Oracle To Offer A Free Database 370
An anonymous reader writes "ZDNet News reports that Oracle is likely to announce a free version of its Oracle 10g Database. Oracle Database 10g Express Edition will be free for development and production use, and could even be distributed with other products. What does this mean for the future of MySQL and PostgreSQL?" From the article: "By introducing a free entry-level product, Oracle intends to get more developers and students familiar with its namesake database, Mendelsohn said. Those customers, Oracle hopes, will eventually upgrade to a higher-end version."
what a wimpy database (Score:5, Informative)
Nice (Score:2, Informative)
Oracle requires lots of attention to work. (O course if nobody touces it will work for ages) Any misuse may halt entire db.
Anyhow, I'm not sure that kind of movements stops even slows MySql and PostgreSQL.
And this kind of movements shows us FEAR...
Even DB giant Oracle was fear from MySql and Posgre SQL
Well done boys well done...
I hate Oracle with a passion (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Move along, move along ... (Score:5, Informative)
I once received 10g for linux, and the box had every latest release of Oracle software for Linux. They're quite developer-friendly; just as MS is. For production use however..
Re:what a wimpy database (Score:5, Informative)
Re:what a wimpy database (Score:3, Informative)
I don't see it as competition to opensource offerings, because a) it's not opensource and b) it's extremely limited. It's main use is to install it on a developer machine to make sure they don't mess with the real database.
And anyone considering this for embedded should probably go for sqlite [sqlite.org] instead.
Re:Move along, move along ... (Score:2, Informative)
If you do in house programming, you are still suppose to buy licenses for Development.
Re:what a wimpy database (Score:5, Informative)
PL/pgSQL bears a resemblance to PL/SQL, and both languages are servicable enough. Oracle cooks in its own JVM. While Java is an undeniably powerful tool, one feels relatively enslaved to the JVM, compared to the bliss of simple, clear Python code.
Re:what a wimpy database (Score:5, Informative)
Still has restrictions (Score:5, Informative)
Obviously this is just a ploy to get developers to write apps on Oracle then, when the application has gotten fat, they will have to pay the fees for a version of Oracle that can support the app or rewrite the whole thing.
I think that only good reason to obtain 10g is to learn Oracle. If I was working at a company that was moving to Oracle, or at least talking about it, I would DL this to learn it for improved job opportunities.
Just my $.02.
Re:what a wimpy database (Score:5, Informative)
PG probably has the best language support of all DBs. Is there any major language that doesn't have a PG interface in 8.1?
Question (Score:3, Informative)
In my opinion Oracle is one of the least trustworthy software vendors and I sure as hell wouldn't bank my company on them, regardless of the price they ask.
Re:MS has always offered free SQL Server (Score:3, Informative)
I haven't yet had a chance to play around with SQL Server 2005, but I understand that the entire
Re:Oracle Licensing (Score:5, Informative)
There's also standard edition one, which is cheaper than either and supports some of the advanced features of both. It's designed to compete with some of the SQL server shops that have HA requirements but aren't willing to pay for oracle enterprise edition.
Of course, all of these prices are list, and for good negotiators, discounts upwards of 50% off list are not uncommon.
Thanks,
Matt
Re:what a wimpy database (Score:5, Informative)
Re:They must own stock in Maxtor (Score:1, Informative)
Oracle is already free .... (Score:2, Informative)
What features do you need? (Score:3, Informative)
May I ask, what features do you need that aren't in SQLite [sqlite.org] or PostgreSQL [postgresql.org]?
Another question: I wonder if the free version of Oracle will work with Compiere ERP + CRM [sourceforge.net], at least for testing?
Here is a Comparison of Oracle, MySQL and PostgreSQL DBMS [fnal.gov].
ZDNet article: Oracle to offer free database [zdnet.com].
I was not able to find the list of limitations on the Oracle web site. Anyone?
Re:What features do you need? (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/databas
Re:First Post (Score:0, Informative)
PHP and Oracle (Score:4, Informative)
Exactly. I'm an amature PHP coder, which means I cut my teeth on PHP and MySQL. Last year, however, I was forced into a position where I needed to working with an Oracle database. I spent a couple of hours reading up on OCI8 and after a quick recompile of PHP, I was working with the Oracle database through PHP.
After getting the basic framework of the PHP application together, my reaction was, "Wow, so this is what they mean when they say *real* database." I had very little difficulties working with the new database, and very quickly began to appreciate the extra features Oracle had to offer. After about a week of working with Oracle, I found it quite hard to fall back into the old PHP+MySQL routine (although the mysqli extension has made this easier).
So I would say the average PHP light coder should have no problems transitioning to an Oracle database. I sure didn't.
Re:It Could Backfire (Score:2, Informative)
> provide answers while the information is there.
here's a list of major screw-ups:
1. objects are stored as binaries instead of separate columns
2. data is organized in massive and simple key-value pair columns rather than as separate and dedicated columsn
3. data is kept as strings that must be parsed with application code instead of with sql
lesser screw-ups would include:
4. overly normalized model
5. missing data
6. lack of versioning or history
7. data versioning inconsistently applied
8. data quality inconsistent due to all validation being performed at application layer
9. etc
Many of these issues don't prevent users from getting their data back out the application that wrote it. The problem is that when they have a simple question like, well, how many transactions per day have we been getting for the past year, and is the rate increasing? That there's no way to answer that question through SQL, but more expensive application logic has to be built. Then you next discover that the application that may have performed fine for simple transactions *completely dies* when you try to have it scan a year's worth of data.
The root cause of all this is that many people are still building applications like it was 1985 - and just being able to CRUD a few objects is good enough. Well, it isn't. People generally expect to be able to get insights about a business process in addition to simply creating operational transactions within it. And if you don't know that up front, and then design the database in accordance with the latest fads in J2EE, etc then you *will* suffer once that application starts getting used.