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MySQL Founders Reunite To Form SkySQL 215

Posted by timothy
from the together-again-at-last dept.
mikejuk writes "The founders of the original MySQL, the open-source database, are getting back together in a merger between Monty Program and SkySQL. SkySQL was created by around two dozen former MySQL executives and investors after Oracle bought MySQL from Sun. Widenius started Monty Program AB and created the MariaDB database from some of MySQL's open source code. The merger will provide a stronger rival to MySQL, so reassuring users who are worried about Oracle's future plans for the database."
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MySQL Founders Reunite To Form SkySQL

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  • What a relief (Score:4, Interesting)

    by verifine (685231) on Thursday April 25, 2013 @12:14PM (#43546921)
    Anything that takes Oracle out of the way of MySQL gets my vote!
    • Re:What a relief (Score:5, Interesting)

      by cayenne8 (626475) on Thursday April 25, 2013 @01:00PM (#43547373) Homepage Journal
      Why don't they all throw themselves in with PostgreSQL, which is more of a real robust relational database, and continue that as the true open source alternative to Oracle?
      • Stay away (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 25, 2013 @01:36PM (#43547713)

        Because the people who came up with MySQL shouldn't be touching PostgreSQL code.

    • by mobby_6kl (668092)

      I'm just hoping they'll try to make a database this time...

  • by Tablizer (95088) on Thursday April 25, 2013 @12:14PM (#43546929) Homepage Journal

    ...Hasta la vista, Baby!

  • by MetalliQaZ (539913) on Thursday April 25, 2013 @12:15PM (#43546939)

    If I understand the release correctly, this will mean that MariaDB will continue with organizational support from SkySQL. Sounds like they are well on the road to being the top MySQL "distribution" which is good reassurance for making the switch.

    • by Jane Q. Public (1010737) on Thursday April 25, 2013 @12:25PM (#43547023)
      Yes. Especially since it's a "drop in" replacement for MySQL.

      I was already tempted. Now I'm pretty much convinced.
    • by icebike (68054)

      Maybe, maybe not.
      I hope you are right but this is Oracle they are dealing with.

      Now that Widenius has some "Executives and Investors" supporting him, he becomes a target for Oracle lawyers.
      Even without a valid claim, they could tie him up in court for years and years.

      Also remember that Executives and Investors want a ROI, and its hard to do that with an open source project like MariaDB.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Also remember that Executives and Investors want a ROI, and its hard to do that with an open source project like MariaDB.

        Erm, you're talking about the people who sold the open source MySQL to Sun for $1BN... They know there's money in open source databases....

        • by icebike (68054)

          Who were they planning on selling it to next, and why should that make me feel all warm and fuzzy about using My/Sky/MariaDB?

          • by Dareth (47614)

            I want to like it, but if they ever want any real fandom they need to pick a name and stick to it for more than 15 minutes.
            I loved My - S - Q - L and I want to love whatever the hell you call it too!

          • by gl4ss (559668)

            Who were they planning on selling it to next, and why should that make me feel all warm and fuzzy about using My/Sky/MariaDB?

            what does it matter? anyhow, they're probably getting revenue stream from selling support for it.
            IF they find someone stupid enough to dump millions on them for the _name_ then why not? good luck for finding a sucker like oracle again.

            that would enable them to do r&d and development on it for a while without worrying about ongoing support contracts.

        • Erm, you're talking about the people who sold the open source MySQL to Sun for $1BN... They know there's money in open source databases....

          The face that they sold it then turned around and started a direct competitor using its own source code could potentially land them in hot water.

          • That is the beauty of open source - you can do that.

            • The real shocker is that Monty tried to get the Sun-Oracle merger court to remove the GPL from MySQL, and allow companies to take the code private, so he could basically pick up where MySQL AB left off before he sold it to Sun in the first place.

            • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

              by BitZtream (692029)

              Heh, beauty.

              What you call beauty, the rest of the world refers to as a worthless side project, and hence why Oracle dropped work on it.

              You guys think this is a good thing, you're too stupid to realize this is just another example of why a business wants nothing to do with GPL'd software. They can dump a metric fuckton of money into it and then watch the prick who made it walk out the door and take it to someone else and do the same thing.

              You have to be stupid to invest in GPL software.

            • by robmv (855035)

              Because Sun never (that we now of) requested a legal binding of no competition for their purchase of MySQL AB. Sun wasn't bad, ethically, maybe one of the reasons they went under. Oracle on the other hand just got what they got from Sun

        • by BitZtream (692029)

          You're a moron if you think MySQL was the reason Oracle bought Sun.

          Oracle could give a fuck if MySQL exists, you're sadly uninformed if you think MySQL competes with Oracle in anyway. They are not just in different classes, they're at almost complete opposite ends of the spectrum.

          Oracle bought Sun for Java and high end servers. This is clear based on their strategy of you know ... using those things they bought and not discarding them like the crap that Sun had that they see no future in, such as Whatever

          • by gmuslera (3436)

            Probably wasn't "the" reason, but was one of the strong ones. Java and Solaris should be the other components, with Solaris maybe being the most strategical ones.

            And yes, MySQL competes against Oracle in what matter most to the company: support contracts. There is a bunch of databases with better features than MySQL, but it have by the market (or at least, as most aren't sales, the users, or the amount of installations).

      • "Now that Widenius has some "Executives and Investors" supporting him, he becomes a target for Oracle lawyers."

        I don't see why. Open Source projects (and MariaDB is pretty solidly Free & Open Source... I doubt they'd have even the slightest trouble proving that) have long enjoyed corporate support. I don't see that it changes anything.

  • But Monty doesn't have a daughter named Sky?!

  • The crying game (Score:5, Informative)

    by sdinfoserv (1793266) on Thursday April 25, 2013 @12:19PM (#43546987) Homepage
    Monty needs to stop crying about what Oracle is / will do with MySQL. He sold MySQl walkng away with almost A BILLION DOLLARS! If he cared that much, he wouldn't have sold.
    • Is there even a reason to use MySQL as a database anymore? I was under the impression that most people recommend postgresql these days.......
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Most shared hosts provide MySQL, so a lot of web software is coded with MySQL in mind first.

    • Re:The crying game (Score:5, Informative)

      by geek (5680) on Thursday April 25, 2013 @12:35PM (#43547119) Homepage

      For a billion dollars even a true believer would sell. You could take a fraction of that billion and make another DB and still have enough money to jerk off with thousand dollar bills for the rest of your life.

    • by nefus (952656)
      It's called politics and marketing. He's trying to build support for a future product with his left hand while his write hand is playing with the money.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      MySQL was sold to *Sun*, who were good stewards of the code and community. Then Sun was taken over by Oracle.

  • by nimbius (983462) on Thursday April 25, 2013 @12:24PM (#43547013) Homepage
    "general absence of programmers, engineers fails to deter C-levels from merging two companies in an effort to become a more robust alternative to databases that still arent hadoop, couch or hypertable"
  • What a relief (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 25, 2013 @12:36PM (#43547133)

    Let's all back these guys so that they can sell us out a second time later down the road, when the community makes them successful again.

    • Re:What a relief (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Gothmolly (148874) on Thursday April 25, 2013 @02:35PM (#43548395)

      Meanwhile, their work allows you to become successful, FOR FREE... so you know, they're definitely screwing you.

      • You're both right based on different perspectives. The original poster was sympathizing with all of the members of the MySQL community who contributed to the product but received none of the money from the sale. While they were not legally entitled to any of that money, most people considered it very bad form. However, you are correct that the users of MySQL still benefit regardless of who owns the company, but that doesn't do anything to make the actions of the sellers more acceptable.
  • I was just coming around to the idea I might explore MariaDB next time I needed to do something, where normally I've been turning to MySQL. Is SkySQL replacing that, now?

    Also, do any of the large, inexpensive web hosts (hostgator, dreamhost, servint, etc.) provide either of these alternatives yet? Because frankly I'm not going to do a lot of personal configuration or pay a lot extra just for the novelty.

    • Re:Explain, please? (Score:4, Informative)

      by geek (5680) on Thursday April 25, 2013 @02:14PM (#43548147) Homepage

      SkySQL is a commercial entity that uses MySQL and now MariahDB - http://www.skysql.com/ [skysql.com]

      They are replacing MySQL with MariahDB for their hosted solutions and throwing financial backing at the project. MariahDB is not going away. I would encourage you to look into PostgreSQL however as an alternative: http://www.postgresql.org/ [postgresql.org]

      • by Quirkz (1206400)

        I've heard good things about Posgres from people who should know what they're talking about, but I haven't had anything important or demanding enough to go out of my way to explore it yet. Next time I've got something with any actual business use, I'll probably take a closer look at it. Database stuff isn't part of the day job, so it doesn't come up a lot.

  • by c0d3g33k (102699) on Thursday April 25, 2013 @12:58PM (#43547347)

    1. Create a popular but flawed FLOSS product (MySQL).
    2. Build a business atop flawed FLOSS product (MySQL AB).
    3. Ca$h out by selling your baby to formerly glorious tech company on the ropes (FGTCOTR, aka SUN).
    4. Profit!
    5. Leave FGTCOTR after a tasteful waiting period to start your own company DOING THE SAME THING YOU JUST SOLD because you can fork the OSS codebase you just sold.
    6. Take public potshots at EVIL Corp (who very predictably acquired FGTCOTR) for mismanaging the baby you sold (because EVIL), while flogging your fork of the product you sold as a viable alternative (FLOSS, to cloak yourself in the veneer of legitimacy because you can live off of steps 3 and 4).
    7. Reunite to form company that does the same thing the company you sold for big $$$ did, to compete with the product you willingly relinquished control over.
    8. GOTO #1?

    I can't decide whether to admire Monty for successfully gaming the system, or condemn him as an amoral manipulator who wasted no time screwing over the very people he sold out to at the earliest possible opportunity.

    Grudgingly, I lean toward admiration. Nicely done, sir.

    That said, I avoid MySQL as the half-baked relational DB pretender that it is and use PostgreSQL whenever possible. Better technology without the drama. I have never regretted PgSQL once, MySQL many times.

    • by BitZtream (692029)

      He's a douche on many levels, but he deserves no credit for this.

      Sun was retarded to buy MySQL in the first place. It was just a fucking stupid thing to do, especially for a billion fucking dollars. They could have had it for free ... instead they gave this douche a billion and HE gets it for free.

      Oracle then proceeded to buy Sun for Java and server hardware. MySQL was never something they cared about. They'll probably be happy if he'd just take it and shut the fuck up. MySQL doesnt' compete in any way

      • by c0d3g33k (102699)

        I'll agree with you except for the part where they'd be happy if he just took it and STFU. I think Oracle knew exactly what they were doing when they bought Sun, and they cared quite a lot about MySQL. I think Oracle was happy to try and exploit MySQL's popularity as a "gateway drug" - they would be poised and waiting with salespeople to offer a "real database" when folks who built a business on LAMP outgrew it and were looking for something better. To support this opinion, I'll remind you that Oracle bo

    • by robmv (855035)

      Number 8 will not be possible, because they only have the GPL code, they can't dual license it, unless they replace all code or write a new one from scratch

  • Ok honestly, what has Oracle done with MySQL that has been so bad? They've been pretty good stewards. MySQL 5.6 came out and even included full text search for InnoDB. I'm pleased with the product and it's progress.

    This smells like the Jenkins/Hudson gayness... All these projects are forking because of big bad Oracle, before Oracle has even done anything. Good god, the open source community is LUCKY to have a corporation that is willing to sink dollars into an open source project. If that means giving up
    • bad ... good ... pleased ... smells like ... gayness... because ... bad ... Good ... LUCKY ... willing ... means ... little ... cool ... try ... bullshit ... can ... whining ... cry ... community ... really ... need ... brilliant ... circle jerk ... offer ... rainbows ... unicorns ... best ... community?

      Well, that's like, your opinion, man.

    • by shugah (881805) on Thursday April 25, 2013 @01:30PM (#43547667)
      I think the FOSS community would probably have been fine if MySQL had remained with an independent (and profitable) Sun. But Oracle is not Sun. For me, personally, the Oracle v. Google lawsuit pretty much gave notice that Oracle would go scorched earth on anyone who used "their" open source properties in ways they didn't approve of.
      • by BitZtream (692029)

        You have no idea what the term scorched earth means. It in no way applies to what they've done. Stop using words you don't understand just because you heard someone else say it and it sound scary evil to you.

    • by gmuslera (3436)
      Maybe this [mariadb.org] could give you a hint. Looks like a small factor, but is critical for validating whatever you want to do with the code. If is the start of a trend, better to be in a safe zone, i.e. elsewhere.
  • Soap Opera. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by csumpi (2258986)
    This soap opera is getting way too confusing. Way too much money, way too many project names. In the end, whatever they come up with to circumvent Oracle, they will just sell to the next highest bidder for another billion, then rinse and repeat.

    It seems the only way for us to circumvent all this BS is not to use anything affiliated with Oracle, MySQL, or its creators.
    • I wouldn't go that far, but at the very least look into PostgreSQL and see what it can do -- I mean, doesn't look like it's going to be upended anytime soon.

      Also, this whole mess is what happens when folks settle for non-free binary blobs in their otherwise free & open source software.

    • by geek (5680)

      This soap opera is getting way too confusing.

      What else would you expect from a bunch of DBA's?

    • Why does it sound like a Russian word for "diarrhea" when the 3 merge? It would just invite too many "In Soviet Russia" jokes.

      BUT, we need a whackjob name to compete with "Postgresql". In the FOSS world, sounding squishy, green, and crippled is "street cred" (gimp, grep, gnu, lisp, etc.)

  • We're on a mission from God.

  • Thats what they did isn't it? They sold out, then took their toys and left, and are going to do it again.

    Congratulations, you have illustrated to every business in the world who's paying attention why it would be absolutely fucking stupid to invest any money in a GPL project. Your greed has effectively manipulated the concept of FOSS into something more evil than even what Oracle does.

    Oracle is up front about stabbing you in the back. They'll tell you they are going to do it. This prick is just a two fa

    • by gl4ss (559668)

      they didn't show that it would be stupid to invest money in a gpl product.

      they just showed that it's a stupid idea to buy a gpl product. investing into it before that was very, very smart from financial point, because someone was stupid enough to buy it for an ungodly amount of money, and for support contract etc. reasons it was probably smart to invest in it even if there hadn't been a sellout - and I don't think he ever made a statement saying otherwise, that he wouldn't ever compete with it after selling

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