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Zuckerberg Lobbies For More Liberal Immigration Policies 484

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An anonymous reader writes "Mark Zuckerberg, along with other notables such as Google's Eric Schmidt, Yahoo's Marissa Mayer and Reid Hoffman, co-founder of Linkedin, has launched a new immigration reform lobbying group called FWD.us. In an editorial in the Washington Post, Zuckerberg claims that immigrants are the key to a future knowledge-based economy in a United States which currently has 'a strange immigration policy for a nation of immigrants.' As expected, they are calling for more of the controversial H-1B visas which reached their maximum limit in less than a week this year, but those aren't the only things they're looking to change."
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Zuckerberg Lobbies For More Liberal Immigration Policies

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  • FWD.us? (Score:5, Funny)

    by QRDeNameland (873957) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:17PM (#43424823)
    Facebook's Wealth Demands unlimited slaves?
    • Re:FWD.us? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:20PM (#43424877)
      Pretty much. This H1-B VISA push is called "in-sourcing" by the trade; you bring a bunch of folks from overseas and then you pay them less than what the local talent would want and you push the market down. Then you can hire local talent as well at a discount. If a large number of major corporations want something you'd be right to be suspicious.
      • Re:FWD.us? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by TWiTfan (2887093) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:26PM (#43424949)

        The great thing about it is that once you artificially drive down wages with H1B's, then you get to advertise more fake jobs for those low wages. And when you don't get enough applicants, you complain that you need even *MORE* H1B visas, driving down wages even more. Rinse. Wash. Repeat.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Are H1B visas artificially driving down wages or are protectionist immigration policies artificially driving up wages?

          • Re:FWD.us? (Score:5, Insightful)

            by JDG1980 (2438906) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:39PM (#43425155)

            That's precisely the point – there is no "natural" state of what things "should" be, since the entire structure of the "free market" is itself the product of government intervention. (Multinational corporations are a direct creation of government, they sure as hell don't exist in a state of nature. Same with IP laws. And in a state of nature, you only control as much property as you and your friends/family can defend with armed force.) So the question then becomes: why should we structure the market to benefit billionaires like Zuckerberg instead of ordinary working programmers?

            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              by retchdog (1319261)

              Multinational corporations are a direct creation of government, they sure as hell don't exist in a state of nature.

              that's true only insofar as the government funded most of the information age (this is either because the market wasn't smart enough to do it by itself, or because there's a nefarious plot to force people to rely on the state, depending on your ideology).

              in a world with as much communication technology as we have now, multinational corporations are sure as shit ``natural."

              clue the second: multi

            • Re:FWD.us? (Score:5, Insightful)

              by briancox2 (2417470) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:56PM (#43425349) Homepage Journal
              The sworn purpose of the United States government is to act in the best interest of its citizens and their protection. Letting a company the size of Facebook effectively design immigration policy to the disadvantage of US citizens is actively working against that purpose. That's fraud.
              • Re:FWD.us? (Score:5, Insightful)

                by ShanghaiBill (739463) * on Thursday April 11, 2013 @03:26PM (#43425711)

                The sworn purpose of the United States government is to act in the best interest of its citizens and their protection.

                They are acting in the best interest of the citizens. They just aren't acting in your best interest. Letting in more techies is good for America. There are still some losers, such as techie citizens that have to compete, but it is still a win for the overall economy. Face it: you belong to a special interest group that is trying to get the government to act on your behalf by reducing competition, at the expense of the country as a whole.

                • Re:FWD.us? (Score:5, Insightful)

                  by femtobyte (710429) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @03:53PM (#43425969)

                  The problem is that this pattern isn't limited to one sector of the economy; it's everywhere.

                  Perhaps in isolation you could say "favor capital over labor in the hi-tech sector to drive down wages to make it cheaper for everyone else --- it's worth paying management $1M more, if they can cut wages by $2M." The problem is, at the same time, it's "favor capital over labor to drive down wages in manufacturing"; "favor capital over labor to drive down wages in retail"; "favor capital over labor to drive down wages in service industries"; etc. --- at the end of the day, the "everyone else" you're trying to "help" can't afford even the cheaper services, because they've lost their own wages and/or jobs. The only people who benefit are the tiny capital/management class, who "earn" their wages for taking money away from everyone else. Unless you look at the system as a whole --- where it's obvious that slashing wages for the majority of people doesn't help the majority of people --- you'll be fooled into your addled style of thinking.

                  • Re:FWD.us? (Score:4, Insightful)

                    by tehcyder (746570) on Friday April 12, 2013 @04:34AM (#43430601) Journal

                    The only people who benefit are the tiny capital/management class, who "earn" their wages for taking money away from everyone else.

                    That is pretty much the definition of capitalism isn't it?

                    The only issue is whether it still leaves the majority of people at the bottom better off in absolute terms, even if the relative gap to the top is greater

                    The question then is how important is equality compared with wealth. And assuming that increasing GDP is the only important definition of success is begging the question.

                • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                  by cayenne8 (626475)

                  They are acting in the best interest of the citizens.

                  No, they are not.

                  The best interest of US citizens would be to make sure that OUR citizens filled those spots at citizen market rates....and ONLY after that supply is expended, do we allow limited immigrant workers in.

                  You'd think the govt would want US citizens to get the jobs first...since they live here pay taxes here, and spend money here (rather than sending $$'s home to relatives overseas or across the border).

                  Somewhat protectionist? Sure, I see

                  • Re:FWD.us? (Score:4, Informative)

                    by ShanghaiBill (739463) * on Thursday April 11, 2013 @11:42PM (#43429645)

                    They are acting in the best interest of the citizens.

                    The best interest of US citizens would be to make sure that OUR citizens filled those spots at citizen market rates

                    You are repeating the Lump of Labor Fallacy [wikipedia.org]. An economy is not a zero-sum-game with a fixed number of jobs to be "filled". If more workers are available, business will expand. As the workers set up households and buy products, they generate more jobs in other industries. Immigrants don't "steal" jobs, because the economy expands. This is not just theory. When Poland and other central European countries were admitted to the EU, most countries in Western Europe enacted restrictions to keep them from "stealing" jobs. Only Britain and Sweden allowed them to come and work. Over the following years, Britain and Sweden had lower unemployment than the more restrictive countries.

                  • Re:FWD.us? (Score:4, Insightful)

                    by Solandri (704621) on Friday April 12, 2013 @02:51AM (#43430353)
                    I don't disagree with the problems the H1B causes for citizens that you cite. However, the secondary intent of the program is to entice bright foreigners to come work in the U.S., and eventually become U.S. citizens. i.e. The reverse of brain drain - bring the best and brightest in the world into the U.S. and put them on the path of becoming citizens. Once they're citizens, they'll raise the productivity of the country more than an average citizen, and increase the tax base (so everyone benefits from their presence).

                    So it's not simply a matter of whether or not people here on a H1B take away jobs from current citizens. Its whether the long-term good they could do by becoming citizens outweighs the short-term harm they do by taking jobs away from current citizens. If you have no H1Bs, you'll actually be harming the country by losing bright, talented citizens to other countries with H1B-like incentive visas. OTOH, too many H1Bs and the lingering effects of the short-term harm outweigh the good long-term effects.

                    Somewhere in between is a happy medium where the long-term good most outweighs the short-term harm. What's under debate is where exactly that maximum lies. Unfortunately, if the government only listens to the immediate beneficiaries of the H1B program (the companies which are getting cheap foreign skilled labor) and not enough to unemployed citizen professionals, it will tend to err on the side of issuing too many H1Bs.
              • Re:FWD.us? (Score:4, Insightful)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11, 2013 @03:49PM (#43425935)

                The word you are looking for is treason.

          • Re:FWD.us? (Score:5, Interesting)

            by MickyTheIdiot (1032226) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:56PM (#43425353) Homepage Journal

            What bullshit. "Protectionist" my ass.

            The U.S. is the ONLY economy in the world where government *doesn't* work to make sure that their own citizens are first in line for jobs. Just try to emigrate to the U.K. Try to emigrate to Canada.

            Somehow we have a majority of people that are willing to parrot the corporate position on issues. Protecting your citizen's job first is not "protectionism," it's doing what the god damned government is SUPPOSED to do.

            • Re:FWD.us? (Score:4, Insightful)

              by ebno-10db (1459097) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @03:08PM (#43425481)
              Indeed, some peons attitude towards this "protectionism" brings to mind an old term: useful idiots.
            • by Mashiki (184564)

              I see you haven't been following the RBC saga [financialpost.com] up here in Canada, where the Royal Bank of Canada has been 'outsourcing' workers and replacing Canadian ones.

            • Re:FWD.us? (Score:5, Insightful)

              by Dracos (107777) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @03:55PM (#43425991)

              We've had three decades of subtle propaganda that misrepresents corporate interests as American interests. Corporate america has shifted from treating employees as assets to treating them as liabilities. Our corporate law forces corporations to seek short term profits uber alles, bringing in cheaper foreign labor is just one aspect of that. The entire scheme is short-sighted.

            • Re:FWD.us? (Score:5, Insightful)

              by TheGratefulNet (143330) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @03:58PM (#43426027)

              you're goddamn fucking right!

              if we don't protect ourselves, we won't HAVE a middle class.

              you corp bootlickers really want that? think it thru, please. erosion of our middle class hurts everyone in the long-run.

              I do think the country owes me (as someone who was born here and spent nearly 50 years paying taxes, working, investing in my own country and infrastructure) more than they owe some disconnected foreigner who comes here for short-term gains and then goes back home again.

              the 'free market' has not shown itself to be self policing so the gov HAS to step in and ensure fairness to the people who LIVE here.

              yes, it owes us that. we paid into the system in many ways and its only right we get first dibs on the pay-outs. that includes having a decent job that can pay the bills and keep us in the standard of living that we have EARNED. yes, earned. this is not asking for any handouts!

              • by dintech (998802)

                hurts everyone in the long-run.

                This has never been a consideration for the ruling classes. The corporations have a horizon as far as their next yearly statement, the politicians it's the next election.

            • by Minupla (62455)

              Try to emigrate to Canada.

              Elaborate please? I ask because my wife did exactly that (emigrated from the US to Canada).

              She would argue that Canadian immigration policy is much more even handed (score enough points, get in). This is especially true for US professionals (look up the NAFTA TN-1 visa). There are also guest worker programs.

              Once you are a perm resident, there are two requirements:

              1) Don't do anything deportable
              2) Spend enough time in Canada, rather then somewhere else.

              You do those two things are

        • by ArsonSmith (13997)

          Then all your customers are making less overall money and your sales drop, profits drop, company goes out of business.

          The invisible hand pushes both ways.

      • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

        by QRDeNameland (873957)

        I also thought this was particularly galling:

        "Given all this, why do we kick out the more than 40% of math and science graduate students who are not US citizens after educating them?"

        Wait a sec...*who* educated them? Does the US gov't typically pay a foreign student's tuition, or do they have to either pay their own way or manage a grant/scholarship? My guess would be the latter case would be the overwhelming majority, with the only role of gov't in most cases being to grant a student visa. It's one

        • Wait a sec...*who* educated them? Does the US gov't typically pay a foreign student's tuition, or do they have to either pay their own way or manage a grant/scholarship?.

          No, we pay for it. With the taxes that go to the public school system.

    • by TWiTfan (2887093)

      The slavery comparison is unfair. Slaves couldn't be threatened with deportation.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      If these people are truly needed in the United States, then get rid of H1B indentured servitude. H1Bs may only work for the company that brings them here and that company is free to threaten them - "we'll send you back" type stuff.

      If they are really needed as much as they are portrayed (I honestly have no idea), then let them have a green card so that they can go to other businesses within the border.

      If that happened, then their prices would come up and - gasp - they'd no longer be needed.

      • by rgbscan (321794) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:40PM (#43425167) Homepage

        Choice quotes from a recent article on H1B visas I read over at Cringley...

        "There is a misconception about the H-1B program that it was designed to allow companies to import workers with unique talents. There has long been a visa program for exactly that purpose. The O (for outstanding) visa program is for importing geniuses and nothing else. Interestingly enough, the O visa program has no quotas. So when Bill Gates complained about not being able to import enough top technical people for Microsoft, he wasn’t talking about geniuses, just normal coders."

        and on later......

        "Last year, nearly half of the H-1B visas went to companies like Infosys and Wipro, not marquee companies like Google and Microsoft. Companies such as Infosys are the workhorses of Silicon Valley, large IT firms that churn out the industry’s unglamorous connective tissue: things like boilerplate coding, user support, and network maintenance.

        So, why does the US need to import labor for this lower-skilled work? Matloff says it has to do with wages and immobility. He argues that since employers sponsor H-1Bs visas, foreigners have a limited ability to negotiate higher salaries or switch jobs. If they do manage to change employers, it means they must restart any green card applications. Matloff says these realities “handcuff” H-1B visa holders to their employers. "

        and further on...

        "There are a number of common misunderstandings about the H-1B program, the first of which is its size. H-1B quotas are set by Congress and vary from 65,000 to 190,000 per year. While that would seem to limit the impact of the program on a nation of 300+ million, H-1B is way bigger than you think because each visa lasts for three years and can be extended for another three years after that.

        At any moment, then, there are about 700,000 H-1B visa holders working in the USA.

        Most of these H-1B visa holders work in Information Technology (IT) and most of those come from India. There are about 500,000 IT workers in the USA holding H-1B visas. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, there are about 2.5 million IT workers in America. So approximately 20 percent of the domestic IT workforce isn’t domestic at all, but imported on H-1B visas."

        • That basically confirms what I've been saying repeatedly on Slashdot. Most of those who complain about H-1B advocates who say there isn't enough talent are in theoretical fields like CS. They have very little to no practical experience.

          The typical response I get from them is "yeah well if they simply hired me and let me read some books for a few months then I'll be fine." Wrong answer. Employers want people who already have hands on experience with real equipment. Trade schools are great for that. Your prob

    • Re:FWD.us? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by gutnor (872759) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:42PM (#43425191)

      Facebook is big enough to have branches where they want. They can get their slave anywhere in the world, having them in the US to pay taxes is certainly a better option.

  • by briancox2 (2417470) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:20PM (#43424863) Homepage Journal
    Perhaps Zuckerberg could explain what the indienous population of the US is not capable of knowing that immigrants know. If this is the "key to a future knowledge-based economy", what is it I cannot know as a US citizen that you need, Mr Zuckerberg?
    • by hackula (2596247)
      ...how to do software development for $6.75/hr
    • by jeffmeden (135043)

      Perhaps Zuckerberg could explain what the indienous population of the US is not capable of knowing that immigrants know. If this is the "key to a future knowledge-based economy", what is it I cannot know as a US citizen that you need, Mr Zuckerberg?

      If I told you, I would have to hire you.

      Sincerely,

      Mark Z

  • by jedidiah (1196) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:20PM (#43424869) Homepage

    Immigrants are great, but only so long as they have the same rights as the guy that wants to import/exploit them.

  • education (Score:5, Interesting)

    by schneidafunk (795759) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:21PM (#43424881)
    I guess they've given up on the American education system when making this statement: "Immigrants are the future of a knowledge based society"
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Immigration is good for everyone, though especially for immigrants. Immigrants experience massive wage gains just by stepping over an imaginary line. Nations that receive immigrants receive solid overall growth benefits.

      H1-B visas never fail to bring out the nationalist grief on /.. There is a fallacy that there is a set amount of technology work to do, and if you increase the labor supply, that makes everyone worse off. The labor supply is actually endogenous to the demand for labor. More skilled labor
  • by Xenkar (580240) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:22PM (#43424889)

    Wouldn't it make more sense for Zuckerberg to lobby the US government to restrict the amount of H1B visas going to overseas outsourcing firms? Because if they just raise the limit these overseas outsourcing firms will just gobble up more H1B visas and Zuck and company won't be better off for it.

    • by jedidiah (1196) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:26PM (#43424969) Homepage

      Yes. Quite. Blacklisting 4 Indian companies would leave plenty for everyone else.

    • by metlin (258108) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @05:45PM (#43427451) Journal

      As an immigrant who was once on an H1B, I completely agree with you. Here's the deal: I went to grad school in the U.S., and took up a job in R&D after graduating. My goal, after graduating, was to be part of this country, contribute to its economy and its culture.

      It is hard to say this without sounding elitist, but on some level, painting those who have pursued advanced degrees in this country and for those who are nothing more than warm bodies from IT body shops as being unfair.

      Since then, I have started three companies, one of which was reasonably successful. I married an American girl, bought a house and settled down, and I would like to believe that I have genuinely contributed positively to this economy.

      However, here is the irony of it all: it is far easier for a guy from Infosys or Tata to get an H1B than it would be if I graduated from Stanford with a Ph.D. and wanted to start my own company. The system is so flawed that if I do not have the sponsorship of a big corporation, it is harder for me to get an H1B than a poor Cobol code monkey from India, despite having graduated with an advanced degree from here.

      In contrast, most of those people get low paying jobs pumping out mediocre code, and often end up going back to India with substantial savings. While I can certainly understand their position, they live in their own cultural bubbles and are often not interested in full integrating culturally because they know they aren't settling down here.

      And is IT the only area that really needs people? What about other areas, where people with advanced degrees from the universities of this country can get jobs? Biotech, chem engineering, manufacturing, aeronautical -- you name it. Either limit the program so that it is easier for people to immigrate and integrate, or make the program truly be for talented people who should be part of this country's economy. /rant

  • Immigration (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Stargoat (658863)

    My sister-in-law has been living in the United States for the past six years. She has a pair of masters in Mathematics and Economics and after graduation 2 years ago a good job, making about 50k a year. Yet she stands a decent chance of deportation because she is now in a lotto for the H1B. Why exactly are we kicking out people with masters degrees and good jobs?

    This is insanity. She had a good portion of her schooling supplemented by the US Government. She is now paying taxes and is a law-abiding citi

    • Re:Immigration (Score:5, Insightful)

      by hackula (2596247) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:31PM (#43425033)
      The thing that stands out to be from your statement is that your sister has 2!!! STEM based MAs and still only makes 50k. All sympathies for her, but I can understand why someone might complain that the market is being diluted and driving wages down.
      • by Stargoat (658863)

        Folks outside of major metropolitan areas make a little less. She wanted to live in a rural environment for her health and took a trade-off.

        Heh. When she was in China, she was dying. Literally dying from the pollution / environment. About 82 pounds when she came over and losing weight every year. Came to the United States to a rural university, living as a grad student without two cents to rub together, and still put on weight.

        Pulled herself up by her bootstraps. And now she's likely to get kicked out

        • by Obfuscant (592200)

          And now she's likely to get kicked out.

          Actually, she is kicking herself out. She was allowed to come here by accepting the condition that her stay could not exceed 6 years. Now the six years are up and it is time to fulfill the final condition of her original entry permit. It's sad, but she chose this option.

          We're in a period of unemployment. The fact she has a $50k job and is paying taxes is nice, but if she leaves perhaps someone already here will get the job, make $50k (or more) a year, pay taxes, and stop getting unemployment insurance pay

    • by Jiro (131519)

      Since when do law abiding citizens (or even non-law-abiding citizens) get deported?

    • Because we have americans who have masters degrees that can take that job. It amazes me who people who werent born here feel they have a right to come and go as they please and any hinderance is 'stupid' and 'doesnt make sense'.
    • Re:Immigration (Score:5, Insightful)

      by gbjbaanb (229885) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:43PM (#43425197)

      This is insanity. She had a good portion of her schooling supplemented by the US Government

      I agree, subsidising foreign nationals' schooling is insanity.

  • by dkleinsc (563838) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:22PM (#43424893) Homepage

    "Mark Zuckerberg Lobbies for Cheaper Programmers Who Can't Quit"

    • by Jiro (131519)

      I am honestly puzzled and hope that someone could explain. Supposedly there were some reforms in the process around 2000 which fixed most of the problems with H1Bs. I am led to understand that they did not, but it's hard to find a good explanation of exactly why those reforms didn't help enough. Wikipedia has a vague explanation of "However, many people are ineligible to file I-485 at the current time due to the widespread retrogression in priority dates" which I find completely incomprehensible. Can an

  • S.T.E.M. Education (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MatthewNewberg (519685) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:24PM (#43424919) Homepage
    It would be nice if these companies would be putting this time and effort into pushing for / funding more S.T.E.M. education in the US.
  • by Spy Handler (822350) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:25PM (#43424933) Homepage Journal

    Zuckerberg didn't start his own company, he graduated college and got a job as a software developer.

    Zuckerberg PU: "Corporations lobbying the government to import cheap labor from the third world is unethical. It amounts to indentured servitude and it does nothing but lower wages for the local workforce. It is but a scheme to let the rich grow richer and reduce the middle class to menial labor serfs."

  • by retech (1228598) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:33PM (#43425051)
    No doubt Zuckerberg wants more slave labor to pay the tax base that he and his corp. are evading. I have a better idea Mark, move your ass and everyone else to an impoverished nation. No doubt you'll enjoy the infrastructure, benefits, gov't, and protection that all affords you.
    • by Dishwasha (125561)

      I agree. I say for every tax evading loophole a company uses, the fewer H-1B visas they are allowed.

  • by Endo13 (1000782) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:41PM (#43425177)

    Provided they're legally and actually immigrating, and not just stopping by temporarily to make a quick buck. Our enconomy is already hurting and unemployment is high, we don't need leeches stopping in to steal our jobs then running off to spend the money elsewhere.

    My 0.02.

    • by geekoid (135745)

      They aren't leaches, and they aren't stealing.
      Companies are getting lower paid workers and that's hurting us. But calling the people leaches and thief won't get you anywhere.

  • I consider H1-B's to be very problematic because of how dependent they make someone on an employer. I think there's a real risk of the employer employee relationship becoming too coercive and akin to slavery.

    But, I have no problem with more immigration if the result is full citizens with the same rights as everybody else.

    Perhaps we should have an accelerated citizenship process for people who've been here on an H1-B visa for over a year. That, in combination with actually reducing the number of H1-B visas

  • by QilessQi (2044624) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:52PM (#43425281)

    Train/Recruit American Infotech Novices -- Underutilized & Starving for work.

  • Greed, plain greed (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Squidlips (1206004) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @02:56PM (#43425351)
    The corporate weasels who are pushing this just want to be able to pay their workers less so they can get bigger bonuses at the end of the year. This is bad for the economy and bad for workers.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11, 2013 @03:49PM (#43425931)

    If job candidates are SOOOO hard to find, then the law should require corporations to pay a tax equivalent to 30% of the H1-B candite's salary - to be used to fund unemployment. This would have the effect of making the H1-B process work as intended - by making H1-B candidates less economical than local talent, they would be hired only when local talent can't be found. After all the stated objective of the law is to obtain locally un-obtainable talent - not to drive down wages.

  • Lower wages. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by CountBrass (590228) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @04:01PM (#43426055)

    The SOLE reason arseholes like Zuckerberk want to relax immigration controls is to keep wages low.

    • True. Americans don't hate wealth - they hate getting screwed. Zuckerberg has $9.3B. Good for him, but does he have to be so greedy as to screw Americans so he can hire help for a few bucks less?

      Nor does the "business exists solely to make a profit" justify it. Thanks to Facebook's dual-class stock structure, Zuckerberg has 57% of the voting rights even after the IPO. Nobody can question his decisions. The board can't threaten to get rid of him if they don't like this quarters earnings. So when he pushes

  • by future assassin (639396) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @04:03PM (#43426087) Homepage

    to India/Asia? You get all the workers you want locally.

  • by apcullen (2504324) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @04:16PM (#43426223)
    But companies should have to pay a $50,000 annual fee for each one they obtain.

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