Oracle Seeking Community Feedback on Java 8 EE Plans

An anonymous reader writes with this quick bite from Info Q: "Oracle is seeking feedback from the Java community about what it should work on for the next version of Java EE, the popular and widely used enterprise framework. As well as standardizing APIs for PaaS and SaaS the vendor is looking at removing some legacy baggage including EJB 2.x remote and local client view (EJBObject, EJBLocalObject, EJBHome, and EJBLocalHome interfaces) and CORBA."

Re:Oracle is why I don't use java

[Anonymous Coward]

Microsoft doesn't own C++, nor do they release the primary runtime for C++.

False equivalency.

Re:Real mature

[Vitriol+Angst]

Not pretending to be a JAVA expert, but maybe the lack of good advice, seriousness, and positive comments IS YOUR ANSWER. Unless a lot of Java devs show up on Slashdot with positive comments -- maybe that should be an indicator; "I'm better off with JavaScript and OpenCL".

The other "lesson" we could learn is maybe SlashDot is becoming Digg.

Please only follow this comment with insightful and serious debate.

Re:Real mature

[sid.the.technician]

Could you enlighten me please, what is your language of choice for your next big project? Php, perl maybe? And I am talking about writing business logic, database access and soap communication. I hate Oracle with passion (because of their database product and pricing), but java (on servers, not some shitty applets) is in reality the only option when you want to write anything "business oriented".

Re:Real mature

[Wdomburg]

1) How many of the people who reflexivly project hate at Java have solid, defensible reasons for doing so? Do you think people form opinions based on evidence and thoughtful consideration?

2) Examples, please.

3) Well C is not a long-lived programming language, then. COBOL, FORTRAN and LISP have been going strong since the 1950's!

3.1) Plenty. Most of the applications on my phone runs Java (Android). My cable box (OCAP). My Blu-ray player (BD-J). Several of the applications I administer or use professionally (IntelliJ, Confluence, Jira, Zimbra, JMeter).

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean you don't use it. And even if you don't use doesn't mean other people don't use it. Java is an incredible pervasive language in the embedded and server space.

3.2) And?

3.3) With a twelve year history, multiple implementations and no hint of a successor, this strikes me as needless fear-mongering. Microsoft is proprietary, not fickle. Most of their standards have excellent longevity and they have far longer support cycles for their products than most of the Unix world.

As for performance, you're full of it. :)