Some Developers Leaving Google For Microsoft 685
recoiledsnake writes "We have heard about lots of talented developers jumping ship from Microsoft to Google, but is the trend beginning to turn? Dare Obasanjo (a Microsoft employee) writes about a few high-profile people picking Microsoft over Google — either making the jump directly, or choosing Microsoft after receiving offers at both. Sergey Solyanik is back to Microsoft and he primarily gripes about the culture and lack of career development at Google. He writes, 'Everything is pretty much run by [engineering] — PMs and testers are conspicuously absent from the process. Google as an organization is not geared — culturally — to delivering enterprise class reliability to its user applications.' Danny Thorpe, who was the key architect of Google Gears, is back at Microsoft for his second stint working on developer technologies related to Windows Live."
In other news (Score:4, Funny)
Right.... (Score:5, Funny)
"Google as an organization is not geared - culturally - to delivering enterprise class reliability to its user applications."
Whew, good thing Microsoft is.
Hypocrisy or cluelessness? (Score:5, Funny)
"Google as an organization is not geared -- culturally -- to delivering enterprise class reliability to its user applications." - Sergey Solyanik
As opposed to Microsoft, which seems to be not geared - professionally - to delivering enterprise class reliability to its user applications.
Re:Right.... (Score:5, Funny)
And by the way, it's not enterprise-class, it's Constitution-class. Sheesh.
I don't know what "PMs" are (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Is that so? (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah! They should be run by marketing and management people, just like at Microsoft! Everyone knows that engineers can't be relied upon to produce enterprise quality software without marketing's careful guidance and input.
Re:Cost of Living? (Score:3, Funny)
Pity poor Bill. /.
Now that he is retired he has nothing better to do than troll
Re:Cost of Living? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Money talks (Score:5, Funny)
You are thinking small. Ask how many dump trucks full of money.
Microsoft may consider it worthwhile to throw money at developers to keep them from working for google.
Of course some people are going to choose Microsoft over Google. Just like there are some people that like wasabi flavored ice cream. There are freaks everywhere.
It's good to be useful. (Score:4, Funny)
I'd have figured that they were just leaving Google so they'd actually have something interesting to do. At Microsoft, there's still loads of core functionality missing from their software.
The myriad possibilities for improvement simply boggle the mind.
that'll teach me (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Cost of Living? (Score:5, Funny)
No doubt that's why the bookstores all have huge sections on 'dealing with depression' and great titles like 'bad weather, good mood' and 'gray skies aren't the end'.
Re:Is that so? (Score:5, Funny)
Wow. Where is this alleged paradise where Program Managers STFU and pay attention to the coders? Where testers don't get to touch it until it's ready for testing?
Chair throwing please (Score:3, Funny)
Hopefully some of the google brass will have the humor to upload a video of themselves throwing a chair on youtube^Hgoogle video.
OMG! (Score:2, Funny)
In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
...several sales associates left Walmart for Target.
Re:Right.... (Score:3, Funny)
-- godwin filter removed reference to unethical but successful leader --
Since when is FDR part of Godwin's Law?
Re:less microsoft bias please? (Score:2, Funny)
Bill, is that you? I thought retirees didn't get homesick for the old office until at least 12 months into retirement... ;)
Reg'ds,
Re:Cost of Living? (Score:5, Funny)
As a resident of the weather-blessed United Kingdom, I say: "HAH!"
Re:Organization is everything... (Score:4, Funny)
That's what my parents told me in slightly different wording when I moved back with them after college. I tried to explain to them that forking the codebase would be a waste of resources but my developers wouldn't have any of it.
Re:Organization is everything... (Score:0, Funny)
Hey, Vista was released. Unfortunately it feels more like alpha.
Re:less microsoft bias please? (Score:3, Funny)
Exchange? Active Directory? Group policy? Try to find an open source replacement for those products?
How about a .45cal pistol and your foot? Has about the same 'user experience'.
Huh? (Score:5, Funny)
So Google isn't "geared... culturally" to deliver enterprise class reliability.
What's Microsoft's excuse?
Re:Cost of Living? (Score:5, Funny)
As a Seattle resident, I can tell you that 1) the bookstores have no such thing
Out of stock in Seattle isn't really a defense...
Re:The worste? (Score:3, Funny)
I heard in Seattle that you have to work all the rainy days and you get the sunny days off.
Is that true?
=)
Re:I don't know what "PMs" are (Score:2, Funny)
I thought they were more like DMs: they keep making stuff up until the entire team is eaten by a grue, out of money or their mums call them all home for dinner. They also get to deal out experience points if a mission ever completes...
Re:Cost of Living? (Score:3, Funny)
Though I didn't find this argument quite so convincing...
People working in Microsoft are relly very smart and skillful.
Re:To waste time vs eyeballs (Score:4, Funny)
Re:The worste? (Score:4, Funny)
A down poor at 80 degrees with extreme humidity in June
... is called shorts weather
Re:The worste? (Score:5, Funny)
Yep, both of 'em.
Re:The worste? (Score:3, Funny)
I heard in Seattle that you have to work all the rainy days and you get the sunny days off.
Is that true?
=)
Yes, but unfortunately that means you only get nine days off per year. Including weekends.
Re:Cost of Living? (Score:4, Funny)
Eh, I won't claim that the cost of living in the bay area is good, but your comments about being peer pressured into working until nighttime and weekends at google, aren't true.
As you said "I work there, so I know".
Sure, some people work there late, some by choice, and others because they showed up at work after noon.
Sure, amongst 10K+ employees, you can find a few who are working late nights or occasional weekends, but those are definitely the exception more than the rule, and this is no different than your average company in the bay area.
Also, believe it or not, but some geeks actually work nights and weekends, not because they have to, or feel pressured, but because they really have nothing else they want to do with their time.
This has nothing to do with Google, some of the ones I know have always done this, whichever company happens to pay their salary at the time.
Oh, and I apologize for working there and having a good livestyle with freetime during which I enjoy doing other things. Really, I'm sorry.
Re:The worste? (Score:5, Funny)
Hey, what did the Seattle guy say to the Pillsbury Dough Boy?
"Nice tan, dude".
Re:Ready, aim... (Score:3, Funny)
Star Wars != Nerd
Re:I've worked at both (Score:1, Funny)
"Given the choice, I'd probably choose to work for Google"
no insight at all. everything you wrote could be gleaned from stories about these companies.
you haven't worked for either, have you?
Re:In other news (Score:3, Funny)
Some memes never get old.
Yes,and others are killed and buried prematurely...the zombies crawl out regardless.
Re:Dare Obasanjo may only be promoting himself. (Score:4, Funny)
>> He doesn't want to be a manager
That is, perhaps, why he got a title of "Principal Development Manager" when he returned. Man, there's a bridge I want to sell you.
Re:Cost of Living? (Score:2, Funny)
I like to say that there's a reason Starbuck's and Seatlle's Best started in Seattle: when it comes on to February and you haven't seen anything but gray for six months, you've got a choice of super-caffeinating yourself or putting the barrel of a gun in your mouth