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Oracle and the Java Ecosystem 157

Posted by samzenpus
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First time accepted submitter twofishy writes "After an undeniably rocky start, which saw high profile resignations from the JCP, including Doug Lea (who remains active in the OpenJDK), and the Apache Software Foundation, Oracle is making significant efforts to re-engage with the wider Java ecosystem, a theme which it talked up at the most recent JavaOne conference. The company is working hard to engage with the Java User Group leaders and Java Champions, membership of the OpenJDK project is growing, and the company is making efforts to reform the Java Community Process to improve transparency. The firm has also published a clear, well-defined Java roadmap toward Java 8 and Java 9."
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Oracle and the Java Ecosystem

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  • *Yawn* (Score:5, Insightful)

    by WildTangent (982186) on Monday January 16, 2012 @01:58PM (#38715398) Homepage
    Talk is cheap.
  • jigsaw (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 16, 2012 @02:02PM (#38715446)

    seeing what's happening on the modularization front i'm afraid it'll be just like the fiasco with log4j and jdk logging which came afterwards. modularization is what java applications (well, backend servers powering too complex enterprisey-apps) need, and that should be achieved through the means of easy to use osgi tools instead of yet another (sun|oracle) screwup mimicking an "oss standard".

  • I wish ... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Elgonn (921934) on Monday January 16, 2012 @02:12PM (#38715558)
    That OpenJDK could just get the lion share of development and mindshare. If LibreOffice can functionally replace OpenOffice there's hope for OpenJDK. Unfortunately LibreOffice had years of a head start on that front (functionally go-oo, etc).
  • by the computer guy nex (916959) on Monday January 16, 2012 @02:17PM (#38715610)
    I would say the majority of Slashdot readers using Java do so in an enterprise environment. The Java Enterprise Edition (JEE) specification is controlled by the JCP, where Oracle has heavy influence. JEE application servers adhere strictly to this spec.
  • Sounds promising (Score:4, Insightful)

    by msobkow (48369) on Monday January 16, 2012 @02:20PM (#38715652) Homepage Journal

    The Java Community Process, through a series of initiatives lead by chairman Patrick Curran, is aiming to improve its transparency and agility. JSR 348, which is the first in a series of reforms Oracle plans for the JCP, has passed final approval ballot. It represents relatively minor changes, but it is still an important step, requiring that in the future all Expert Groups conduct all of their business in public, using a public mailing-list and a public issue-tracker.

    It should be readily apparent from my own open documentation and planning approach for MSS Code Factory and Singularity One just how much I believe openness to be CRITICAL to running a modern technology endeavour. The days of closed door development and the sudden release of new technology products is not only disruptive to the industry and employment, it's a fundamentally wrong-headed approach to someone who believes in the GPL ethos as I do.

    Kudos to Oracle for realizing the way they were handling things was going against the principles of the way Sun had originally configured the Java community.

  • by 0123456 (636235) on Monday January 16, 2012 @02:31PM (#38715796)

    Adding unsigned types to the language would add very little value, but it would add at least some value, so I won't argue with that one.

    Not having unsigned types is probably the second dumbest decision in Java's design, after compulsory garbage collection.

    Sure, you can work around it by using larger data types (e.g. short when you really mean byte), but it's a real pain when interoperating with code in other languages.

  • Seriously, unless you are doing something weird, reasonably OK written java app would run under any platform. There might be some small issues, but cross-platform apps with Java are much much much easier to write than cross-platform apps with anything else.

    --Coder
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 16, 2012 @02:56PM (#38716100)

    Of the alternatives you list, only the GNU GCJ is not shut down. Apache Harmony has been discontinued (retired to the Apache attic http://attic.apache.org/projects/harmony.html) and IBM has pulled their Harmony committers to OpenJDK instead (http://www.sutor.com/c/2010/10/ibm-joins-the-openjdk-community/).

  • by afabbro (33948) on Monday January 16, 2012 @03:10PM (#38716268) Homepage

    I would say the majority of Slashdot readers using Java do so in an enterprise environment.

    I would say the majority of Slashdot readers using Java do so in class.

  • by Bucky24 (1943328) on Monday January 16, 2012 @03:26PM (#38716410)
    This. I haven't had to use Java since I left school (and hell even in school we only used it to learn the basics of programming)
  • by Rary (566291) on Monday January 16, 2012 @04:25PM (#38717186)

    Personally, I think the use of an explicit boolean to flag the "not found" condition makes the code much clearer. That's actually one of the main arguments against unstructured use of GOTO. The code is generally more readable and maintainable if you don't use GOTO. In your Java example, it is quite clear, even without looking at the loop code, that the code after the loop will only execute if the item is not found. This is not clear in the C/C++ example using GOTO, where it is necessary to look at the loop code to understand the code that follows it.

    Obviously this is a simple example, but it does demonstrate how an unstructured jump provides at least a little obfuscation, where a more structured approach provides clarity.

    The Python case just looks odd to me. There's nothing about a loop construct that necessitates an "else" condition. Obviously, I understand what you're doing in that example thanks to the previous two examples, but if I were to just look at the Python code on its own, I'd be at a loss to figure out what the "else" even means. Logically, the "else" should belong to the "if", which would indicate that the string literal would be printed each time that X was not equal to 12 (meaning it prints 10 times). The indentation suggests that it belongs with the "for", but given that "for" is a loop construct, not a conditional construct, what does "else" even mean in that context? It's very bizarre.

    Basically, I can see some (limited) value in the construct, but I disagree with that implementation.

  • by tlhIngan (30335) <slashdotNO@SPAMworf.net> on Monday January 16, 2012 @04:40PM (#38717422)

    Stop suing Google and get a fair license for Android if they choose to stay with SUN java and not OpenJDK. .

    You do realize that J2ME (what Android uses) is the primary source of revenue for Java, right? It's why the patents are royalty free for J2SE and J2EE, but not for J2ME. All those featurephones pay to have that little-used JVM on them.

    So yeah, Google can license J2ME from Oracle, but not for free, otherwise Java really would die because it won't make any money at all.

    Of course, if Android implements full J2SE (using OpenJDK), then all that patent nonsense goes away because it's under the free patent licensing...

  • Re:*Yawn* (Score:4, Insightful)

    by pak9rabid (1011935) on Monday January 16, 2012 @09:29PM (#38720370)

    ... java is history, so to say.

    No, it's not. And the reason it's not is because it's already entrenched. Hell, just last week [tiobe.com] it was reported that Java was still the #1 language being used; it's certainly not disappearing anytime soon. Oracle will get it right, or face hundreds of pissed off businesses and governments.

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