KDE Releases Frameworks 5 87
KDE Community (3396057) writes The KDE Community is proud to announce the release of KDE Frameworks 5.0. Frameworks 5 is the next generation of KDE libraries, modularized and optimized for easy integration in Qt applications. The Frameworks offer a wide variety of commonly needed functionality in mature, peer reviewed and well tested libraries with friendly licensing terms. There are over 50 different Frameworks as part of this release providing solutions including hardware integration, file format support, additional widgets, plotting functions, spell checking and more. Many of the Frameworks are cross platform and have minimal or no extra dependencies making them easy to build and add to any Qt application.
Version five of the desktop shell, Plasma, will be released soon, and packages of Plasma-next and KDE Frameworks 5 will trickle into Ubuntu Utopic over the next few days. There's a Live CD of Frameworks 5 / Plasma-next, last updated July 4th.
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Sure, using mature, well-tested, well-supported, widely-deployed libraries from a reputable source is always going to be less secure than writing your own code...
Ask them about safety and security (Score:1)
I hear complaints about size + complexity and hence about insecurity, but no more specific rationale given for them yet. Maybe the designers have taken this into account and the design incorporates new features for safety and security?
The least we should do is ask. Of course, if there are no such design features and safety + security are based entirely on "We don't make mistakes" wishful thinking, then you'd be right. But they should at leas
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"I hear complaints about size + complexity and hence about insecurity, but no more specific rationale given for them yet. "
That's because the complaints are unfounded.
The libraries are the same size or smaller than their 4.x counterparts. Very little new functionality was added, as the focus was on modularity and Qt5 support. The 4.x development cycles were about adding necessary *missing* frameworks, while 5.x is about refinement. So size is a bogus measurement, particular as many pieces were upstreamed in
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Exactly, I recently needed some files from an old hard drive and found myself in a KDE 3.5 installation. It was absolutely brilliant: fast, stable, no 'usability improvements' that removed features. Apps like Basket that never had a stable release in KDE4. I honestly don't know what it is that we have gained with KDE 4. Rotating widgets? Anyway, I still love KDE 4, and KDE is still (IMHO) the best desktop out there, but was it worth the transition to 4?
Re:KDE becoming more rococo every day (Score:4, Interesting)
The word plasma was never mentioned in my comment.
Sorry, I had most of this stuff in KDE 3.5? Yes, it was under different apps, some of them not part of KDE, but worked fine for me. And if all of this is so much better, why does it work so much worse?
Ah yes, the user is wrong. Well, do as you see fit anyway, this discussion would have been useful a couple of years ago. Your side with the 'user is always wrong, lets change it anyway' has won, and now KDE (and also Gnome, with the exact same reasoning) has become irrelevant for all but a handful of users (actually, I am one of these users that still uses KDE 4 daily, mostly because kioslaves is great). Hope you enjoy your victory!
However, one thing I want to make clear, I have been using KDE4 for years exclusively (right up to this day), I have liked it a lot despite all the shortcomings. I went to the conferences, I contributed to KDE Look (remember that? That actually had good content back when there were still users), etc. And only now that I've been back to KDE 3.5 for a bit, I realized just how shitty KDE has become compared to what it was.
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Ah yes, the user is wrong. Well, do as you see fit anyway, this discussion would have been useful a couple of years ago. Your side with the 'user is always wrong, lets change it anyway' has won, and now KDE (and also Gnome, with the exact same reasoning) has become irrelevant for all but a handful of users (actually, I am one of these users that still uses KDE 4 daily, mostly because kioslaves is great). Hope you enjoy your victory!
If that's the case, then why is everone - Apple and Microsoft included - copying what KDE did in KDE4? KDE is still extremely relevant and really on the forefront of the tech.
On top of that, they're still the only ones that have targetted multiple kinds of devices with a unified programming experience and able to deliver customized UIs for each device type (e.g. netbook vs desktop vs tablet...)
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Basket is an interesting case. I'm not sure it was ever an official KDE app or even developed within the KDE community. The old website is still hosted on KDE, but the code now seems to be over at Github and untouched for a few years. They do seem to have a working Qt4 port though, they even had beta releases, but I guess the devs ran out of motivation. That's one big reason to develop apps *within* the KDE community, anyone with a KDE developer account could then offer to take over maintaining the proje
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Every new addition to KDE gives me one more reason not to use it.
It's interesting if you look at the amount of people using KDE, they probably aren't complaining, only a small group of people, who are never happy are complaining. On Gnome there aren't that many who complain, because most people don't use it. Only this gives a false impression as if gnome would be better. But I think it would be better, if gnome had never been designed, Diversity of course is nice on the linux platform. But it is one of the reasons linux has such a low usage on the desktop...
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As a user of FreeBSD, I can safely say that by the time they incorporate this person into their "ports system', Frameworks 7 will have been introduced.
It looks awesome! Totally awesome! (Score:5, Insightful)
Congratulations to all the contributors, and thank you for all your hard work on this project!
C++ wins the day again. (Score:1, Funny)
KDE and Qt are synonymous with C++. They prove that C++ is the best language around, because the best apps and GUI frameworks around are built using C++. KDE 5 is fast, it's stable, and it just plain great software to use, all thanks to C++.
Then there's Gnome. They're still pissing around with C, JavaScript, and their homegrown Vala poopfest. And Gnome is a total disaster these days! That's what happens when you use inferior languages instead of a professional language like C++. C++ means your code is good,
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KDE and Qt are synonymous with C++. They prove that C++ is the best language around
LOL, the only reason C++ is tolerable is Qt and only if you avoid screwing with resources yourself and let QObjects handle the mess, it's still full of leftover ugly from the 70s that neither Java, C# nor Swift choose to handle the same way. The problem is that creating a good language, a good compiler and a comprehensive system library (practically a must today IMO) is a huge job and without a big company like Sun/Oracle (Java), Microsoft (C#) or Apple (Swift) backing it you'll never get off the ground.
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KDE and Qt are synonymous with C++. They prove that C++ is the best language around, because the best apps and GUI frameworks around are built using C++. KDE 5 is fast, it's stable, and it just plain great software to use, all thanks to C++.
Then there's Gnome. They're still pissing around with C, JavaScript, and their homegrown Vala poopfest. And Gnome is a total disaster these days! That's what happens when you use inferior languages instead of a professional language like C++. C++ means your code is good, which means that your libraries and apps are good. Other languages mean that your code is bad, which means that your libraries and apps are bad.
There's one lesson here and that is to use C++ if you want to have the greatest software known to humankind. C++ is where it's at, baby!
Just be aware that a Plasma takes advantage of a lot of QML usage - e.g JavaScript. But yes, C++ plus Qt is a phenominal experience.
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KDE people listens to complaints? Nepomuk anyone? Baloo? Semantic crap?
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OpenSUSE Packages available for a long time (Score:1)
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_repositories#KDE_Frameworks_5_.26_Plasma_5 has the links to install KDE 5
And GNOME 3 is still a HEAP OF SHIT. (Score:1)
KDE 4 is fucking sweet. It was the nicest desktop env I've ever used. But then I tried KDE 5 this morning, and it isn't just fucking sweet, but it's fucking A, too. It makes KDE 4 look like shitty shit shit. KDE 5 is fast, it looks fab, and the apps are amazing. I haven't tried GNOME 3 in a long time, so I installed that today, too. Jesus H. Christ, it's still fucking horrible! It's slow, it looks like shit, and some of the apps would crash on me each time I tried to use them. I haven't had a KDE 4 app cras
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GNOME 3 sure as fuck isn't getting any better
I'm not sure which version of GNOME you used, but beginning with GNOME 3.14, the experience has become very refined and much quicker partially based on its switch from X11 to Wayland
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It'd be a lot slower if you could actually do anything...
You don't know the Linux desktop market. (Score:3, Insightful)
You clearly don't know how the Linux desktop market is organized.
KDE 4 is the big player. It has 57% of the Linux desktop market.
Unity is next. It has 14%.
Xfce has 9%.
Cinnamon has 5%.
MATE has 5%.
GNOME 2 has 4%.
LXDE has 2%.
The remaining 4% is spread among GNOME 3, CDE, WindowMaker, enlightenment and other minor players all with under 1% share.
So as you can see, KDE basically is the Linux desktop market. Most Linux users today are using it.
Citations:
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_Window_Sys
Re:You don't know the Linux desktop market. (Score:5, Informative)
Your citation is crap.
From the Wikipedia entry:
"This article is written like a personal reflection or opinion essay that states the Wikipedia editor's particular feelings about a topic, rather than the opinions of experts."
The Wikipedia editor is a KDE fanboi. That's fine - I'm liking KDE myself, but I have a really hard time believing that Gnome 3 is splitting 4% "market shaqre" with WindowMaker and Enlightenment. We need some real statistics.
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Are you sure that you're looking at the right Wikipedia page? I was curious about the GP's claims, too, so I checked out the reference. I don't see the content warning that you're talking about, but I do see a table with those stats, and a pie graph of the data, too. There are multiple references for those stats too and they all look legit to me. All but one of my friends uses KDE 4, so I think those numbers are reasonable. The guy who doesn't uses Lxde. None of my friends and nobody at my Linux meetup grou
Re:You don't know the Linux desktop market. (Score:4, Informative)
I don't see a table with those stats. I don't see a pie graph at all. Unity and Cinnamon aren't even mentioned on the page.
This is the link I'm visting, copy/pasted from the GP post
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Are you sure that you're looking at the right Wikipedia page? I was curious about the GP's claims, too, so I checked out the reference. I don't see the content warning that you're talking about, [snip]
It has the "content warning" right at the top of the article:
It's the boilerplate from "{{Essay-like|date=December 2007}}" according to the Edit page.
For the record, I do use and prefer KDE, but every copy of CentOS 5 or 6, since it's the default. I do have
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Not quite sure what you're trying to say there, but I've used 5 & 6 and both have Gnome as the default.
Thankfully, still version 2.xx
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Not quite sure what you're trying to say there, but I've used 5 & 6 and both have Gnome as the default.
Thankfully, still version 2.xx
That's exactly what I was trying to say, but somehow the word "Gnome" didn't make it from brain to keyboard.
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Your post is written the same way. I could have cared and looked up several different sources of numbers. But I don't.
I actually believe those numbers now, because you sound butthurt and failed to offer alternatives. So congratulations, you achieved the opposite of your goal.
statistics (Score:2)
Re:You don't know the Linux desktop market. (Score:5, Informative)
The wikipedia article you cite doesn't include those numbers. It doesn't even MENTION Unity or Cinnamon, nevermind give marketshare percentages.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply cited the wrong link... but I can't verify you numbers, and frankly find them suspect.
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83% of your post is bullshit.
17% is whitespace.
Citations
[1] My ass
Re:Does it make a sound? (Score:5, Interesting)
If the share is 0.2% does it matter? There are more reading this than using that.
What's the market share of a Bugatti Veryon" Or a Lamborghini? You "market share" drones need to move to Idaho, so you can get a license plate that brags about "Famous Potatoes" to put on your Toyota Corolla.
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Where does one acquire these things that are given away, made by few, and in basements or 2nd story lofts? I heard Italy is in Hard Times, but even Charlie Chaplin had to pay people. UA for a!!
Some times you just have to sacrifice in order to bask in the glow of using the popular thing.
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LOL, I hate to be pedantic but I LOVE cars. Lamborghini is not a car, they are a manufacturer. They have several models, some are over a million, some can be had for slightly under 200k if you look carefully.
Bugatti makes a Veyron, not a Veryon. Current models are going for over 1.5m IIRC. Easy typo to make but it is what put me into pedantic mode. The market share thing with a model and then just a manufacturer is what threw it over the edge. Nothing personal. We all do silly things like that. I probably m
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Suitably smitten, I accept my comeuppance!
No no no! It was not a comeuppance and you should not feel smitten. It was just a friendly helpful reminder. BTW, your point in your original post was perfectly valid and I agree with it. :)
What's been removed,dumbed down,made incompatible? (Score:1)
That's the question I ask every time I see a new release of software these days. We seem to be going backwards fast.
Capture: screwed
How appropriate.
Re:What's been removed,dumbed down,made incompatib (Score:5, Informative)
KDE is probably the least dumbed down desktop environment there is.
It's really massively customizable in ways suitable for power users.
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Hmmm...
1) No (working) color management
2) Taskbar overinflates icons when its vertical (no more ability to control it since 4.x) and doesn't care what the panel's max icon size is set to.
3) Taskbar switches between grouping and non-grouping, from minute to minute
4) Very loose UI design leaves me less able to anticiapate how KDE will react to my input, and I can't tell it, for instance, to underline single-click widgets.
5) Activities - A huge waste that detracted from bug fixes and design consistency, and ev
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1) Color management refers to controlling the color accuracy of the display. Typically this will involve importing an ICC file, or performing a manual calibration sequence. KDE has a not-half-finished module (not included in the core package) for System Settings panel, whereas gnome and unity are fully functional and included by default.
2) You're probably not setting the DPI to match your display and using the default that results in text becoming tiny on higher-res displays.
3) It occurs when the setting is
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What's been removed,dumbed down,made incompatible?
You know this is a release of the Frameworks, right?
Nothing has been dumbed down, kde3support is gone but other than that KF5 is mostly source-compatible with kdelibs4.
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Capture. You mean Captcha? The thing that's as relevant as tea leaves and astrology?
That there is no more meaning than the one you imbue?
That random, unrelated, almost always irrelevant word jumble to which some posters ascribe meaning out of feelings very similar to religion and winning the lottery?
Is that what you meant?
KDE has come a long way (Score:2)
Re: KDE has come a long way (Score:1)
You've made an interesting observation. You see there's nothing wrong with the windows desktop. It was actually a good model so was the mac desktop. What did KDE allow you to do? Both. KDE can give you the same usability configuration as any desktop, whether it would be a windows, Mac or gnome desktop.
I argue the threat to Microsoft has in never been specifically the Linux kernel. Its been the desktop. Its been KDE and to a lesser extent gnome.
KDE is the desktop FRAMEWORK of the future and its here today.
Th
Shame... (Score:2)
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This isn't the new desktop shell (Plasma2? PlasmaNext?), its basically the libs behind it, so there are no screen shots per se.
I must admit I find the new branding/naming conventions very confusing.
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This isn't the new desktop shell (Plasma2? PlasmaNext?), its basically the libs behind it, so there are no screen shots per se.
I must admit I find the new branding/naming conventions very confusing.
Plasma Next is the internal codename for whatever is the next version of Plasma being worked on, you won't see it used in general publicity. After some discussion we decided to use 5 as the technical version number, but we will not emphasise it in the publicity.
As someone already posted, this http://i.imgur.com/usfgJSF.png [imgur.com] sort-of explains it. It's simple really:
* KDE = Entity that produces Free Software, like Mozilla or Microsoft or Google or Adobe
* Frameworks / Plasma / Applications = Software 'products'
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Nice summary, thanks.
Uh, whoa. (Score:3)
I've tried a lot of desktops over the years and always returned to KDE as the most able to be useful when I need it to and stay the fuck out of the way the rest of the time. (Unity, despite its reputation, is good at that too.) But the love was no longer really there. Like a favorite old workhorse that you just no longer really ride for the pleasure of it alone.
So I've not kept track of KDE 5 developments, and honestly I expected to be way underwhelmed. It was, after all, supposed to be mainly a port of the same old thing to the new Qt 5.
But I just tried the live CD linked in the article and, uh, whoa. It looks so *tidy*. Full of that orderly neatness that Gnome, for all its faults, has generally been better at than KDE. And I find myself excited for the first time in a long while, and that's a very nice feeling to rediscover.
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But does it suck? (Score:1)
I'm completely serious.
I HATE KDE4. I still use Trinity wherever I can because that was the KDE that I liked.
I don't care about what whiz bang technology went intro this. I don't care how many man years were invested. I don't care who else likes it. I will reserve judgement until I use it myself. If it's not as good as KDE3.5, I'll stick with Trinity.
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