"Project Rave" Beta Released 34
Glenn Holmer writes "The long-awaited beta of Sun Java Studio Creator (the IDE formerly known as Project Rave) has been released. This is the product that is supposed to make Java development easy (especially for web apps) by using drag and drop technology. It is based on NetBeans and uses JavaServer Faces technology."
As usual... (Score:3, Interesting)
OS X (Score:5, Insightful)
If not, why not?
If so, why is Sun dorking around with platform-specific installers?
Either way, it seems tantamount to an admission of the failure of Java portability
Re:OS X (Score:5, Interesting)
I can imagine there is little market demand for Mac OS X support and so little incentive for sun to invest time in it. In addition, Apple is a big competitor in the workstation market so SUN will likely prefer that developers use something else. Preferably something where SUN delivers the JVM (linux, solaris & win32) so they can hook into the compiler and sun specific JVM optimizations.
Probably, it is rather easy to get the thing going on a mac if you know what you are doing so I don't really see the problem.
Re:OS X (Score:5, Informative)
He said all of Sun's tools run on Macs, and indeed many of their developers used Macs on a daily basis. He said that they really need to work on Mac installers, and hopefully the situation would improve over time.
If anyone has influence over this, it's Gosling. If you're interested in seeing Mac tools, email him and let him know.
Re:OS X (Score:1)
Re:OS X (Score:1)
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Limited functionality, high price? (Score:5, Insightful)
I see this IDE's market to be nothing more than a niche of people who already use Java at work to code Java Server Feces.
Re:Limited functionality, high price? (Score:3, Funny)
Daniel
Re:Limited functionality, high price? (Score:2)
Re:Limited functionality, high price? (Score:5, Informative)
JSF has just recently been released. It's an important new technology that brings J2EE UI development up to snuff with many of the ideas MS used in
Re:Limited functionality, high price? (Score:1)
Java Server Feces (Score:4, Funny)
With a name like that, I bet it's kinda crap.
Re:Limited functionality, high price? (Score:2)
If not, then I don't see why Sun should money developing a tool that will never be profitable to make Java more attractive on price. There are few if any commercial developers doing
I saw a demo of Rave at a conference. It's pretty slick stuff and lets you design a site with a database backend using only the GUI and very little code. The real issue is that nobody I know uses a
Re:Limited functionality, high price? (Score:1)
WebObjects [apple.com]?
Re:Limited functionality, high price? (Score:2, Interesting)
GNUstepWeb [gnustepweb.org], however, is.
And yes, it's a complete clone of WebObjects and Enterprise Object Framework.
Re:Limited functionality, high price? (Score:2)
Yay! (Score:2)
In all seriousness though, this is most likely a good thing. It'll be interesting to see how this changes the corporate landscape. Although I have to cringe at any press release that uses the word "leverage"...
Re:Yay! (Score:1)
They do serve their purpose in assisting people with spending less time working on the UI implementation of the code they write by hand. I think a good example of that is XCode.
Re:Yay! (Score:1)
Don't be so narrow-minded. I had the bad luck of being transfered to a web development team, and all we use here is M$. Not the .NET, but that old ASP shit. (Sigh!)
I tried PHP, but it doesn't feel like an alternative. Web development is particularly painful. I hate writing the same HTML shit everytime I want to create a new form, and having to deal with all that request/response shit, validating arguments with totally unreliable client-side Javascript or, as an alternative, enter in the request/response s
Rave - what's up with the awful marketing blather? (Score:5, Insightful)
but the homepage introduction is horrendous.
used productively and effectively.
leverage the power of the Java platform
Can someone at Sun get a clue about this?
I'm a Java developer (and former Sun employee)
and I don't need to read words like "leverage"
and "powerful technologies" and buzzwords.
Instead: tell me what the tool is,
what it does-- ideally with screenshots--
and how it fits with my other Java tools.
Cheers, Joel
Buzzword enabled (Score:2)
Move along... (Score:5, Funny)
I dosen't work on platform $FOO
Real developers use language $BAR
Java is proprietary therefore it sucks $FOO is much better because it's $OS LICENSED
I tried it but it didn't do $OBSCURE THING properly so I went back to $POPULAR THING
I heard that MS is discontinuing support for it so why bother.
It's just another incarnation of $FOO why do we need so many ways to do $BAR why can't there be one standard?
$FOO is so much better at $BAR than this everyone should use $FOO.
$FOO dosen't make coffee
etc..
I'm sure you'll point out the spelling errors and missed points.
Re:Move along... (Score:1)
Why are you whining about people whining ?
Re:Move along... (Score:2)
Java is slow
Real men do not need memory management
Re:Can we say "TO LITTLE TOO LATE" (Score:1)
Re:Eye candy (Score:1)
Also remember this isn't a production release and it has some features missing as well as some bugs. Over all I think it's pretty cool. Definately the kind of tool t
Hrmmmm... Looks familiar.... (Score:1)