiteNeon ( 623949 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @03:28PM (#22666560)
    "The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time." - Bertrand Russell

    I suppose I could have said a whole bunch more, but that sums it up nicely.
  • by tacroy ( 813477 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @03:30PM (#22666588)
    All those hard workers are content to just do it the long way.
  • by shutdown -p now ( 807394 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @03:44PM (#22666790) Journal
    He had fun. What else really matters in life, in the end?
  • by zizzo ( 86200 ) <.moc.oohay. .ta. .tlobhsif.> on Thursday March 06, 2008 @04:15PM (#22667280) Homepage
    Heck with an ID as low as mine...

    Old != Smart
  • Eastern European? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jabber ( 13196 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @04:22PM (#22667388) Homepage
    "Eastern Europe" is not some nebulous region with fuzzy borders on a map, with "Here there be coders" written in illuminated calligraphy in the very middle of a vast, blank area.

    This guy's email address is in Hungary which means he's probably Hungarian. That's a country directly between Austria and Bulgaria, south of Poland and north of Greece (indirectly) which, depending on where you draw the Eastern boundary of Europe, may or may not be in "Eastern" Europe. It lies almost precisely between the western border of France and the Eastern border of Ukraine, the northern border of Poland and the southern border of Greece (excluding Cyprus), making this guy more of a Central European.

    French coders are French, German coders are German. What makes a Hungarian coder "Eastern European"?
  • by code4fun ( 739014 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @11:59PM (#22672214)
    You're just jealous. 3D pipeline in software is cool. 3D pipeline in Excel is even cooler! I try to avoid using office apps, but it's pretty impressive what Excel can do and how people think of ways to use it. Maybe Microsoft can advertise it (3D pipeline inside). ;-)
  • by alshithead ( 981606 ) on Friday March 07, 2008 @12:56AM (#22672470)
    "I thought geeks bit the heads off live chickens and nerds pushed technology to to the limit."

    I guess I prefer the newer usage of "geek" over the older when applied to me. "Hacker" has changed too. Eh, try calling someone "niggardly" and see what happens. I sometimes wish English evolved a little more slowly, at least as far as usage of existing words.

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