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When Developers Work Late, Should the Manager Stay? 426

jammag writes "A veteran developer looks back — in irritation — at those times he had to work late and his unskilled manager stayed too, just to look over his shoulder and add worry and fret to the process. Now, that same developer is a manager himself — and recently stayed late to ride herd over late-working developers. 'And guess what? Yep, I hadn't coded in years and never in the language he had to work with.' Yet now he understood: his own butt was on the line, so he was staying put. Still, does it really help developers to have management hovering on a late evening, even if the boss handles pizza delivery?"
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When Developers Work Late, Should the Manager Stay?

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  • by RedK ( 112790 ) on Sunday December 20, 2009 @02:59PM (#30505656)
    We all go home or nobody goes home.
  • by furball ( 2853 ) on Sunday December 20, 2009 @03:04PM (#30505692) Journal

    A blow job would be nice, thanks.

    This is a good time to go over sexual harassment laws. A blow job may not be sexual harassment. Your standard sexual harassment training may have taught you that it is and it may be for your particular business. However, the laws on sexual harassment is a little bit more complex than that.

    It all has to do with the context of the action and the nature of the business. For example, if you work in a finance company walking up to someone and asking, "Her breasts look wrong. Can you review it?" That's sexual harassment. If you work in publishing and are dealing with models and your role in the company is related to photography walking up and asking an editor "Her breasts look wrong. Can you review it?" is not sexual harassment.

    So in review, I can't tell you if a blow job is sexual harassment or not. Chances are that it is. However, it all depends on the context of your business. I mean if you're working in a brothel and there's 30 dudes wanting blow jobs asking a manager to help out by giving someone a blow job so that the dudes waiting for a blow job can be serviced and get on with their way would not be sexual harassment.

    As they say, "And knowing's half the battle."

  • by furball ( 2853 ) on Sunday December 20, 2009 @03:10PM (#30505738) Journal

    Addendum: If you are working in publishing and you are dealing with models and your role in the company is related to photography, walking up to an editor and saying, "Nice rack!" is still sexual harassment. Just thought I'd clear that up in case anyone was wondering.

  • by unassimilatible ( 225662 ) on Sunday December 20, 2009 @03:11PM (#30505756) Journal
    That seems to be the gist of this article.
  • by benjamindees ( 441808 ) on Sunday December 20, 2009 @03:25PM (#30505850) Homepage

    It's also not possible to sexually harass your boss.

    For instance, if you have a hot boss and you call her "sugar tits" then chances are she might fire you but you would not be violating any laws so that would be the worst of your punishment.

    If, on the other hand, your hot boss calls you "sugar tits", chances are that you are just a typical fat slashdotter and she isn't attracted to you anyways, but is merely making fun of you. Aren't laws fun.

  • by syousef ( 465911 ) on Sunday December 20, 2009 @03:47PM (#30506048) Journal

    A blow job would be nice, thanks.

    You obviously have a different manager to me. *shudder*

  • by Shane dot H ( 1615249 ) on Sunday December 20, 2009 @05:34PM (#30506760)

    Maybe it's because I'm part of a small team - but I don't really get this. I can communicate with my co-workers directly much better than if my words have to be filtered through my manager. That's just adding an unnecessary layer of possible misinterpretation/mistranslation (even if he had my particular skillset, which he doesn't).

    Well look I already told you! I deal with the goddamn coworkers so the programmers don't have to. I have people skills! I am good at dealing with people, can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?

  • Re:Yes (Score:4, Funny)

    by Rewind ( 138843 ) on Sunday December 20, 2009 @05:57PM (#30506916)
    I mean this in the nicest way possible, but if I had to work late and I found out that you got our pizza, mountain dew, and coffee replaced with a salad... well... bad things might happen :P
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 20, 2009 @06:05PM (#30506988)

    Report to HR for another briefing, please.

    De-briefing?

  • Re:Yes (Score:4, Funny)

    by tool462 ( 677306 ) on Sunday December 20, 2009 @06:11PM (#30507046)

    Taking pride in lack of sleep is like taking pride in hitting yourself with a hammer.
    Taking pride in living on coffee, mountain dew and pizza, is like taking pride in drinking a shot glass of poison once a day.
    It is not cool, it is not “manly”, it is not hackerish, is is not geeky.
    It”s Joe-Lower-Class-level retard-“coolness”.

    Speaking as a coffee drinking, beer swilling, pizza eating, 4-hour-a-night sleeping Joe-Lower-Class-level retard, I agree completely. I can take a hammer better than anybody. They don't call me Mjolnir's Bane for nothing.

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to my hooker & blackjack party.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 20, 2009 @11:42PM (#30508768)
    Agile: Any of a number of methodologies used by organizations where product managers don't know what's needed, developers don't know how to estimate projects, project managers won't take responsibility for projects, and whose customers accept that they have no idea if what's in the upcoming release will solve their problems.
  • by dintech ( 998802 ) on Monday December 21, 2009 @05:24AM (#30510150)

    Mmmmm... yeah. I'm gonna have to go ahead and ask you to come in on Memorial Day. That would be great.

  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Monday December 21, 2009 @05:32AM (#30510178)

    Upper management doesn't "goof off". They "socialize". It stops being "goofing off" at around 40 bucks an hour or so...

  • by Aqualung812 ( 959532 ) on Monday December 21, 2009 @08:20AM (#30510918)

    Hard to find a smoker in environments I've worked in the past 15 years

    It's called the Midwest. I have just recently found programmers that have quit smoking, but all of them smoked at some point.

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