KDE 3.3 Beta "Klassroom" Released 446
twener writes "The KDE team has announced the Beta 1 development version of the upcoming KDE 3.3 release. This release is named 'Klassroom' following the 'Kindergarten' Alpha; the goal is to make this child visit the "aKademy" KDE World Summit in August. Most planned features are there, next week starts the feature freeze. Source and provided binary packages are listed on the KDE 3.3 Beta 1 Info Page next to the KDE 3.3 Requirements List."
Heh (Score:5, Funny)
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I Kan't stand it anymore. (Score:5, Funny)
You need to lighten up... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Heh (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Heh (Score:5, Interesting)
People make fun of names like Konsole, unaware that that is the correct spelling... in Germany, which is where the app was originally written. Several of the apps that originate in English speaking countries have a 'K' sound but do not start with a gratuitous 'K' (like Quanta), or they add a K- prefix (KPDF, kPlayer) the same way Microsoft adds a MS prefix (MS Office, MS Money, etc) or Apple adds an i or Power prefix (iBook, PowerBook, iMac, PowerMac). Very few app names are mangled with an extra K where a C should be.
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Evan
Re:Heh (Score:2)
>is it called Highskool in German?
GymnasiumRe:Heh (Score:5, Insightful)
Academy = "Akademie" not "Akademy"
Highschool = "Hochschule", "Realschule", or "Gymnasium"
ad nauseum. Sure, some apps like Konsole get it right. And a bunch of apps like Konstruct, Kommander, aKregator, and Kasablanca get it wrong.
Keeping this in mind, Konsole is probably the exception, not the rule.
Re:Yeah, but (Score:3, Informative)
As in:
Web Browser (Konqueror)
News Reader (Knode)
Mail Client (Kmail)
Download Manager (KGet)
etc.
Kersonally... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Kersonally... (Score:4, Insightful)
That and various other reasons keep me with Gnome. At least it's a bit harder to make a Good pun with g's. Or is it? Maybe it's time for fluxbox...
Re:Kersonally... (Score:2)
Re:Kersonally... (Score:2)
Something's not quite right here. ;)
Re:Kersonally... (Score:2)
aren't the code kde developers european anyways living in countries where things like 'academy' are spelt with a 'k' naturally.
Re:Kersonally... (Score:3, Funny)
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Re:end of life.. (Score:2)
Re:end of life.. (Score:5, Funny)
Or, it could simply go Kaput.
KDE Methods (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:KDE Methods (Score:5, Insightful)
(Check the evolution of Kontact, for example, or Konqueror, which is not so big if you would only load the KHTML part)
Just like you can pipe grep with awk with sed... but graphically somehow :P
Re:KDE Methods (Score:5, Insightful)
So, KDE is built with small parts and tools, they're just very nicely intergrated.
However, I'm supprised that no really bad security holes in konqueror have been discovered yet. Browser and file manager intergrated is very nice, but also very scary...
Re:KDE Methods (Score:2)
The reason that there are no really bad security holes (that have been found, at any rate) and what makes it difficult to make them is exactly this. A kio_http kio slave and KHTML part linked together is insecure, and that's known. A kio_file kio slave can be more trusted. The source and interface is intelligent about how th
Re:KDE Methods (Score:3, Insightful)
What happened? Which other one do you mean?
If there's one great KDE application, it's konqueror. I think it's very well done. I really like the way they integrate things. For instance, you can drag and drop something from the web into a directory in your disk. It will be shown as a thumbnail. Pass the cursor over it and a window with details will pop up. Click on it and the system will run the application that handles that type of file. I think konqueror
Re:KDE Methods (Score:2)
You mean, it was one great KDE application. Unfortuntely, it encountered one of those interface lightbulb moments - not where the light goes on, but where it completely shatters. I enjoyed using Konqueror up until the point that someone got the bright of idea to implement a horizontal bookmarks menu that hijacks my entire screen, and worse, without giving the user an option to enjoy a more standard option, which is a menu that scrolls vertically. I no
Re:KDE Methods (Score:5, Informative)
KDE is really the only GUI system I'm familiar with that does try to follow the UNIX philosophy. It's a shame that the underlying system of KDE isn't better understood because the misinformation about it gives KDE a bad name.
Re:KDE Methods (Score:3, Insightful)
Hey good idea - what we'll do is split everything up into things called kparts. So there is an html kpart called khtml, and a file browsing kpart, and a kword kpart, and a pdf viewer kpart and so on.
Then to just glue it together we can have an app which just loads the kparts, and call that, say konqueror.
Oh wait, that's what happens. What
Popularity and Entanglement (Score:2)
lets just say that KDE becomes everybodies favorite desktop, and all the computer neophytes embrace it over windows, then i'll have the joy of reading all teh slashdot rants about 'how stupid it is that konqueror is built into the system. it's an invitation for viruses and exploits.' Now i know that 'the most popular browser in the world' is a virus whore for reasons other then just being popular, but having it integrated so deeply into your system gives you a great sing
Re:Popularity and Entanglement (Score:5, Informative)
Then use Konqueror. That's what it is.
If you do a 'ps |grep konq', you can see that it is actually totally different processes and programs running when you're using it as a file manager and as a browser. KDE uses the Unix philosophy of "small applications that can be chained". Konqueror is like the tty - it provides a framework for output. That's why you can run KOffice apps directly inside Konqueror or view images, or edit using kvim, etc.
FTP support ina file manager isn't a bad idea though, as long as you use your file manager for managing files
Konqueror doesn't have FTP support - KDE does. Again, "small applications that are chained". kio slaves such as kio_file, kio_ftp, and others that access digital cameras, printers, audio cds (presenting virtual wav, ogg and mp3 directories named from freedb), and many others allow every application to treat any protocol as a local disk. You can fire up ANY app and open a file on a remote system, hit save and it saves out to that system. There is no need for an 'ftp' program, because every KDE app supports ftp (and sftp and digital cameras and...) natively.
Small applications, easy chaining.
Run KDE, and then, from the commandline, run 'dcop'. You can even bash script KDE apps. Or use perl... or python... or anything else you want.
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Evan
Re:Popularity and Entanglement (Score:3, Informative)
Then you will be disappointed to find out that you can use the pipe operator at a UNIX terminal to make various little programs work together... because that is all konqueror does. Just as grep, ls, ps, etc are seprate programs that can be tied together via pipe, KDE's file manager, ftp client, web browser, word processors, etc... can all be tied together via konqueror.
Konqueror is a graphical pipe!
In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
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New features (Score:5, Informative)
Major Kontact improvements all-around
Amarok, a new audio player that will hopefulyl replace the awful Noatun/Kaboodle
KolourPaint - which was needed
My wish: integrate Konversation, and get rid of Keramik :)
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Using Konqueror with all video files associated to "mplayer -zoom" is what I've found works best so far.
For music, I really like JuK. Amarok seems nice but it is very buggy too (once I set gstreamer, which wasn't configured properly, I couldn't ever revert to arts, for example)
Re:New features (Score:3, Informative)
I don't like the way Amarok is an ARTS frontend, mainly because ARTS is shit
Re:New features (Score:2)
Version 1+ supports gstreamer (and direct-ALSA too I believe), and I know support for other framework is being worked on too.
Also Kopete / Kontact integration (Score:4, Interesting)
You can now see a user's online status inside KMail and inside KAddressbook, if you have Kopete running. You can also click on an address to IM them, from inside either of these applications.
To me this is a killer feature. Gnome still has a bounty out on it ( http://www.gnome.org/bounties/IM.html [gnome.org]
Kudos to KDE (Score:3, Funny)
Such a kollection of kompatible kontraptions kan only be konceived by a konglomeration of kompassionate koders kontributing to a valiant kause.
KDE is kosher as far as I'm koncerned.
MOD PARENT UP!! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Kudos to KDE (Score:2)
soo stable !! (Score:2, Interesting)
Rock solid (Score:2)
Re:soo stable !! (Score:5, Interesting)
KDE works perfectly for me. Everything just comes together and works without a single complaint, and it's nicely polished to boot. I can live with ugly, but I'd prefer not to if it's at all possible, and KDE can be the prettiest WM if you tweak it right. She's fast, stable, and easy to use to the point where I don't even have to think about stuff, I just do. Customizable enough that if I don't like something I can almost totally change it, while not drowning in a clusterfsck of options. Some have mentioned that it's bloated. I'm on a 500Mhz system and it runs just a notch slower than freakin' WindowMaker. It's more than fast enough for me.
Toss in the GPL'ed QT and you have a totally Free Software WM that rocks. It just works.
Fast? (Score:3, Insightful)
That said, *drool*. My main interests in KDE 3.3 is full groupware support in Kontact, a working Kopete, and hopefully some stability cleanups. I look forward to every KDE release, as each one blows me away with how well done it is from an overall design perspective.
Re:Fast? (Score:2)
However, I believe it will be the last release for a while (disregarding maintenance release) because the next one will be KDE4.
I wish more programs would go the Quanta way of releasing both WITH KDE and as seperate release (look out for Quanta BE...) so those of us who don't want to mess with CVS can get the new features without having to wait for KDE4. I believe the KDE-PIM modu
Crap KDE discussions (Score:4, Insightful)
Ohh sorry, I forgot for a sec... this is slashdot.
Very interesting. (Score:5, Insightful)
It would suggest, anecdotally anyway, that users have no major issues with KDE which is something that cannot be said about almost any other Linux desktop. Observe other Slashdot articles about Gnome, xFCE or others and you will see lots of comments complaining about bugs, design issues, performance, lack of features and more. There are very few posts of this nature with this article and that alone speaks volumes for KDE.
Could it be that despite the flame wars, KDE is indeed the best/preferred desktop for Linux?
Google Cache for features (Score:4, Informative)
Well I'll start an actual discussion... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Well I'll start an actual discussion... (Score:3, Informative)
hmm, that might have been the kase awhile back - but it sure doesn't seem to be the kase with my kurrent system.
I installed SuSE 9.1, and started using KDE as my primary desktop, being a former long time redhat/gnome user, also having used blackbox, icewm, xfce and others.
I find that kde 3.2.3 on suse 9.1 is very snappy, featureful and has lots of kool eye kandy. I could almost use konqueror for all my web browsing, but every once in awhile there will be
Re:Well I'll start an actual discussion... (Score:5, Informative)
Unlike Microsoft, you have the option of which parts to install. You also have the option to compile each component for yourself, using optimizations and "--disable-feature" as you see fit.
KDE's patch releases (i.e., 3.2.1, 3.2.2, 3.2.3) are almost exclusively focused on increasing stability and swatting bugs. There has been major efforts by the KDE team towards speed and stability with every release.
Check out http://valgrind.kde.org/ for a good GPLed debugger & profiler. Also look at KCachegrind while you're at it.
If the bloat of binary packages bothers you, then either Konstruct it yourself or buy a faster machine. Don't blame KDE, blame the distro you're using for choosing everything-but-the-kitchen-sink , compiled for the lowest common denominator, in their packages.
-chill
Re:Well I'll start an actual discussion... (Score:3, Informative)
Agreed... KDE3.2 is a lot snappier than 3.1. ARTs, for example, skips significantly less. (Though it's still buggy that I wish they'd just replace it already! Yeah, I know this is nontrivial, but it's really crappy)
How about some screenshots?! (Score:2, Interesting)
Does anyone have any screenshots of the new features or pictures of why I should bother trying this new version over the version that I have installed but don't use now anyway?
DFossmeister
Re:How about some screenshots?! (Score:3, Interesting)
Finally (Score:2, Interesting)
I'm there...
KDE's Konsole Vs. Gnome Terminal (Score:3, Interesting)
I really like KDE. However I love Gnome Terminal. It allows me to *really* make a it a fullscreen app. No sliding bars or menus there to distract me and take away precious screen space. I couldn't get Konsole to do this. Also I tried using Gnome Terminal under KDE and it had a few problems. It has been a while and I forget exactly what those problems were.
Once Konsole is as good as Gnome Terminal, I am making the switch to KDE full-time.
Re:KDE's Konsole Vs. Gnome Terminal (Score:3, Interesting)
Sure it's a little thing, and I'm sure it's possible to change it, but Konsole suits the way I work better.
Re:KDE's Konsole Vs. Gnome Terminal (Score:4, Informative)
Here's a hint: use the view menu, and turn off the scroll bar, tab bar, and menu bar, then go full screen. ;)
KitchenSync (Score:3, Insightful)
Composing html mail is a good thing? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Composing html mail is a good thing? (Score:5, Informative)
It was, however, the wish with most votes on bugs.kde.org. So I guess implementing this wish was a case of dev listening to users.
I believe it finally got implemented because of the work on Kafka (Quanta WYSIWYG component) made it not-so-hard.
In any case, it will be OFF by default, obviously.
Re:kontact (Score:2)
Wizards to help create spam and virii easily?
Kmail for sKript Kiddies?
Re:For the conspiracy theorists... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:For the conspiracy theorists... (Score:2, Funny)
Nestle has recently introduced Kit Kat Kubes
I shit you not. [snackspot.org]
Re:Ha (Score:4, Informative)
They'd be perfect as thin clients for a K12LTSP [k12ltsp.org] server. For that you need one decent machine to use as a server. It's a LOT easier than administering 20 stand-alone boxes.
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Re:Ha (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm also using it on a 550MHz crappy Packard Bell box with Intel on board graphics (hey it was a freeby) using FreeBSD. Again even with the Intel graphics, it runs transparent menus, icon zooming and shadows with no trouble. About the only thing I had to turn off was full window moving (works better with outline window moving), and it doesn't do OpenGL, but it performs well enough in 2D.
Yeah I know, all this stuff is old, time I upgraded etc. etc.
I suspect that, if they have enough memory (>128M)and decent video cards(anything that will run full colour accelerated sould, those old Dells could run KDE better than you think. Otherwise, use IceWM or Windowmaker.
Re:Kollege (Score:3, Funny)
Will the pre-release be Kommunity Kollege?
Re:Kollege (Score:2)
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wrong side? (Score:2)
I never even noticed the "backwards buttons." What I HAVE noticed is that every single machine I have installed kde on I end up with a seriously ugly desktop unless I'm willing to spend quite some time trying to figure out why all the fonts are so big, why they don't scale in rpoportion to the fonts in the workspace areas,
Re:wrong side? (Score:3, Interesting)
Feature, not a bug (sort of) - the X server asks your monitor what DPI it does, and KDE sets the font sizes as appropriate. 10pt on one monitor should look physically the same size as 10pt on another, even if the monitors are different sizes and are running at different resolutions.
Admittedly, it annoys the hell out of me, particularly with one of my monitors which reckons 1
Re:question (Score:4, Insightful)
Contrary to your claim, I find Gnome much better with regards to usability.
KDE is 'better', technologically, but each time I've tried to switch I've been put off by the clutter and garish icons and themes. Some Gnome's buttons might be switched around (not that I've ever noticed), but as long as it's consistent, it doesn't really matter.
I reckon Gnome has won the corporate heart through it's simplicity. If you compare a screenshot of KDE [kde.org] against one of Gnome [acc.umu.se], it's obvious that Gnome is less in-your-face than KDE. Gnome sort of blends into the background. Sort of like the difference between a Ferrari and an Aston Matrin.
Re:question (Score:2)
Every gnome beta gets announced here as well, as all can easily verify...
Re:K ad nauseum (Score:5, Informative)
besides, it's a handy way to differentiate..
Re:K ad nauseum (Score:4, Informative)
ceramic = keramisch
class = Klasse
academy = Akademie
Re:K ad nauseum (Score:2)
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Re:K ad nauseum (Score:2)
*Looks back at large billboard acronym* ooh that doesn't look good
(and yes, i abbreviated an acronym...)
Re:K ad nauseum (Score:2)
That letter gives a hint of for what environment is, in both cases, but of course, that is optional, one of the best programs for KDE is called Quanta, not Kuanta.
Re:This K stuff has gotta stop (Score:2)
Re:This K stuff has gotta stop (Score:5, Informative)
Instead of saying GAIM it says "Internet Messenger"
That's exactly what KDE's menu does. My multimedia menu is:
CD & DVD Burning (K3b)
Media Player (Kaboodle)
Music Player (JuK)
Sound Mixer (KMix)
Re:This K stuff has gotta stop (Score:2)
menu->
CD Burners
->cdrecord (*)
->cdtoaster
->xcd
->abcde
and when you right-click on CD Burners it would select the (*)'ed menu item and if you hover over it for ###msecs it would then open the next menu. The (*) would move when you picked a diffrent one and there would always be a "prefered by the distrubution" default.
Just my $0.02 worth.
Re:This K stuff has gotta stop (Score:5, Informative)
First off, have you checked the KDE menu recently? Applications are groupped ("Editors", "Internet" etc) and then also have verbose names ("Web-Browser (Konqueror)", "Mail-Program (KMaiL)" etc...). So that issue is totally moot.
Otherwise, to me the "k" indicates it's a program written for KDE using KDE API's. As such, it wont use GTK, Gnome etc. and will integrate well into my desktop. As opposite to "gaim" or "gdesklets" etc. which are written for Gnome.
So to me the k/g/x/other naming conventions are very helpful in determening whether I want the program or not. And for less experienced users, they got the verbose names to go by and dont have to worry about it.
Cheers,
André
Easier on the command line too (Score:2)
Re:This K stuff has gotta stop (Score:2)
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Re:This K stuff has gotta stop (Score:4, Funny)
and then... (Score:2)
Re:odd. (Score:2)
Face it folks, X.org is brand new. I don't know of any currently shrink-wrapped distro on the store shelves that has it. Do you really want KDE to recommend users to uninstall their distro-supplied XFree86 package and build their won X.org? This may be a no brainer for experienced Gentoo users, but it's going to drive Mandrake newbies