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Dell and HP To Sell Oracle Operating Systems

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  • Hey, Dell (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Dracos (107777) on Friday July 30, 2010 @02:08PM (#33086348)

    If you really want to demonstrate your commitment to openness, let us buy laptops with Ubuntu.

  • Re:"Demonstrates..." (Score:1, Interesting)

    by TheDarkPassenger (1840942) on Friday July 30, 2010 @02:08PM (#33086352)
    Oracle makes Apple look open.
  • by commodore64_love (1445365) on Friday July 30, 2010 @02:12PM (#33086404) Journal

    I have a friend who works for Oracle. He's constantly bitching about them and their disorganization. He's trying to find someplace else to work, even if it's the Evil Microsoft. Wow. Must be really bad, if he's willing to do that!

  • Ubuntu Linux? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Mizery De Aria (554294) on Friday July 30, 2010 @02:16PM (#33086460)
    Demonstrates their openness? Didn't Dell recently stop offering Ubuntu Linux? Perhaps this is related to why Dell stopped offering Ubuntu Linux? X_X
  • Re:Hey, Dell & HP! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 30, 2010 @02:18PM (#33086486)

    It't not just Dell. I bought an HP dv8t Quad edition (core i7) for $2018.99 a few months back. After loading Linux on it, found out the ONLY way to update the BIOS is via Windows7. The ACPI in the BIOS that shipped with the laptop is severely broken, but because they have tied the BIOS update to the Windows 7 OS I have no way to update the system. I for one will NEVER buy another HP product again!

  • Re:"Demonstrates..." (Score:2, Interesting)

    by CastrTroy (595695) on Friday July 30, 2010 @02:36PM (#33086706) Homepage
    I really can't see much of a use for something like Oracle. Either you are writing a small/medium sized application where something like MySQL/PostGres would do just fine out of the box, without any modifications, or you are doing something really large, which you end up writing your own custom storage solution for, which does exactly only what you need it to do, and is very finely tuned. Even large and busy sites like CraigsList use MySQL and other free products to handle their data.
  • Re:Hey, Dell & HP! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Nadaka (224565) on Friday July 30, 2010 @02:44PM (#33086792)

    HP is horrific. Of the 5 or 6 HP computers that I have owned or have performed "family tech support" for, each and every one of them has failed within a month after the end of the warranty period.

    One of them was struck by lightning a month after I got it, it didn't matter that HP's warranty didn't cover it as an act of god because my surge protectors warranty definitely covered it. HP claimed that it was not struck by lightning, but instead someone had drenched it in soda, they offered to "fix it" at a cost higher than its original retail cost. I refused and demanded a refund, they refused and returned the disassembled laptop. I eventually got it mostly working again after soldering a few wires into the power plug that was scorched by electrical arcing... Until a month after the original warranty expired and it bricked itself.

  • by hoggoth (414195) on Friday July 30, 2010 @02:47PM (#33086840) Journal

    Oracle swallowed up a company that acquired a company that bought a company that had a technology I needed to use. I called Oracle and tried to find someone, anyone, who knew anything about how I could purchase it. Nobody had ever heard of either the product or the company. Finally after hours of searching I found the entire thing available fully functional for download deep inside Oracle's labyrinth of twisty little web pages, all alike. The text had disclaimers that you had to purchase a license to use the software. I called back and tried to find someone, anyone, who would let me pay for the software. No luck. I'm testing it now, but I don't know if I can use it in production. Neither does anyone else.

  • Re:"Demonstrates..." (Score:5, Interesting)

    by afabbro (33948) on Friday July 30, 2010 @02:57PM (#33087006) Homepage

    I really can't see much of a use for something like Oracle. Either you are writing a small/medium sized application where something like MySQL/PostGres would do just fine out of the box, without any modifications, or you are doing something really large, which you end up writing your own custom storage solution for, which does exactly only what you need it to do, and is very finely tuned.

    Perhaps, but most shops find it's cheaper to license Oracle, DB/2, etc. than to write their own storage system from scratch, particularly if they need high multiuser concurrency and MVCC.

    Even large and busy sites like CraigsList use MySQL and other free products to handle their data.

    Craigslist does not have to manage a very large single image database. The data that appears for San Francisco does not have to be in sync with the ads that appears for Chicago. I imagine all of the ads for San Francisco (probably their biggest city) could fit in memory for a MySQL database. It's just easily compressable text and ads are short. Also, they don't keep more than 7 days. Given those requirements, MySQL is easy.

    Facebook does not really use MySQL but rather MySQL they've rewritten to use as a backing store for their gazillion memcache servers.

    At the other end of the spectrum, Amazon and telcos use Oracle, primarily because they need one consistent data image everywhere. Banks, airlines, shipping companies, etc. use DB/2 on the mainframe or Oracle for the same reason. If Facebook misses a post or doesn't update your home page, who cares...if a bank allows a payment because it's not looking at an up-to-date view of an account or Amazon 500 copies of a book when it only has 450 in stock, that is a problem.

    Oracle also has better features for minimizing or eliminating downtime for maintenance, recovering from user errors, disaster recovery, etc. And frankly, Oracle performs better under high workloads and scales further owing to better design. For now.

    Oracle is overused perhaps but it (and DB/2) still do things the free versions don't. The free versions are catching up...Postgres is at about Oracle 7 or 8, depending on which feature you look at. I do think they'll eventually catch up, but it's silly to say there is no use for something like Oracle.

    BTW, what drives overuse of Oracle is not laziness or tradition but scaling down of big solutions. Company X develops solution Y for $GIANT_CUSTOMER. They then sell it to smaller customers but have only tested it on Oracle, so smaller customers use Oracle. Vertical integration dictates software (and to some extent hardware) architecture in many cases.

  • Why? (Score:0, Interesting)

    by acalltoreason (1732266) on Friday July 30, 2010 @03:07PM (#33087142)
    Why bother selling a box to and everyday user that has Solaris on it. WE run several Solaris servers at my job and they are a pain in the ass. Don't get me wrong, it is a nice OS, but its really hard to get used to and I just don't see a regular user getting used to it. They should go back to Ubuntu or Debian, at least those are somewhat intuitive. Then again, you need to have some proficiency with computers t use either Debian or Ubuntu and anyone with that proficiency would just install it themselves.
  • Re:"Demonstrates..." (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Hylandr (813770) on Friday July 30, 2010 @03:07PM (#33087154) Homepage
    Oracle is a very real threat to the open source community or Commercial Linux vendors in general. They have been rebuilding the Unix cathedral with an old guard dominance of Unix knowledge and development. Try finding any information for free on their websites. Now couple that with vendor lock in...

    - Dan.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 30, 2010 @03:34PM (#33087584)

    What's the product? I could do some digging on the intranet and maybe come up with something...

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