Stallman Pushes For Free BIOS 419
An anonymous reader writes "One key area that Richard Stallman, GNU project founder, hopes to develop is an OSS-based BIOS. But his work has been hindered by PC manufacturers who haven't been receptive to the idea. Stallman told Builder AU that: 'we're looking for companies willing to cooperate with the community in this way.' On challenges facing developers today, Stallman said the worst was the proliferation of laws that explicitly ban free software for certain jobs."
The momentum is pushing him away... (Score:3, Insightful)
Isn't Microsoft looking to create a nasty piece of BIOS (or no BIOS) which would lock down a system beyond the belief of most persons who aren't "well educated" WRT technology; i.e., the people who wouldn't have a need for tinkering with the system. I'm looking to this akin to car manufacturers wanting to sell cars with the hood welded shut?
Re:The momentum is pushing him away... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:The momentum is pushing him away... (Score:2)
Re:The momentum is pushing him away... (Score:5, Interesting)
No. Microsoft and others have created a nasty piece of technology including BIOS modifications which, working with other modifications and additions to standard PC hardware, will not only lock users out of performing certain actions but could be used to allow total control over end user machines by Microsoft or the government (or your personal least favorite organization), regardless of how tech-savvy the end user might be.
Being smart does not make you safe.
Don't reply about how you can always gain complete control of your own hardware with enough technical knowledge and time. Read Ross Anderson's TCPA FAQ [cam.ac.uk] too see why that still applicable bit of security wisdom isn't sufficient to throw off the yoke of TC. Go here [trustedcomputing.org] for all the technical nitty gritty if you're not still convinced.
some folks will just never get it... (Score:3, Insightful)
But if tcpa allows those wal-mart "computing devices" to provide their users some basic functionality without ddosing the entire subnet with virus activity, then I'm all for it... as will be most of the joes and janes presently calling tech support every month because their computer caught (yet anothe
Re:freedom is better (Score:3, Insightful)
Don't get me wrong, I run Linux at home and I love the security, but I know that every configure script I run could contain harmful code. I know that a trojaned version of a mozilla pluggin could run with my privs and wipe out everything I can access.
What we need to do is run every application as a seperate user. You wouldn't run Apache and sshd as the same user, or run an ftp se
Re:The momentum is pushing him away... (Score:3, Insightful)
We broke it back in the 80s when it first came out... we're breaking it now, and we'll break it in the future.
This kind of specification could only work if all hardware conformed to it... which will never happen, for a lot of good reasons. First of all, there is a lot of perfectly good legacy hardware floating around, that has no "copy protection" functionality whatsoever. For example, I have a microphone jack and an old PC. T
Re:The momentum is pushing him away... (Score:2)
True, but if the companies involved wish to sell those products to or withing the US, then the products will have to comply with all the relevant statutes.
Re:The momentum is pushing him away... (Score:3, Informative)
I have written umpteen multipage posts explaining things here on slashdot, but I don't feel like typing a mulit-page post right now. If you want detailed/technical answers about Trusted Computing just ask.
I just want to point out that many of the things you suggest just won't work. Microsof
Re:The momentum is pushing him away... (Score:2)
This is a myth. Only allowing PCs to run microsoft-approved software is one possible application of the technology, but the technology itself is much more dangerous than xbox drm and functions significantly differently.
Don't feel safe because you see xbox mod chips on the market. See the links in my post a bit further down for more info.
Re:The momentum is pushing him away... (Score:2)
Bling Bling (Score:4, Interesting)
Hardware vs. Software is starting to be viewed as the last outpost of the fight to save capitalism in the Software industry.
If he's really serious, he'll find an investor who can't quite break in yet and try to nail down that niche.
Re:Bling Bling (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Bling Bling (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Bling Bling (Score:2)
> doesn't mean capitalism in software is dead.
> The profit margins have gone down and will
> continue to do so but that's simply market
> capitalism at work.
No, the point is that the free market for software is being killed by the slow tilt towards the point where the production of any new piece of software is subject to a veto by existing companies, who can simply deny the information necessary for interoperation.
We can already have "Hmm, nice sof
Re:Bling Bling (Score:3, Insightful)
Stallman is going to have to find a serious financial hook to lure companies with.
What about this...
Re:Bling Bling (Score:2)
Free Software/Open Source Software is capitalism at its best. Proprietary software relies on a "limited" (almost forever) copying monopoly in their business model. F/OSS instead encourages competition because the source is out there and everyone is in the same position as the original coder. F/OSS DOESN'T remove the money from the IT field. There is much money to make from custom
Link has little info about bios (Score:3, Insightful)
But, the interview is interesting.
Re:Link has little info about bios (Score:2, Interesting)
There's no "of course" about it. Ten years ago, almost all hardware manufacturers released details of hardware routinely. Back in 1994, I was programming video boards (S3 based, and Targa) using hardware specs provided by the manufacturer. Their reasoning was that providing programming specs resulted in more software being written for their boards, which would result in more sales. Makes sense, doesn't it?
What has changed i
Re:Link has little info about bios (Score:5, Interesting)
Why is that so natural? It used to be, when you bought a computer you got the entire schematic and a complete description of all the hardware registers. Up until the 16-bit generation you could buy that documentation for a small price - I know, I still have my "Amiga Hardware Reference Manual" gathering dust somewhere at home.
But all of a sudden it is no longer possible. Why?
I can at least tell you this: it isn't because hardware API's, all of a sudden, have become so unique, so incredibly advanced, that just telling people about register layout would cause vital secrets to escape the company. So having gotten that out of the way, why then?
It could be argued that it is a hassle actually writing documentation. But this cannot be the problem: the documentation must still exist for those few people who write drivers today. So that isn't it either.
Then it is possible that some sort of licensing scheme prohibits the companies from actually making the information public. Licensing from whom, I wonder? Who benefits from keeping this information locked up? I won't answer this one, but I bet you can guess...
Re:Link has little info about bios (Score:5, Informative)
It's only going to get worse from here on out. Ironically, while the patent system was originally designed to encourage publication, it is rife with problems currently which actually encourage secrecy, because that's the only way to avoid being the target of a lawsuit over some vague concept that a competitor happened to hold a patent on. Of course, you will have your own patents on vague concepts, so it's only a matter of who fires first. The hope with the secrecy approach is that nobody fires, because in the end the only winners are the lawyers.
As an Australian... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:As an Australian... (Score:5, Funny)
Person 1: "Apparently withdrawing from Iraq will increase Australia's risk of becoming a terrorist target..."
Person 2: "Who from? Al Qaeda?"
Person 1: "No, the U.S."
OpenBIOS, Open Standard (Score:5, Informative)
More like Open Vapour (Score:2, Informative)
From openbios.org:
It appears OpenBIOS is running only in emulators. In this case, you want LinuxBIOS instead of OpenBIOS for the same reason you want Linux instead of HURD: it's here now.
Re:More like Open Vapour (Score:4, Informative)
so far openbios runs on emulators (MOL; pearpc and qemu are in the works) and native hardware (amd64, ppc - the latter still awaiting integration, iirc), as well as various hosted modes for development (hosted on unix, from grub - which allows to work on OF support in operating systems without having to reflash the bios)
Re:OpenBIOS, Open Standard (Score:4, Insightful)
Sun resells Mac Radeon 7000 cards as Sun XVR-100 cards [sun.com] (for about 300$) because OF allows it to work. Sun even admits they are Mac Radeon cards [sun.com]
Business model for mainboard manufacturers (Score:2, Funny)
2. Wait for people to compile their own BIOS
3. Charge customers for flashing a working BIOS back on the ROMs.
Easy, isn't it?
What laws? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:What laws? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:What laws? (Score:2)
Well aren't I glad I RTFA ?
So this is what is said...
1 (one) ban being considered
1 (one) ban on free software playing DVDs - at least, so
Re:What laws? These: (?) (Score:2)
The digital broadcast flag is another - as mentioned in the article. Anything with a screen larger than 13 inches would be classed as a TV, and only software which can't be fixed/improved will be allowed to read digital TV signals.
About the DVD example: it's not just DVDs, under the DMCA/E
Steps Against DRM (Score:5, Insightful)
Some might consider the FSF and Stallman in paticular, to be too zealous in their pursuit of a totally open system, but given the upsurge in patenting, litigation, copyrght restrictions and DMCA style laws, the computing world is becoming a much harsher place for those who want to do, what they want to do, with their own computers. At the moment we have only operating systems restricting our rights on our own PCs. What happens if the PCs themselves contain the restrictions? How far will these restrictions go? How long before PCs come with restrictive EULA and can be repossessed for (suspected) infrigement? Already we can't mod chip our PS2s [slashdot.org]. What about our PCs? When they get region locking, will we be allowed to mod them? At least a libre BIOS might affors us some protection.
I just wonder, if trusted computing comes into vouge, will a non DRM BIOS be considered a device for circumventing copyright, and get banned under the DMCA. All the more reason to get it established soon, before newer more ridiculous laws are passed.
Re:Steps Against DRM (Score:2)
Rebuttal (Score:5, Insightful)
Now if the interfaces involve encryption, and keys are not available to free software, then certainly a lot of people, not just RMS, would complain. But it seems unlikely that this will happen, since the large chip companies make money from Linux-on-x86 sales.
You seem really keen on this, but it is false. The only way RMS contradicts capitalism is that he refuses to admit the crude monetisation of so-called 'intellectual property'. RMS instead says: ideas are not property. And our existing copyright and patent laws in fact state this. OK, at this point I have no idea what you are talking about. Free software is not going to destroy the computing industry, although it might cause some unemployment (just like other disruptive market changes). Surely "people who are smart enough and motivated enough" can cope with that.Re:Steps Against DRM (Score:5, Insightful)
Naa. It's not that you're a troll. It's just that you've fallen into the trap of contemporary thinking that most software is commercial software. That's simply not true. Most corporations have more lines of code for internal applications than MS Windows and the Linux kernel combined.
The fact is that the vast majority of that code is pure expense. Accounts Payable, Accounts Receivable, Payroll, Inventory control, etc., applications have been re-written thousands of times by different companies. It's only fairly recently that commercial packages for these have become available for "enterprise" use. They are expensive and can require changes to business processes that make a particular company's operation less efficient overall. Either that or pony up for consulting hours or source licenses to make custom modifications that have to be retrofitted into new realeases as they become available.
The bottom line is that if companies worked together to develop an open source suite of application components, each company's expenses would be lowered. Programmers would still be employed to compose the overall system so that it suits the companies management, organizational model and business processes. Programmers would still be employed to contribute to the open source process because it would be cheaper than recurring licensing costs and improve business effeciency.
And that only addresses business-related applications. IT is a hotbed of opportunities for cost reduction through participation in open source projects. Any company with an IT organization faces the same challenges: How do we manage all these network devices, servers, workstations, etc.? How do we get notified of a problem before the business is impacted so we can prevent a disruption of income? You can buy into the OpenView/Tivoli/Unicenter/etc. mega-management framework/suite/nightmare (which may impose artificial and arbitrary restrictions on your systems and network infrastucture) and spend big $$ in administration and "management of the management", or you can employ open source developers to work on projects with other companies facing the same issues. The price tags of these suites plus support labor most likely exceeds the cost of paying the same number of staff a little bit more for development experience.
Plus, I'll wager all my karma that any company running one (or more) of the big NMS suites has a variety of open source applications (MRTG, Nagios, NMIS, etc.) deployed as "point solutions" to fill gaps that it's just to painful to try to fill with the commercial products. We have one (unnamed) commercial performance management system that is licensed by the number of nodes monitored. The constant growth in our network combined with the traditional big-company purchasing bureaucracy means we never have enough licenses to monitor everything properly. So we either play the license shell game (moving licenses to nodes in the current hotspots) or we go look at NMIS for free.
Slowly, management has come around to the fact that open source deployment is faster, if not as flashy, as far more expensive commercial applications and at least as effective. They came to that realization because when problems came up they saw with their own eyes that our open source tools had the answers and the commercial products didn't because the commercial products were not licensed to "see" the problem.
Where they have not gone yet is understanding that since the open source applications are not as robust and flashy as they would like, they can fix that by letting staff participate on those projects to make them even more suitable to our environment. What have we got to lose? We spend enourmous labor hours on maintenance of servers and commercial software that doesn't quite meet our needs. How about we drop licensing costs, quite fighting applications (and vendors) to get them to do what we need, and spen
Soup Nazi (Score:5, Interesting)
With all due respect you seem to be stuck on the free as in beer. There is far more to open source that that. I particularly like that, using your analogy, this "soup kitchen" not only gives away soup, but provides the recipe so I can improve it. Or take their soup and use it in a burger recipe. And I can charge for delivery if I like!
It would kinda suck if the soup kitchens of the world put out the restaurants... I rather like eating out.
Hey buddy, you're quite free to walk into a soup kitchen RIGHT NOW and eat. Why don't you? Likely because the restaurant makes much better food, has much better ambience, much better service and also serves wine with the meal (They even have better soup!).
The problem with your analogy is that right now, the soup kitchens are making the better food, PLUS wine and a cab ride home. FOR FREE. If the soup kitchen can continue to make better food, and provide better service, good riddance to the restaurant.
But some of the restaurants are learning : Look at Novell, IBM, HP... they've got the idea : they've put soup kitchens IN their restaurants. They give the soup, and sell you tasty bread to go with it. They let you walk to the buffet for free, or you can pay to have a waiter!
If you, or your restaurant can't accept and adapt to that, well... looks like you and your wife won't be eating out much longer.
Don't be such a soup nazi! :P
Re:Steps Against DRM (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Steps Against DRM (Score:4, Interesting)
Socialism? Karl Marx did not invent sharing. At the end of the day, sharing is the heart of RMS's philosophy.
Communism and socialism both encompass a great many things that I've never heard RMS advocating.
"[...] but it is still charity. The OSS community is a socialist community."
Um, I hate to be argumentetive about this, but honestly if you equate charity with socialism then you don't understand one or the other.
"Now go ahead and mark me a troll for having an unpopular opinion."
I'd be just fine with an 'unpopular' opinion, but a flat out misinformed opinion is pretty unacceptable.
"I don't drink RMS's cool aid"
How could you when you are already drunk on Gates' champagne? Your arguments betray a profound misunderstanding if the nature of charity and philanthropy and it's role in a capitalist society.
I'm happy to see RMS doing this (Score:2)
open bios (Score:5, Insightful)
Whilst you may think that a bios is only usefull for tweeking memory timings to get a few more FPS from games, there are loads more things that it can do. For example on a sparc you can do memory, network and scsi tests at a low level before any OS gets to mess with the hardware. You can even program in forth at the OK prompt.
The ability to boot off the network is now in place on most modern bioses, but that has come about as a direct result of having it on server class bioses for years.
The fact that there is a full on TTY driver in the sun bios, means that you can plug the serial out into a another box and have full access to all aspects of the bios remotely. This may not seem much of a big deal to home users, but to a sysadmin it could save you hours of travel. Then there is the fact that you can change bios params. from within the OS.
Modern bioses by just havnt kept pace with modern hardware. There is a monopoly by a few companies, all pushing out a similar product that has just the minimum functions to run the box.
Whilst people may or may not love Stallman due to his abrasive nature youve got to admit that without him, there would be no linux, no GNU and a lot of us would be out of a job.
So, when M$ mandates that all mother board manufacturers uses a bios like that on the Xbox, or their OS wont run on the box, who will they listen to ?? A load of linux "loonies" of a multi billion dollar corp ??
Yes we have hacked Xbox to run linux, but its been patched and the linux hacks are getting harder and harder.
Now under DMCA if you bypass a copy protection you are almost a terrorist. How many of our employers are going to run linux, if its illegal to bypass the bios to install it?
Re:open bios (Score:3, Interesting)
You're probably trolling, but what do I care :-)
Stallman doesn't do this for his own interests, as far as I understand the word anyway (I'm not a native english speaker, so my understanding is limited.) He believes that for many reasons it is better for people to have the source of the programs they use. Even more, they should be allowed to change it, recompile it and redistribute it.
If it was only about his own interes
x86 Bios problem? (Score:2)
Re:x86 Bios problem? (Score:4, Informative)
Good to know (Score:2)
OSS? (Score:2)
OSS-based BIOS. He'll be wanting a Free Software BIOS. They are
not the same thing.
Stallman + Anything = Wants it to be "free/open" (Score:2, Interesting)
Note I personally prefer the modified BSD license and think GNU is trying to m
Open Firmware (Score:2)
Re:Open Firmware (Score:3, Informative)
There is even an open source implementation of Open Firmware [openfirmware.org] in the form of OpenBIOS [openbios.org].
There is also a commercial implementation of Open Firmware from FirmWorks [firmworks.com].
I should note that that IBM RS/6000 machines also use Open Firmware.
Asking the same old questions (Score:2)
You clearly point out in many interviews and articles you write that you don't associate free software with the open source movement. Why is that?
Why do Interviewers keep asking him the same stupid questions over and over? Those questions are answered by every other interview hes ever done and his speeches [gnu.org]. (he has a new one up, btw.)
I wish that sometimes they would target the interviews for people already familiar with Free Software. Most slashdotters know the relationship between G
I Like This. (Score:3, Interesting)
In short: Anyone in the post 9-11 world who trusts the government or big business to look out for the rights or privacy of the individual needs to stop watching the Fox Propaganda Network and see what's happening that Rupert Murdoch DOESN'T want you to know about.
Open BIOS is probably a NECESSITY. (Score:3, Interesting)
But weren't there people trying to DRM the world through the BIOS? "Trusted Computing" and all that? The only way it can be trusted is if the source can be independently audited. Seeing companies scrambling to protect themselves from their customers only gives credence to the notion that corporate power is really getting out of hand.
But of course Stallman, like an idiot, still insists that people adapt to HIS vocabulary. He begins the interview with paragraphs of definitions. It's his lone insistence on cumbersome terminology that makes me completely fed up with listening to him--and I'm usually on his side! How sad is that? Imagine how a proprietary mind would react!
The biggest obstacle for the acceptance of Free Software is still Richard Stallman. For Pete's sake, man, ATTEMPT to understand *other people*.
This is why we need a Linux (Score:3, Interesting)
Call it the Open Station, or some other thing.
The way I see it, corporations are rapidly gaining more rights than we, as individuals, are. In order to realistically put our hat in the ring, we need a corporation that works to do our bidding. Better to start building one now than later.
There is another side benefit here as well in that some of the benefit Apple brings to the table could also happen in Linux land. Control over the hardware, or at the least, solid known minimum specifications would allow developers to target the known environment, making support and the user experience more cohesive than it is now.
Expensive to start? Sure, but necessary IMHO.
Personally, I would support this effort. Say a nice machine hits the $300 - $600 mark w/o monitor. That price point would put it in reach of a lot of folks.
We can make our voice heard in a more powerful way while bringing some credence to the whole OSS movement in a new way.
I know Linux and the BSDs run on almost anything. That's a good thing; however, I believe if people see Linux computers as a choice, their perception of Linux might change for the better. The whole thing would become a little less leach like. (I don't believe this, but I have heard others lean this way from time to time.)
Something to think about anyway...
OSS needs to go a lot further than that... (Score:3, Interesting)
The BIOS is just one area-- a critical feature we should all demend in consumer electronics gadgets (by voting with our dollars) is flashable firmware and documented architectures so OSS alternatives can be utilized to customize the hardwares capabilities. An inadvertent example is the Archos Jukebox MP3 player/recorders [rockbox.haxx.se]. We should see such capabilities in consumer devices as critical features that will allow us to fully utilize the hardware as we desire. Does the iPod provide for OSS firmware? No? Then buy an Archos or equivalent instead. Such a feature should be ADVERTISED as a competitive feature and appear on the spec sheets. The potential advantages are enormous-- what it represents, in effect, is Open Source hardware that can be utilized in ways unforseen to the manufacturers.
Unfortunately, many manufacturers do NOT desire such features, as it tends to counteract planned or even natural obsolescence. However, if we only buy gear that is self-extensible through open source, they can be forced to provide the feature if they are losing out to competitors who aren't afraid to offer it.
Xbox BIOS (Score:3, Interesting)
So yeah, there are Free BIOSes, there is a MS BIOS that enforces a signed code restriction, and there has been a need to bypass that restriction.
Don't blame the PC manufacturers (Score:3, Insightful)
Ultimately, to make an open BIOS, the most important piece of cooperation you need is from the chipset manufacturers, but ultimately, you need cooperation from every single one of the manufacturers of every piece of silicon on the board.
Of course, once you've flashed a different BIOS onto the board, don't expect to get any support from the board manufacturer- they try to stand behind their product, but that's hard enough for configurations they have been able to test.
It's not "OSS", it's free software. (Score:3, Interesting)
The story submitter wrote:
I can guarantee you that interpretation is incorrect. RMS doesn't advocate for "OSS" (open source software) [gnu.org] or anything else to do with the open source movement. He is the founder of the free software movement and the GNU Project which aims to spread software freedom, something the open source movement does not discuss.
Given the following passage from the interview:
I'm guessing that the submitter failed to read the interview. But that wouldn't be the first time.
LinuxBIOS project (Score:3, Interesting)
I highly recommend checking out the project history and overview of architectural and design decisions they've made. Fascinating stuff. (Check the "papers" link on the left side, IIRC.)
Here's a snippet from the project homepage to whet your appetites:
Re:Bah (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Bah (Score:2)
Re:Bah (Score:2)
Re:Bah (Score:2)
Over my dead body.
"DRM might be required by law" Over my dead body. (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm working mostly against software patents in the EU, but Trusted Computing is going to be a BIG problem. If you know what to do, maybe I could help, or I could encourage others to help.
What are you doing to stop it becoming required by law?
Re:Bah (Score:2)
Do you mean that all content would have to be encrypted? That's absurd, so that can't be what to you mean.
Do you mean that manufacturers would be required to implement DRM? But so what? Just because it's there, doesn't mean you are forced to use it.
Do you mean that manufacturers would be required to implement a compulsory form of DRM that stopped unsigned OSs from booting? That's also absurd. The big corporate interests behind Linux woul
Re:Bah (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Bah (Score:3, Interesting)
But the real advantage of trusted computing is to make it so that you can boot a machine and be certain that it is not running any type of trojan or malware.
</quote>
Microsoft said the same thing about signed activex controls in their browser, and look where that got us?
Re:Bah (Score:3, Interesting)
Actually, it just means that when you get a DRM-Enabled virus or trojan, your anti-virus scanner can't detect it, because the memory is "protected". This _is_ one of the design goals, because if any program is able to read the memory of another, encryption keys can be extracted.
Hardware DRM will hurt the problem, not help it.
Re:Bah (Score:3, Informative)
Unlikely, beside, the large number of people who used Napster, and still use P2P to download copyright material, clearly demonstrates that mere legislation is not the same as effective enforcement.
and Linus stated in an interview that he didn't oppose to DRM in Linux, so you might HAVE to accept it
Unless you (or someone else) take advantage of the rights afforded by the GPL to take the Linux source code and remove any DRM code from it, whatever Linus thinks about it. That
Re:Bah (Score:3, Informative)
The entire point of Trusted Computing is that if you do that then you cannot read any of the encrypted files in the first place. You cannot install any of the new software. You cannot access the new websites. And with Cisco's Network Admission Control routers you can even be denied internet access.
All of the new files and communications are encrypted. If you
Re:Bah (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Bah (Score:3, Informative)
Most BIOSes have option settings to select between fast and good tests, and to speedup the process.
The Dell systems at work are well underway booting the OS before the CRT has even warmed up.
I think the boot time advantage is not worth the trouble.
Re:Bah (Score:3, Insightful)
Maybe boot time alone does not fully justify a free opensource BIOS alternative, but what about boot time combined with better hardwarecontrol (ie allowing the user to tweak performance?), and the option of "hotbooting" bypassing the entire BIOS and letting the OS run the show. This is a very interesting area and I hope development are allowed to happen
Re:Boot time (Score:2)
parent poster wrote
It's not about the boot time.
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LinuxBIOS (Score:5, Interesting)
AMD has seen the light and has become the most forthcoming of all chipset vendors, so Athlon and Opteron motherboards tend to be very well supported. (VIA, by contrast, is still a problem). Tyan has a full-time LinuxBIOS engineer, and several system vendors, among Linuxnetworx, ship machines with LinuxBIOS installed.
They have solved the VGA init problem by importing an 8086 emulator that (strangely) runs faster than the hardware version in P4 and Athlon. For x86 they have a funny compiler called romcc that uses registers as main memory, for use before the memory controller has been initialized. (Opteron doesn't need it because ~450 bytes of the cache works as RAM immediately after power-up.) What the project needs most now is some institutional support, so they can run regression tests on all the hardware they support.
The project is far from dead: they are fixing to release major version 2. When will it be ready? Sooner if you help.
Re:Bah (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Bah (Score:2, Insightful)
That can be said about anything. Open Source BIOS would allow people interested in doing so to decide on their own BIOS settings such as chipset speeds etc. The main people against this are the chip manufacturers who make loads of chips that actually function at a higher speed than they are labeled. Its simply a cheaper way to manufacture them. Once I buy it, however, it's mine (like software). And if I would like to configure it the way I want to do so, then that's my cho
Re:Bah (Score:2)
Re:Bah (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, the current system works just fine, but the fact is that the current system is not going to be with us much longer. It looks like tomorrows system is going to be what sinister groups like Microsoft make it. One that only lets 'signed' code run. Looked at an Xbox lately?
It is this that I believe Stallman is trying to prevent.
Re:Bah (Score:2)
However, I doubt that Microsoft or a trusted computing alliance will get away with changing the PC BIOS overnight so that only Microsoft operating systems can boot on every generic PC. By now, Linux has got enough momentum and is too wellkn
Re:Bah (Score:2)
Or at least force it underground.
Re:Bah (Score:2)
Re:Bah (Score:3, Insightful)
It would keep "Trusted Computing" initiatives from locking out Linux and other Free/OSS.
More importantly, what good will it do for the motherboard companies?
Today? Nothing. If the day comes that "Trusted Computing" becomes the norm, it would allow any motherboard vendor who had such an option to continue to sell products to linux users.
LK
Re:Bah (Score:2)
Re:Bah (Score:2, Insightful)
TC will not stop an OS from running. It is used by the OS to verify that every layer of control is untampered with, from BIOS to OS to application. This verification also extends to remote parties.
Where this becomes dangerous is when enough machines are TC capable. Imagine its 2011 you try to connect to your bank with Firebird/Linux and the bank refuses to allow you to access your account because your platform may not be "trustworthy". No amount of emulation w
Re:Bah (Score:3, Interesting)
For one thing it may lower costs for some, others who just pirate the firmware could just be legit. I don't know what the current fee is for an Award/AMI/Phoenix bios but it's gotta be a good percent of the retail cost of a motherboard.
From an end user perspective it may be easier to add features that are absent, or update EOL boards. One thing that come to mind from ages past was NCR/Symbios boot support. Present in some, absent in others. How many
Re:Bah (Score:5, Insightful)
I wonder how this could be moderated insightful. The proprietary nature of BIOSes severely cripple the usefulness of PCs today and destroys their long-term value because support of modern modern hardware features doesn't get backported to BIOSes of older PCs. Some examples:
A generic, free BIOS/firmware could thus (a) bring BIOSes to new, desirable levels of functionality [see above], make (b) BIOS user interfaces consistent across heterogenous computers, and (c) finally allow consumers to choose motherboards based on hardware quality only.
Re:Bah (Score:2, Interesting)
I realize RMS has good intentions but I don't see any point to this. It's a BIOS. What good would making it GNU/BIOS do? More importantly, what good will it do for the motherboard companies? The current system works fine, they will need incentive to switch over to something new.
If you don't have control, you'll have to hack proprietary. It might lead to a high court ruling that modding is illegal [slashdot.org] but this time for your PC.
With all the DRM-lock hype, will we take a "general purpose computer" for granted
Re:Bah (Score:2)
I am sure that powerful corporations [microsoft.com] will take advantage of "closed" BIOS and/or make deals with motherboard manufacturers sooner or later, implement software activation and DRM to work with proprietary BIOS so that your computer is always "secure", keeping you/your computer from hacker's attacks or potential law suits from RIAA and MPAA and BSA [bsa.org] by protecting you from pirated music, video and software.
Day by day, the world is getting better and safer a place for
Re:Bah (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Bah (Score:2)
Re:Bah (Score:2)
As much as istewart starts his post with a mention of money, there is nothing in "Freely available and alterable" that has anything to do with money - that phrase is all about freedom.
Re:Bah (Score:2)
Yes (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Linux BIOS (Score:2)
Treacherous Computing (Score:3, Informative)
And what on earth is the problem with existing BIOS's?
Their makers are involved in Treacherous Computing Group [trustedcom...ggroup.org], whose specification relies on keeping information secret from the owner [gnu.org] of a piece of computer hardware in order to be able to sell you a computer capable of doing less.
Re:Treacherous Computing (Score:2, Insightful)
Whilst BIOS manufacturers could restrict what operating systems can run on their hardware I don't see why they would. They could do it tomorrow if they wished but I don't see that happening. I fail to see why Trusted Computing would bring this about. Booting into a different operating system would simply cause the TCM to restrict your access to any encrypted data, which (assu
Re:BIOS bugs (Score:2)
The "treacherous computing" essay is irrelevant to most people, much like most of RMS's ramblings.
If I'm not mistaken (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:If I'm not mistaken (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Benevolent dictators (Score:3, Insightful)