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Putting the Wolfram Language (and Mathematica) On Every Raspberry Pi 99

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from the so-good-it's-named-after-two-animals dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Working with the Raspberry Pi Foundation, effective immediately, there's a pilot release of the Wolfram Language — as well as Mathematica—that will soon be bundled as part of the standard system software for every Raspberry Pi computer. Quite soon the Wolfram Language is going to start showing up in lots of places, notably on the web and in the cloud."
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Putting the Wolfram Language (and Mathematica) On Every Raspberry Pi

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  • Blatant Shill (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 21, 2013 @07:22PM (#45486071)

    Quite soon the Wolfram Language is going to start showing up in lots of places, notably on the web and in the cloud

    lol no. It's far more likely that this language will be ignored by practically everyone. Remember Arc?

    • by mmell (832646)
      No. What's Arc?

      (too lazy to google it)

      • No. What's Arc?

        It is a Lisp dialect [paulgraham.com] that nobody uses.

        • by Yold (473518)

          Woah, can't believe anyone else knows about Arc. I was one of the unfortunate few that had to use it for a regression class in college. The language is used in the textbook Applied Regression including Computing Graphics. Since the professor also wrote the textbook and Arc has strong ties to my alma mater, I figured they just had blinders on since the rest of the statistics world was already using R.

          If you are interested in trying this (awful) software out for yourself, it is available for download here

  • by Bootsy (33005)

    Why? I'm sure it's great, but...

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Wolfram = English guy associated with english computing
      Raspberry Pi = english project designed to teach children computing
      Wolfram + Rasberry Pi = vehicle for english technology sector growth

  • I'll believe it when I see it here.

    http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html [tiobe.com]

  • Web AND Cloud? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 21, 2013 @07:27PM (#45486133)

    Isn't the web a "cloud" in of itself?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Isn't the web a "cloud" in of itself?

      No, it is not.

    • Isn't the web a "cloud" in of itself?

      More like a layer of smog...

    • by PhilHibbs (4537)

      The web is a kind of cloud, a limited subset of what cloud computing can do, but useful to mention specifically since so many peope are familiar with it.

  • Why not just release Mathematica for the home users too? There are hundreds of millions of potential users out there who would love to have Mathematica for non-commercial use on their home computers. It would benefit Wolfram tremendously to have such a huge user base that knows his software, instead of just a fraction of anoraks that happen to work in universities or as engineers.

    If it's the full Mathematica on Pi, though, I'd probably have to buy one just for that. The home version is several hundred bu

  • That's a bold claim. (Score:5, Informative)

    by dmomo (256005) on Thursday November 21, 2013 @07:33PM (#45486167) Homepage

    Raspberry Pi comes with no operating system. There are a number of Linux builds, including the recommended Debian build, which could be made to include the free Raspberry Pi version of the Wolfram Language and Mathmatica. To claim "every Raspberry Pi" is a bit hyperbolic.

    • by Fwipp (1473271) on Thursday November 21, 2013 @07:36PM (#45486201)

      Looks like you're right. A few links deep found this: "Today, at the CBM education summit in New York, we announced a partnership with Wolfram Research to bundle a free copy of Mathematica and the Wolfram Language into future Raspbian images."

      • That will allow desktop users to have a ghetto Mathematica by running Raspbian in a VM.

        • by CastrTroy (595695)
          You'd be much better off just buying a Raspberry Pi and connecting to it remotely from your desktop. Emulating an ARM processor on your desktop (most likely x86) would be many times slower than just running it on the Pi directly.
          • How much does ARM emulation on x86 suck these days? I wasn't able to dig up much in the way of hard benchmarks; but this [aurel32.net] not-especially-recent page, describing QEMU ARM emulation (I'd assume that being adopted as the Android SDK's ARM emulator likely led to some improvements being made; since 2008; but don't know), says that an Athlon 64 X2 3800+ is about 20 percent faster than an NSLU2 (266MHz Xscale).

            Given that the Athlon 64 X2 3800+ is a relative antique, and the Pi is only a 700MHz ARM core of not pa
      • by gweihir (88907)

        Unfortunately, Raspbian does _not_ come bundled with the Raspberry Pi, for the simple reason that the RPi comes without memory card. You are also completely free to use something else than Raspbian.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      From personal communication with him I can say Stephen Wolfram is all about making money. There is no need for a commercial language, no one cares. If a student license costs 500 dollars or more, people rather use R (a really shitty language, but on par with mathematica) or fight their way with python.

      • by ZankerH (1401751)
        In my experience with university mathematics and engineering departments, students, TAs and anyone who can get away with it use pirated copies. For analytical maths, there's just nothing better than Mathematica.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      But if you go to the Raspberry Pi site there certainly are sets of "standard system software." So it's very possible it's not "hyperbolic" at all, maybe your interpretation of the statement is just extreme.*
       
      * I know, I know... Slashdotters are never extreme in their interpretation of anything... sorry, my bad.

      • by jklovanc (1603149)

        maybe your interpretation of the statement is just extreme.

        There is only one possible accurate interpretation of "every". That is the problem with using absolutes like "every". If they had said "many" or "most" then interpretation could be an issue.

        • Every Raspi can run Raspbian at no extra cost. Splitting hairs much ?

          • by jklovanc (1603149)

            Every Raspi can also run a build that does not have Wolfram or Mathematica. There is a difference between "can" and "is".

            • by Baloroth (2370816)

              Every Raspi can also run a build that does not have Wolfram or Mathematica. There is a difference between "can" and "is".

              Yes, and neither TFA nor TFS claim "is". Beyond "is a part of the standard bundle", which will be true soon.

              • by jklovanc (1603149)

                It it necessary to install a standard bundle on every new Raspberry Pi? No. Therefore it is possible to get e new Raspberry Pi and never have the mentioned packages on it. Therefore the "every" is inaccurate.

      • by dmomo (256005)

        There's only one way to interpret "every" as far as I know. Sorry for wanting more accuracy in the articles I read.

    • TFA States it will be bundled as part of the standard operating system for the Raspberry Pi. It doesn't state it will be on every Pi.
      basic reading comprehension.

      • There is no such fucking thing as a "standard operating system for the Raspberry Pi". That is fucking nonsense, as is all of TFA.
        • by mspohr (589790)

          Oh dear.
          You do seem to have "issues".
          Have you talked to your therapist?
          Why do you fear Wolfram?
          Has Mathematica intimidated you?
          Are you afraid that Wolfram will take over your life?
          Wolfram Mathematica and the Wolfram language will be included in the Raspbian distribution. Raspbian is the standard recommended distribution that most people install. There are other OS distributions, of course, such as XBMC for specialized uses.

  • Sample code (Score:5, Funny)

    by Tablizer (95088) on Thursday November 21, 2013 @07:40PM (#45486243) Homepage Journal

    ego() ^ ego() ^ ego()

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Beginner's mistake --- you need square brackets for function calls. And Wolfram's ego is far too large to fit on a single line of sample code.

    • STEVE JOBS: A FEW MEMORIES [wolframalpha.com] As Mathematica was being developed, we showed it to Steve Jobs quite often. He always claimed he didn"t understand the math of it (though I later learned from a good friend of mine who had known Steve in high school that Steve had definitely taken at least one calculus course). But he made all sorts of make it simpler" suggestions about the interface and the documentation.

  • by strredwolf (532) on Thursday November 21, 2013 @08:16PM (#45486467) Homepage Journal

    An offer of over $300 in value! Get yours now!

    * Based on purchase of a Model B from direct authorized sellers. Does not include shipping or purchase at authorized resellers. Must be run from a Raspbery Pi computer board. Storage, display, keyboard, mouse, and power supply not included. Model A does not include Ethernet.

  • by Qubit (100461) on Thursday November 21, 2013 @08:18PM (#45486487) Homepage Journal

    Just in case you thought things might have changed:

    As with Wolfram|Alpha on the web, the Wolfram Language (and Mathematica) on the Raspberry Pi are going to be free for anyone to use for personal purposes. (There’s also going to be a licensing mechanism for commercial uses, other Linux ARM systems, and so on.)

    I give the RaspberryPi folks credit for making amazing and fun toy for children (that turns out to actually be a quite powerful and useful system for all ages, but shhhh, don't tell the kids! :-). I dearly wish that more of the RaspberryPI system could be Open Hardware [wikipedia.org], and love the fact that schoolchildren are getting their hands on their own computer that runs FOSS that they can program and tinker with and invent and dream.

    But I dearly hope that the Foundation folks say "Thanks but no thanks" to this offer of crippleware. The platform should remain open to all, and putting something like this in a default install will perpetuate a system of haves and have-nots. If Wolfram wants to market this independently, then that is their perogative, but educational tools given to kids should be reuse- and remix-friendly.

    • by Dan East (318230)

      There is no "default install". Raspberry Pis don't even come with SD cards. You download whatever OS image you want and extract it to your SD card, and there are many to choose from, both "official" and 3rd party.

  • as i read this, said "language" is already available immediately, as i assume it's as open source as the raspy itself.
    can someone point me to the source, please - i'd like to know what this is about, and the official site is acting very coy.
    judging from all the ad hominem reactions, it certainly seems to have set some kind of cat amongst the pigeons, around here..

    -- be aLert, your country needs Lerts.

  • Unless you mean the boot-loader firmware running in the graphics hardware. After that you have a kernel of you choice and a RPi Linux distro (or something else that runs on it) of your choice.

  • by spike hay (534165) <blu_ice@@@violate...me...uk> on Friday November 22, 2013 @12:18PM (#45491819) Homepage

    I'm pretty sure his ego can't fit in 512 mb.

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