"We got the call for trouble in the room. The gentleman, I was told, was preaching sedition. I knew that we had to take some steps quickly preventing that. Defcon is definitely for free speech, definitely for legal civil disobedience. But not anarchy, not psychopathic destruction of property. " [Emphasis mine]
Civil disobedience is, by definition, illegal. That's the whole point of it.
Are you a government-trained lawmaking expert, Mr. Rufus? No? Well then, I'm afraid you are not qualified to decide what the "whole point" of any law is.
Are you a government-trained lawmaking expert, Mr. Rufus? No? Well then, I'm afraid you are not qualified to decide what the "whole point" of any law is.
I know I shouldn't feed the AC trolls, but I can't resist:
I did not make any comment on the "whole point" of any particular law. I commented on the whole point of civil disobedience. Civil disobedience is not a law. It is the willful and public breaking (hence illegal) of an unjust law, in the hopes of receiving the corresponding punishment, as a means
It is the willful and public breaking (hence illegal) of an unjust law, in the hopes of receiving the corresponding punishment, as a means of protesting that law.
In a country that has no problem jailing more of its citizens than any other nation, it seems like going to prison in protest doesn't really inconvenience anyone in power.
[RoutineAmericaBashing] In a country that has no problem jailing more of its citizens than any other nation, it seems like going to prison in protest doesn't really inconvenience anyone in power.[/RoutineAmericaBashing]
Last time I checked, people didn't go to prison real often for peaceful protest.
"Civil disobedience is, by definition, illegal. That's the whole point of it"
To keep with the Orwellian overtone of the speaker, I believe that is "doublethink"
Priest is a Fed and everyone knows it. I have always assumed his role at DefCon is to keep things from going "over the line," and to keep the kiddies happy and thinking they're at some rebellious event. In reality of course it's all just a show put on by the Man to keep control over wannabee hacker/cracker community.
Civil disobedience is, by definition, illegal. That's the whole point of it.
Not always to start with. A group of people staging a sit-down isn't initially illegal (your police state may vary). Of course when ordered to move along or asked for papers please, and they don't, then it peacefully drifts over the line.
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Civil disobedience is, by definition, illegal. That's the whole point of it.
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I know I shouldn't feed the AC trolls, but I can't resist:
I did not make any comment on the "whole point" of any particular law. I commented on the whole point of civil disobedience. Civil disobedience is not a law. It is the willful and public breaking (hence illegal) of an unjust law, in the hopes of receiving the corresponding punishment, as a means
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In a country that has no problem jailing more of its citizens than any other nation, it seems like going to prison in protest doesn't really inconvenience anyone in power.
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In a country that has no problem jailing more of its citizens than any other nation, it seems like going to prison in protest doesn't really inconvenience anyone in power.[/RoutineAmericaBashing]
Last time I checked, people didn't go to prison real often for peaceful protest.
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Not always to start with. A group of people staging a sit-down isn't initially illegal (your police state may vary). Of course when ordered to move along or asked for papers please, and they don't, then it peacefully drifts over the line.
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Yes, always to start with.
A group of people staging a sit-down isn't initially illegal (your police state may vary).
Then it isn't civil disobedience yet. It's a lawful protest. Why do people insist on using the term "civil disobedience" as a synonym for "protest"?
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