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Evolution Of RSS 30

Posted by krow from the beat-the-brat-with-a-baseball-bat dept.
If you are not familiar with RSS, and you work with web content and publishing, you should be. Webreference has an article covering the details and history of RSS. This week's temporary loss of the DTD that Netscape was hosting has pushed RSS from a behind the scenes tool, and into the common pool of buzzwords. While RSS may appear new to some peple it has been around for a couple of years. If you are a user with an account and you personalize your Slashboxes, you are deciding which RSS feeds you would like to display (not all slashboxes are RSS, but most are).
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  • > According to Everything, RSS is an acronym for Rich Site Summary, an XML format for distributing news headlines on the Web

    Now that we're in the post-new economy, can you recommend a tool for doing Poor Site Summaries?

    ps - Please recommend something cheap.

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  • this story has the best color scheme ever on slashdot. I want slashdot to alwasy look like this!!
  • From http://slashdot.org/slashdot.rdf :

    <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax -ns#" xmlns="http://my.netscape.com/rdf/simple/0.9/">

    Maybe not legal, but still in use as "RDF". I hate to pick nits too, but once it wos published it was out there.

  • I put the most interesting new news sites in my Newsfeeds [manilasites.com] weblog.

    You can also read syndicated news (on Windows) using Headline Viewer [headlineviewer.com]. It has nearly 950 news sites built in.

    Jeff;

  • I know what RSS is! It is short for "resident set size" and if you use for example top to show it, you can get an idea of how much memory a program is using.

    Seriously, it is kind of a problem that there are only a little more than 17 thousand three-letter acronyms. I am starting to see lots of duplicates, even just within the small (but acronym-filled) field of computing.

    (Incidentally, and far more off-topic, the best graphical top like program that I know is qps [nada.kth.se] which I urge people to try out. For some reason it does not seem to appear in distributions!?)
    --

  • I am running an RSS reading site for Science Fiction and Computing books and I get the same feeling that few are interested in providing RSS files. I guess I will have to write them myself. Bother. If anyone has any good SF or computing books sites that have RSS files then do tell me
  • I run a site with slashcode and tried to get several related sites to provide RSS feeds, but none were interested.

    I hope it gets more popular.
  • Thanks, this has been corrected (Lars was orig DTD author, the Dan Libby for Netscape).

    Also, I included a direct link to the intro to RSS piece:

    http://www.webreference.com/authoring/languages/xm l/rss/intro/ [webreference.com]

  • I tweaked this wording (some familiarity) and placed a direct link to my RSS intro at:

    http://www.webreference.com/authoring/languages/xm l/rss/intro/ [webreference.com] Appreciate any other feedback.

  • Yeah, that would be really cool! The Evolution executive-summary page and Nautilus sidebar also give easy access to RDF feeds (and CVS Nautilus is actually quick enough to make this worthwile ;-)

    Until then though, I'd recommend that if people have time, they go browse www.xmltree.com [xmltree.com], as a source of lots of useful (and useless) RDF feeds.

  • Backwards compatibility vs extensibility (Score:3)

    by BierGuzzl ( 92635 ) on Friday May 04, 2001 @04:17PM (#244656)
    From What I've read at backend.userland.com [slashdot.org] RSS 0.92 is completely backwards compatible with the now gone 0.91 as all the new features are optional. I see there's also work being started on 0.93. As for RSS 1.0, there's much emphasis on extensibility and creating custom namespaces so we won't have to worry about peoples modules conflicting with eachother,etc. -- From what I can see, RSS 1.0 will still be able to parse the 0.91 RDF's but there doesn't seem to be any clear guarantee of this. Has anyone found clear direction on this?

  • HierMenu (Score:4)

    by abischof ( 255 ) <alex&spamcop,net> on Friday May 04, 2001 @04:09PM (#244657) Homepage
    On a related note, Web Reference [webreference.com] really does some fine stuff. Of particular note is the HierMenu [webreference.com] script, which uses DHTML to simulate pulldown menus (it works in Netscape v4+, IE v4+, and even Mozilla). It's not Free, but still free. Major websites [webreference.com] (such as Merrill Lynch [ml.com] and Trilogy Software [trilogy.com]) use the script all the time.

    Alex Bischoff
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  • You got fired from a six-figure job in the twelve minutes between his post and yours, minus the time it took you to type in your post?

    Wow, the economy is even less stable than anyone thinks!

  • bad link (Score:3)

    by BierGuzzl ( 92635 ) on Friday May 04, 2001 @04:21PM (#244659)
    doh -- my bad. Real link is here [userland.com] (let that be a lesson to me)
  • I had to look this one up. According to Everything [everything2.com], RSS is an acronym for Rich Site Summary, an XML format for distributing news headlines on the Web, also known as syndication.

  • What alternatives exist to regain my.netscape's functionality? I can't find any promising leads within my.netscape support, so is there a similar non-AOL site I should try? A first idea that springs to mind is customizing my slashdot prefs, but will I be able to get regional weather, international news, and a stock portfolio? It seems a bit irrational to even START down that path.

    I was thrilled to see this news item, because I had over-loaded my.netscape heavily. I used it to keep tabs on a half-dozen other sets of headlines, including slashdot.

    And, leaping off-topic:

    Why-oh-why did AOL buy Netscape? It's like the old joke about the mother-in-law going over a cliff in your new ferarri. At least when AT&T bought TCI and with last week's Wells-Fargo buying First Security Bank, I could smile at seeing two "Never do business with THEM again" companies merge into one poisonous unkillable legal fiction-- um, I mean corporation.

    Sig: If corporations are pretend people, why can't we give the bad ones the death penalty? Heck, there was even a ship that was once put to death!

  • (OT) Slashboxes (Score:3)

    by Raven667 ( 14867 ) on Friday May 04, 2001 @05:07PM (#244662) Homepage

    This is off-topic, but is there a list of the RDF URL's you use for the Slashboxes available? I really like the little news ticker that comes with KDE and I would like to add some of my slashboxes to it. TIA

    --Mark [mailto]

  • The RSS 0.91 DTD is back at http://my.netscape.com/publish/formats/rss-0.91.dt d [netscape.com]...
    --
    George W. Bush
    President, United States of America
  • I've been experimenting with Radio Userland which allows me to pick up headlines from multiple sites.

    Anyone know where to find lists of useful ones? I'm trying to find the one for blues news, which is available on slashdot, but I can't work out where to access it from.

    Cheers,

    Andy D
    _____
  • RSS 1.0 will still be able to parse the 0.91 RDF's

    If I may pick a nit, RSS 0.91 is not RDF. RSS 1.0 is, I believe, the first rev that's legal RDF.

  • Rich Site Summary, an XML format (presumably made by some netscape folks). I've also heard it as "Remote Site Syndication", which is also fitting :)
    my.netscape.com has (last I checked) a s*load of RSS channels. userland also has a LOT!
    Actually I've tried to convince a lot of the newspapers where I live, to make RSS channels, but only ONE out of the eight I contacted was willing - the others said that was a source of income, and there fore you had to pay for it. That I don't get at all. Something is wrong inside those peoples heads. They actually think that I would pay them to do their advertising?? (The links to the articles goes to their site!)

  • Erh! It wasn't netscape! The original RSS DTD was actually done by Lars Marius Garshol (larsga@dontspamhim.ifi.uio.no) - sorry for that one! Although later RSS DTDs was done by a netscape man...

  • You might want to try my site: http://www.newsisfree.com/

    If you're tired of MyNetscape, it offers over 1400 news sources you can arrange in boxes as you like.

    NewsIsFree also exports most of them many formats such as many RSS flavors (for use with Radio Userland [userland.com], Headline Viewer [vertexdev.com] or AmphetaDesk [disobey.com], but also JavaScript or HTML easy integration on your web site.

    Also, check out this page [newsisfree.com], for a list of other RSS providers.

  • See here. [corpwatch.org]

    Caution: contents may be quarrelsome and meticulous!

  • When I first saw this post I thought it was about the RSS, as in Relay Spam Stopper [mail-abuse.org]. It's responsible for the lack of spam in my inbox.. :)

    (go ahead, offtopic, blah blah..)

    zsazsa

  • But they commit a couple cardinal sins:

    • On this page [webreference.com] the hierarchical menus pop out, but you don't click on the popped-out part, and you can't tell that easily because the cursor doesn't change properly when it's over the link part.
    • On this page [webreference.com] they have a small word that's the link to a site, and then a much larger spelled-out URL which isn't a link! I wonder if they've ever actually tried to use their pages...

      I'm sure webreference is great and all, but they haven't made a good first impression on me :)


    Caution: contents may be quarrelsome and meticulous!

  • Re:(OT) Slashboxes (Score:2)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Yes, I am big fan of KNewsTicker. For some reason, it's not that easy to find non-tech news feeds. I was particularly interested in NY Times stuff. But yesterday I hit the motherload at newsisfree.com which has 1487 sources like NY Times National at: http://www.newsisfree.com/export.php3?_f=rss91&_w= f&_i=758 Another good source is http://w.moreover.com with about 1800 sources.

  • DTD single point-of-failure (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I always wondered about the wisdom of the DTD URL. It was the first thing that struck me when I first saw some XML - what, it needs these links to other sites, just to parse the file? What if those sites aren't there?

    Was this really a gross idiotic oversight by the designers of XML? Did they really have zero experience in designing this sort of thing? Or is there some good reason that DTDs don't reside in a namespace which lives outside DNS and can therefore handle replication?

  • Totally Kick Ass!

    I did some Google searching earlier but didn't turn up much, the links you provided are exactally what I was looking for.

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