Beware of "Backspaceware" 257
SubLevel writes "Since conception in 2004, Paint.NET has been generously been offering the software community the taste of successful freeware, by allowing anyone to download and decipher the entire working of their extremely popular photo editing program. As posted in the Official Paint.NET blog by Rick Brewster, "Backspaceware" as he has so coined has become a tremendous issue. "Paint.NET's license is very generous, and I even release the source code. All free of charge. Unfortunately it gets taken advantage of every once in awhile by scum who are trying to profit from the work of others. I like to call this backspaceware*. They download the source code for something, load it up in to Visual Studio (or whatever), hit the backspace key over the software's name and credits, type in a new name and author, and re-release it. They send it to all the download mirror sites, and don't always do a good job covering up their tracks.""
Let me introduce you (Score:5, Insightful)
Operation as normal (Score:1, Insightful)
When there is profit involved, that is going to happen. If you can be scammed expect to be scammed. You just have to hope that users are informed and intelligent enough to realize who was really responsible for the software. Welcome to capitalism. If one can get away with it, one can make as much money as they want
It's copyright infringement (Score:5, Insightful)
The majority of copyright licenses used for popular free software applications require people who redistribute the software to preserve the original author's copyright notice. Failure to do so is plagiarism, and the license treats plagiarism as copyright infringement.
Closing the source? (Score:5, Insightful)
His "solution" to this seems to be to close the source for parts of the program, which is a major overreaction to this joker.
I don't think he should be worried - as long as his (the "genuine") program appears higher up in Google for the name and the important search terms, people will ignore the plagiarist.
Rich.
Re:It's copyright infringement (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Operation as normal (Score:5, Insightful)
That isn't a feature of capitalism, it's a feature of human nature. Yes, it does mean you can't blindly trust a capitalist system from sorting everything out, but it is the very same principles which causes communist countries to go corrupt, and it is also why extreme liberalism will be taken advantage of by those who have the power/influence/money whatever to game the system.
Corruption isn't a matter of how governance is organised or how you set prices in your economy, it is a matter of transparency, openness and people being held responsible for their actions. If that does not apply it matters fuck all what economic system you use, you will just get different people screwing you over.
Now before people start suggesting direct democracy or some far-fetched ideal about having every company democratically controlled by the workers, you need to take into consideration that for democracy to work you need a transparent electoral system you can trust. Thus it still boils down to government transparency and people being slapped when they break the rules. There is no way around that.
WTF? (Score:1, Insightful)
What an asshole!
Re:So, whats the big deal? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It's copyright infringement (Score:5, Insightful)
Fortunately, for most people, money is not everything, nor even that important. A big reason for working on free software is simply to get your name out there. To be recognized. This is exactly what the person robs you of, doing this.
Perception of copyright (Score:4, Insightful)
But there's something new contributing to this perception, which is the general disdain for copyrights these days. It's the record companies' fault, of course, for withholding sales of digital audio during the entire dot-com boom. Now they're struggling to sell singles for a fourth the price they were selling for 25 years ago, adjusting for inflation.
People think they have an entitlement to commercial music, and they think catching a glimpse of the source code gives them full rights.
Re:Statutory damages (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Perception of copyright (Score:4, Insightful)
It is orders of magnitude easier to reverse-engineer source code in a high-level language than it is to reverse-engineer machine code or even assembly code (especially when you have software at your disposal that can obfuscate the compiled machine code). That's why leaaking out source code is much more dangerous from the point of view of the proprietary software company.
Re:Statutory damages (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Statutory damages (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Let me introduce you (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:So, whats the big deal? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Closing the source? (Score:2, Insightful)
Exactly. It's a free program. Why should anyone care? Is this an ego thing?
Re:Let me introduce you to a lie (Score:0, Insightful)
And to provide instruction to ones who will. You see, the GPL does not offer protection. Courts can. If you don't have the 'nads to go to court, you don't get protection.
http://lkml.org/lkml/2000/8/5/75 [lkml.org]
Re:And why do I care? (Score:5, Insightful)
That's fraud: the "backspacer" is lying to every person who downloads the modified software from him (and probably infecting them with spyware too). Many Slashdot participants, like myself, believe that copying and redistribution should be legal with or without the author's permission, but that doesn't mean we approve of fraud. Sharing copies of Star Wars is not the same as telling everyone you're George Lucas.
Re:CentOS = backspaceware? (Score:4, Insightful)
The solutions easy (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually licensing is the way to go. True no license will stop someone stealing it, but it will give you the right to send 'cease and desist' notices to any site hosting the offending code. Its very hard to spread a usurped version of a program if reputable download locations won't host it.
Re:It's copyright infringement (Score:5, Insightful)
Here we go again.
Microsoft did not rip off the BSC TCP/IP stack. They, and every other OS vendor were *expected* (almost required I think) to use it, AND they left the copyright notices in, as required. The idea was that everyone would be on the same page, as it were. OK Microsoft buggered it a bit with their darn silly extensions, but even these did not stop network connections from other OS's from working properly.
Re:Statutory damages (Score:5, Insightful)
1. Various people in this thread cannot see the harm in distributing software without giving credit for it.
2. The Author of the software sees this practice as harmful, whether as a material loss, a potential to lose copyright by not defending it, The principle of the thing or any number of other reasons. The only thing that matters is the author believes he has been harmed by this copyright infringement.
3. These are contradictory viewpoints, and amount to little more than opinion when placed in a vacuum. The rational, logical discussion you think you're looking for is impossible. We are forced to look at how disputes like this have been settled in the past, an appeal to the majority in the form of looking at established laws.
Therefore, the law IS relevant, and is pretty clear cut in this circumstance. Society judges harm has occured.
If you want to make an arguement without considering established law, all you're doing is intellectual masturbation. If you want to make an arguement about how the law should be changed, by all means, make it.
Re:Closing the source? (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah. I think this is an interesting example of how underdeveloped and pathetic the OSS scene on Windows is. It's like going back in a time machine to 1988, when nobody had ever heard of the Gnu Project, nobody had ever heard of copyleft, and "free" software meant a mixture of illegally copied closed-source software and legally downloaded closed-source nagware, tipware, and crippleware. I sympathize with the author of Paint.NET, but he's fighting against a culture where most people have no idea what OSS is, and where all the social mechanisms the Linux/BSD community has developed don't exist. It's as though some British banker showed up in the Trobriand Islands in 1880 and announced that he was going to build a stock exchange. This whole thing would be a nonissue if this was Linux rather than Windows. Paint.NET is apparently a very popular piece of software with an active user community, so if it was Linux software, it would certainly have been packaged for Debian by now. People would be getting the latest version by doing an "apt-get install paint-dot-net." Imagine if someone made a backspaceware version of The Gimp -- obviously it just wouldn't work.
I used to be interested in the idea of spreading the word about OSS by making cross-platform apps available on both Windows and Linux -- the kind of thing that theopencd.org used to do. I had a a GUI app I'd written for my own use on Linux, and while I was at it, I made sure it ran on Windows. On the one hand, it was surprisingly successful. Judging by the emails I was getting, the vast majority of my users were on Windows. On the other hand, it was a huge amount of work to support those Windows users, and I started to question whether I was really accomplishing anything useful. When you write OSS that runs on Linux, you get that warm fuzzy feeling of belonging to a community and building something big and exciting. When you write OSS that runs on Windows, the users are not a community that has the same philosophical goals and is working toward the same ends; the users are people who typically couldn't care less about OSS (that's why they run Windows) but who simply want something for free. I ended up putting a notice on the web site saying that I would no longer provide support for Windows users; the source is still open, and they're welcome to try running it, but if it doesn't work, I don't have any motivation anymore to put in time helping a community that doesn't care about the things I care about. I don't think I'm alone in having this kind of experience. For instance, theopencd.org's site now says they're no longer actively developing the CD, and just has links to ubuntu, etc.
What's sad about the Paint.NET story is that the author seems genuinely pained and bewildered by the situation he's in, and since he doesn't seem to care about free information per se, it's like he doesn't have a compass to guide him. He runs up against this issue, and his reaction is, "oh well, I'll take the software closed-source." That's what the whole Windows OSS scene is like -- a bunch of people wandering around without any common vision of what they're trying to accompish. It's like watching the Israelites wandering around in the desert without Moses.
Re:Let me introduce you (Score:3, Insightful)
Copyright clauses are hardly a license. If he cares so much about plagiarism that he's now crippling the source, maybe community ownership is preferable to controlling a string with his name in it.
Re:It's copyright infringement (Score:3, Insightful)
Technically there's nothing the GPL can or should do about this, for example because Debian had some trouble with the Firefox trademark requirements, they released iceweasel. Iceweasel is in pretty much every form of definition "backspaceware", even though there's nothing malevolent about it. Nor is "backspaceware" really distinguishable from a fork in its infancy. The good guys of course give credit and say "this is baed on..." but the bad guys don't. But trying to make that a formal requirement would probably lead of pages of everything all your software and libraries once upon a time was based on.
Re:Operation as normal (Score:2, Insightful)
The only scam here is the removal the copyright notices, not the profit. The Paint.NET guys gave permission for anyone in the world to make money selling their software. Legally, this is simple copyright infringement. Nothing new here.
Looks like Rick Brewster doesn't understand the MIT license, under which Paint.NET is distributed. Besides it not being "freeware" as stated in TFA, the MIT license allows anyone to sell the software and re-brand it however they want (while preserving copyright notices). I believe there is a name for "scum" who do this: Red Hat.
Re:Statutory damages (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, I would have to say that I disagree here. If we can discuss what justice requires in a situation without using current law then we end up having a very strong argument for change (assuming that what is and what should be differ). Normative arguments don't have to lack force so long as they are sufficiently consistent.
Re:It's copyright infringement (Score:3, Insightful)
FYI they were under no obligation whatsoever to include the copyright notice. They did though. Also, so what if it was in a DLL? Is that important?
I do so tire of people claiming it was ripped off though. As I said, they were supposed to take it, that was the whole idea. It was why BSD was asked toi implement it in the first place, to avoid each vendor having their own implementation and buggering up TCP/IP. Microsoft didn't actually have to, and I believe they were using their own stack to begin with, but as soon as possible they switched.
Re:Closing the source? (Score:2, Insightful)
I think Windows, on top of the occasional technical or other necessity of using it, attracts the sort of people I saw in a Pound Shop today.
In the Pound Shop everything costs £1 exactly. The people I saw were buying branded orange squash in 1 litre bottles. Here's the problem, in any supermarket, or large grocery store those bottles cost less. In you're buying several bottles (as some customers were) you can get 3 for £1.80 in a store just five minutes walk from the Pound Shop. That's a 40% saving.
The Pound Shop's brand positioning is that it's a discount store, everything is cheap, volumes are high, staff knowledge is zero, aisles are narrow, it's intended to give the impression that overheads have been cut to the bone in order to reduce prices. The reality is that only a few products are ever discounted to the point where other stores can't match them. Everything else is actually selected on very simple criteria - it should not have a visible price indication and it should have a retail value of close to but less than £1.
That's what this backspaceware is all about. It's the hunt for people who are so stupid, that if you say "Here's a dollar bill, I usually sell these for $5, but today I'll do a special offer, three for $10" they'd actually buy it.
Re:Closing the source? (Score:3, Insightful)
I think that should be distinguished from someone who actually improves the code and wanting credit. I don't think it really matters what license it is under, or if it is allowed, there is a certain amount of respect for the type of person doing it that should not be displayed. I think that should be differentiated from someone who actually touched the code in some meaningful even if insignificant ways other then removing copyright credits.
Re:Let me introduce you (Score:1, Insightful)
But if you get a good judge, he might just crib parts of his opinion from a well-written opinion by a foreign judge.
Re:Let me introduce you (Score:3, Insightful)
That, my friend, is FUD. Even though it's a tactic generally condemned by the Free Software, RMS and his FSF cronies occasionally drag it out to promote their cause.
Free and Open-Source software is fantastic, although too-liberal licenses can often leave developers with a somewhat bad taste in their mouths for reasons such as this. The Paint.Net source code was released expressly for academic purposes, and it's a shame to see the license being abused in such a manner.
I'd love if some sort of creative commons license for source code could be developed so that developers could easily choose how they would like their software to be used/modified/redistributed. Although a completely free license is "perfect", developers have more than a few reasons not to go the whole way....