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Google Summer of Code Project Breakdown 117

Posted by timothy from the two-meanings-of-breakdown-get-it dept.
behdad writes "Google's Summer of Code final per-organization project breakdown is out. The Apache Software Foundation is on the top of the list with 38 projects allocated out of total 410 slots, followed by KDE, FreeBSD, and 38 other mentoring organizations. The accepted applications will be posted early next week. More than 8700 applications have been submitted. Thanks Greg Stein and Chris DiBona for the hard work."
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  • "Breakdown" (Score:3, Funny)

    by Guanix ( 16477 ) * on Saturday June 25, 2005 @05:01PM (#12910794) Homepage
    Did anyone else think that the project had broken down?
    • i certainly did
    • Yep. Sure did, but don't worry, that /. story has a couple more weeks to brew before it can really be posted. You know, the Summer of George broke down pretty quickly, so how long can the Summer of Code last?

    • Re:"Breakdown" (Score:3, Insightful)

      by michalf ( 849657 )
      of course. about 5500 people that were rejected ;-)
      it was a sort of lottery. imho if you had an independent project not following the ideas posted earlier by the mentoring organizations - your chances were low - judgin on some discussions after acceptance/rejection of proposals.

      mine got rejected ;-)

      michal
      • of course. about 5500 people that were rejected ;-) it was a sort of lottery. imho if you had an independent project not following the ideas posted earlier by the mentoring organizations - your chances were low - judgin on some discussions after acceptance/rejection of proposals. mine got rejected ;-)

        That was obvious from the first paragraph. In general, following the recommendations for any application process is a good idea. You'll find this theme repeated pretty much everywhere. Reviewers are looki

      • Dear Michal (Score:5, Funny)

        by TimeTraveler1884 ( 832874 ) on Saturday June 25, 2005 @05:33PM (#12910932)
        mine got rejected ;-)

        Dear Michal,

        Yeah, sorry about that. Unfortunately your particular proposal did not align with my goals for total world domination. Your submission "The Free Simulator for Coconut-Swallow Aerodynamics" while interesting, would not have been useful as I have already researched this topic throughly and concluded ducks are the optimal fowl for coconut transport.

        Sincerly,
        Google Inc.
    • Yeah, for a second I thought maybe the rejection letter I got today was a mistake.

      Oh well.
    • Being an mentoring organization, LispNYC has received a lot of feedback regarding the summer of code.

      Because of the overwhelming popularity and financial support of Google's Summer of Code, LispNYC is proud to announce it's continued dedication to same great idea: Summer of Lisp.

      The reality is that although many of our projects are worthy endeavors, not all will get funding from Google, which is why our mentors are willing to work unfunded with students who are willing to learn Lisp. So if you're serio

    • Does anyone know if Google plans to open source Google File System? That is the one thing I would love to see. I have looked at PVFS and Lustre, but want the redundancy of GFS.
      • Does anyone know if Google plans to open source Google File System?

        Considering the competitive advantage it gives them? Not bloody likely. Besides, it's very much a system that's keyed to Google's usage patterns. Most regular businesses and users would see little to no benefit in Google's system. If you really think it's useful for your line of business, then read the paper [google.com] (html [64.233.161.104]) and implement a version more specific to your needs. Good luck!
      • Depends if you work for yahoo or altavista

  • psf? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by 3770 ( 560838 ) on Saturday June 25, 2005 @05:06PM (#12910820) Homepage
    Excuse an ignorant Swede, but what the heck is psf, number 4 on the list?

  • 13 google (Score:2, Interesting)

    by cryptoz ( 878581 )
    Google? Google will have open source code? Is this a first, or am I just nuts? Has anyone else heard that THEY were to be developing open source code, too? I mean, yeah, it's obvious they want to tap into its power with the whole Summer of Code thing, but I didn't realize they were actually going to have code developed for themselves as well...

  • So... (Score:5, Funny)

    by JamesTRexx ( 675890 ) on Saturday June 25, 2005 @05:28PM (#12910912) Journal
    FreeBSD in third place. So who is dead now? :-P

  • go KDE go...! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bogaboga ( 793279 ) on Saturday June 25, 2005 @05:32PM (#12910931)
    I am glad KDE is way up there. I am sure no slashdotter can say KDE is doing badly at all. GNOME too, did not do that bad either. We surely have resources in the OSS world.
    • GNOME got more than KDE anyway - 27 to 24 - if you count gaim too, being a fullblood GNOME application. KDE's similar application, Kopete, had projects in the KDE pool.
      • Well, gaim works in Windows, XFce and many other enviroments while Kopete doesn't. That could've made a difference.

      • Re:go KDE go...! (Score:3, Informative)

        by pherthyl ( 445706 )
        No. Gaim is an application that happens to run on Gnome as well as several other platforms/environments. Notice how there is no mention of Gnome on the gaim website.

        Kopete on the other hand is an IM client specifically for KDE (although it can be used on Gnome too). It is tightly integrated with the KDE framework and other KDE applications.
      • Is really Gaim a Gnome application? I can't see it mentioned here:

        http://gaim.sourceforge.net/about.php [sourceforge.net]

        Why is that every GTK+ app is always counted as a Gnome app? It's an honest question :-)

    • Re:go KDE go...! (Score:3, Interesting)

      by imr ( 106517 )
      KDE: 24
      Gnome = 12 gnome + 15 gaim + 14 ubuntu + 13 fedoracore + 16 mono = 70 Gnome.

      • Re:go KDE go...! (Score:2, Interesting)

        by thinkfat ( 789883 )

        Well, I think your equation is only remotely correct.

        • GAIM: not exactly a GNOME application. It just happens to use GTK+ and glib
        • mono: from what I learned from guadec, the GNOME community seems to be quite divided regarding mono
        • ubuntu, fedoracore: lets first see if those bounties are connected to GNOME exclusively. Of course one can argue that FC and ubuntu are primarily GNOME, but you can have KDE with FC and there's kubuntu, too, so every improvement there can also be a win for KDE

        But it doesn't re

        • From my trolling point of view, my equation is pure genius, but from any other point of view and especially good sense and good taste, it's pure crap.
          But hey, i got moderated as interresting!! So i was probably right!
  • I think Apache is on first place because they are the only one with java projects.
    But why is gnome so behind KDE?
    Does someone have an explanation?

    • Re:gnome? (Score:2, Insightful)

      by ziggamon2.0 ( 796017 )
      Actually, GNOME didn't do so bad at all:

      GNOME: 12

      GNOME/GTK-based applications:
      Gaim: 15
      Inkscape: 4

      Total: 31

      To this figure: add Ubuntu and Fedora, two GNOME-oriented distros, and I bet some of their combined 27 Coders will do something that's GNOME-related in some way.

      And Apache is on the first place because it makes improvements to Apache are improvements to the web, and the web is what gives Google money. That alone is reason enough to sponsor Apache.

      • Re:gnome? (Score:2, Insightful)

        by gstein ( 2577 ) *
        The counts were not based on the organizations' utility to Google. Most of it is based on popularity, on the capacity of the org, and some feedback from the orgs.

        The ASF ended up with the most because it was the second-most popular, and because they have a LOT of people available for mentoring.

        GAIM had the most applications, but were unable to mentor all that many.

      • Re:gnome? (Score:2, Informative)

        by thinkfat ( 789883 )

        Well, Gaim is not so much of a GNOME application, it's just using GTK+ as a widget toolkit and glib for convenience. Otherwise, no GNOME technologies are used. On the same grounds you could argue that "scribus" is a KDE application because it happens to use Qt.

        The documentation tells that it "integrates well with GNOME 2 and KDE 3.1 system tray". So one could argue that it's a KDE application as well :-)

    • Re:gnome? (Score:1, Insightful)

      by newsblaze ( 894675 ) *
      My guess is that there were more - and more interesting project suggestions for KDE than Gnome. I doubt that Apache's high number has anything to do with Google's use of apache. It will be related to innovation and usefulness. If you look at the lists of suggested projects, ASF probably has the biggest number. Apache projects also have the capability to be useful to more people.
      • Actually, iirc GNOME actually got significantly more proposals than KDE did. However, note that Gaim was seperate, and got 15 itself, which combined with GNOME's 12 is more than KDE got.

    • But why is gnome so behind KDE? Does someone have an explanation?

      The number of students per project is more or less proportional to the number of applications a specific project received. Some projects received a lot more applications than others. The only exception is google itself. They have received a lot more applications than the number of their students indicates. I guess they wanted to give (other) F/OSS projects priority.
      So, to answer your question. Either KDE is a lot more popular than GNOME am

    • Re:gnome? (Score:3, Interesting)

      by grilo ( 694373 )

      Because KDE suffers from featuritis?

      Because KDE has a better infrastructure for further development?

      Because KDE developers are more fanatic about the project?

      I can surely say that at least one GNOME developer submited a proposal for a desktop agnostic enhacement (if you're really interested, you might want to check this [blogspot.com]).

      Seriously, the possibilities are too broad to make a correct statement. But I can point some of the possible reasons:

      • People think GNOME is pretty much feature complete, regarding h

      • I think the most accurate, though, is that KDE simply has a larger user base that have programming skills. I guess we can't be too far from reality if we establish a relationship between that (attracted people with programming skills) and the proposals present in this "contest".

        I'm even tempted to speculate that GNOME (as a Desktop Environment, but certainly not as a development platform) is much more successful than KDE. Even if KDE's userbase is larger, it just means that people that use GNOME are much

    • I found that the Gnome experience varies by distro. I used Gnome under Gentoo and found it to be a mess, so I switched to KDE. Now I switched to Ubuntu and use Gnome. I had to tell it to use Nautilus instead of the spatial file system, but once that was done I found it purty and reliable and I can use it to get work done.

      And Gnome is definitely not a mess on Ubuntu. Far from it.

      • Re:gnome? (Score:3, Insightful)

        by pantherace ( 165052 )
        The reason for this is not Gnome being up to snuff, but that distros will customize Gnome. Gentoo relies on what the project itself provides, and Gnome doesn't provide things very well out of the box. Thus Gnome on Gentoo requires a lot of user-tweaking. KDE provides a much more higher baseline, thus, distros don't need to do as much customization. (Additionally, while Gnome seems to require tailoring, Red Hat's (relatively minor, once actually looked at) changes to KDE created a large outcry.)

        So, basical

        • Good god, rational and reasoned debate about the merits of Gnome and KDE, on Slashdot! I neve thought I'd see the day!
    • Apache is an umbrella organization for like a zillion projects. The http server for example. It's not surprising, therefore, that they are largely represented. We'll see the breakdown of apache projects eventually, but I too had noticed that asf and codehaus are the only two Java projects. I think this is more a matter of Java groups not applying on time than any bias for/against them.

    • Re:gnome? (Score:1, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      In this thread, I think that panterace has come closest to what I believe is the actual answer. Without reading the project breakdown, my initial impression is that it is a case of integration.

      KDE seems to take a more integrated approach to getting applications under the KDE umbrella with Kthis, Kthat, etc. all of which fall under the "KDE Project" banner.

      Gnome on the otherhand, while it may have Gthis and Gthat applications, for better or worse, it does not have the same push to put every little applicati

      • Gnome (not surprisingly) seems to take the Gnu philosophy of "here are some tools, do something with them."
        This is untrue.
        If it had been true, there would have been a functionnal "file selector" in Gnome for years as it is a fundamental tool of any desktop and UI based app.
        Instead, it was usable only with the keyboard, defeating its GUI nature.
        Then, as a more mature "file selector" was done, it was then impossible to use it with the keyboard without advanced configurations (which the gnome projects claims
  • Yay! 10 project accepted for Blender! (*claps my little sweaty hands*)

    ...and NO... This is NOT an opensource kitchen appliance!
  • My proposal got rejected (I'm not too surprised). The only thing that makes me a bid upset is that it seems all the projects are going to bsd and linux. At least some people should have been allowed to work on mac and windows projects. If you aren't a linux or bsd developer than you would have been looking for java projects, which there wern't many of either.
    • I've been using a lot of (ported) GPL Windows software lately (Apache2, MySQL, Gaim, so forth) and depend on it greatly. I've been starting to use Cygwin more because I've noticed it has matured a great deal - but more work is always needed.

      Can we get Cygwin in on this?

      It sure would be nice to have more GNU tools for Windows.

    • I am not from Google, but my project was accepted for the Summer of Code. My project has nothing to do with BSD or GNU/Linux. It involves a homogenizing the various interfaces for all of the semantic web frameworks around like Jena, Sesame, Redland, and others. Sort of like SAX or DOM for RDF.

      Don't be sad that your project wasn't accepted. (What was it tho?) There are lots of opportunities for open source developers. Some alternatives were posted in summer-discuss [google.com].

      Thank you very much Google and Seme

  • I am accepted and I am too geeky to celebrate that as it should have been celebrated. Doh!

  • For all you rejects (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    You can check out the list of rejected ideas, or add your own here:

    http://summerofrejects.pbwiki.com/index.php?wiki=R ejectedIdeas [pbwiki.com]

    and besides that, we have a irc support / collabration channel on :

    irc://irc.freenode.net/google-rejects

    check out the wiki as well:
    http://summerofrejects.pbwiki.com/ [pbwiki.com]

    the point here is to help those who got rejected work on their projects together.
  • well here in the southern hemisphere it is. :-P

    seriously way to go google this is a good(TM) thing to do.

  • Ok, so I'm going to develop free software this summer and get $4500 for it. That seems like a good idea (and getting paid to create open source is unusual, but should be the norm).

    But.. When Google sees all these cool ideas, grabs a few, rewrites them from scratch, and their market value goes up by several million -- i'm going to feel a bit differently about that $4500 i'm holding. Hey, if I knew it was _that_ valuable... As far as I remember it is the expressed work, the code, that is copyright (yes, in
    • Uh, why would Google rewrite an HFS+ implentation on NetBSD from scratch? And why would that increase it's market value?

      You're paranoid, no doubt about it. A bit delusional as well. The BSD projects they are sponsoring don't need to be rewritten, but why would any of them be of use to Google for making money? I cannot see how most of them would.

      Let's run down NetBSD's Summer of Code projects [sourceforge.net], shall we?

      tmpffs' idea is a more efficient way to do memfs, or at least it is in theory; fewer copies, di

    • Well, the thing is that an "idea" isn't worth anything by itself; its application in the market is. The internal combustion engine didn't make Ford wealthy; Ford Motor Company did. Ideas are cheap; there are tons of them. Execution on ideas is the important thing.

      You might have a great idea, which you you don't have the time or resources to develop. Unless something changes, it's worth $0 to you and the world doesn't benefit from it because it is never implemented.

      Google pays you $4500 to compensate you a
    • Welcome to the world of IP rights. Nice idea until somone steals it. Its never the person thats has the idea who reaps the rewards but the person to write it down and had £30,000 to spare.

      But please dont give google a hard time as they haven't done anything wrong yet. But they have done somthing Fantastically right. Open source needs a very loud voice... Google is louder than that. And frankly i dont mind them making money off a competition like this of it means at the end of it we will have a cata
  • It's really surprising and impressive that drupal has so many projects in the list. Kudos to the folks who are working on it, they obviously have their stuff together.

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