World's Youngest Microsoft Certificated Professional Is Five Years Old 276
HughPickens.com writes Gurvinder Gill writes at BBC that Ayan Qureshi is the world's youngest Microsoft Certified Professional after passing the tech giant's exam when he was just five years old. Qureshi's father introduced his son to computers when he was three years old. He let him play with his old computers, so he could understand hard drives and motherboards. "I found whatever I was telling him, the next day he'd remember everything I said, so I started to feed him more information," Qureshi explained. "Too much computing at this age can cause a negative effect, but in Ayan's case he has cached this opportunity." Ayan has his own computer lab at his home in Coventry, containing a computer network which he built and spends around two hours a day learning about the operating system, how to install programs, and has his own web site.
Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP) is a certification that validates IT professional and developer technical expertise through rigorous, industry-proven, and industry-recognized exams. MCP exams cover a wide range of Microsoft products, technologies, and solutions. When the boy arrived to take the Microsoft exam, the invigilators were concerned that he was too young to be a candidate. His father reassured them that Ayan would be all right on his own. "There were multiple choice questions, drag and drop questions, hotspot questions and scenario-based questions," Ayan's father told the BBC Asian Network. "The hardest challenge was explaining the language of the test to a five-year-old. But he seemed to pick it up and has a very good memory."
Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP) is a certification that validates IT professional and developer technical expertise through rigorous, industry-proven, and industry-recognized exams. MCP exams cover a wide range of Microsoft products, technologies, and solutions. When the boy arrived to take the Microsoft exam, the invigilators were concerned that he was too young to be a candidate. His father reassured them that Ayan would be all right on his own. "There were multiple choice questions, drag and drop questions, hotspot questions and scenario-based questions," Ayan's father told the BBC Asian Network. "The hardest challenge was explaining the language of the test to a five-year-old. But he seemed to pick it up and has a very good memory."
Which says what? (Score:5, Insightful)
Either the kid is pretty damn smart, or else the quality of the MCP exam has become so easy even children can pass it.
Ill go for a little from column A and a little from column B. Bright kid probably (and coaching from Dad helped for sure) but MCP probably isn't worth jack shit.
I remember years ago being asked by an MCSE for help... installing Windows 2000 Server. I was a Novell certified engineer and could do it in my sleep.
Re:Which says what? (Score:5, Interesting)
I agree with you. While he's probably a very bright kid and I would not seek to take anything away from him..... it bears comment.
My team used to refer to "MCSE" as "Make Coffee Send Errand". Mostly because of the issue you are pointing out: these guys had no skills whatsoever.
Re:Which says what? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Which says what? (Score:5, Funny)
Obligatory: "Must Consult Someone Else".
Re:Which says what? (Score:5, Funny)
Obligatory: "Must Consult Someone Else".
I guess this is the age of Oracle but we used to say "Moron Confused by Sun Equipment"
Can we do Novell and Cisco certs next?
Re:Which says what? (Score:4, Informative)
The days of the NT 4 paper MCSE are over - Microsoft fixed that by making the infrastructure exam a complete bitch several years back.
MCP is only one of the MCSE tests though, so pick the easiest (workstation cert) and get yourself a certificate in about an hour of brain dump reading.
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MCSE = Must Call Someone Experienced
Re:Which says what? (Score:4, Informative)
Well the thing about certifications are memorization, some people can memorize a large volume of information for a short period of time with no real understanding of the subject. I aced history in high school, I would read chapters from the textbook the night before and ace tests but not retain any information. The teacher accused me of cheating but was even more disappointed when he found out I wasn't actually cheating and how I did it.
I've worked with plenty of fresh out school kids with degrees and certs that they got mostly by memorization. They end up learning on the job.
Re:Which says what? (Score:5, Funny)
installing Windows 2000 Server. I was a Novell certified engineer and could do it in my sleep.
You woke up and discovered you had installed Windows 2000?
Quite the scary illness you've got there. I'd rather find my horse's cut head.
Re:Which says what? (Score:5, Funny)
You woke up and discovered you had installed Windows 2000?
Quite the scary illness you've got there. I'd rather find my horse's cut head.
I don't think they added the horse head option to the installer until Windows XP...
Old Windows Installer Messages (Score:2)
if you ever find yourself installing an old version of Windows and are not paying attention, you can almost get excited by the list of "new features" in the old version of Windows. Their OS may be so so, but their propaganda has always been top notch.
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You woke up and discovered you had installed Windows 2000?
Scary what one can accomplish while on Ambien and not remember a thing the next morning.
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Add column C: children are geniuses... at certain things. One of those things is acquiring language, something that adults struggle with but which is literally child's play to them. That doesn't mean children -- even precocious ones -- can reason like adults.
The linguistic genius of very young children might well help one pass a test a standardized test with a simple scalar score which depends in part on whether you can talk the lingo the way the vendor wants you to talk. I'm assuming the tests are devis
Re:Which says what? (Score:4, Interesting)
I did the exam for windows NT 4.0, it was a while ago.
But knowing about windows hampers your ability to pass the exam. If you only read the book and never touched a computer that will make that exam easy.
The questions are in multiple choice, but you need to give the 'best' answer. Most of the time three of the four answers will solve the problem.
Just keep in mind: if one of the answers is "Reinstall windows" than that is the correct 'best' answer (this was the 'best' answer of 5 of the questions on the exam), if one of the answers is 'edit the registry' than this is the 'worst' answer (even if it solved everything and is the quickest/easiest way of doing it).
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The NT 4 MCSE exams were a joke, because Microsoft was still trying to get people in the door against Novell.
Once word got back to Microsoft that nobody cared about the MCSE battery of certifications because they were viewed as being slightly tougher than CompTIA certs, they revamped the entire thing for Windows 2000, and made it actually something you needed to study for.
But it was too late - even 14 years later everyone views the MCSE as a joke.
Re:Which says what? (Score:5, Insightful)
Sounds like the kid is pretty bright, might well be pretty impressive in a few years; but 'explaining the language of the test' is pretty much a (much easier) equivalent to 'identifying the problem to be solved'.
As an exercise in mental capacity, I'm definitely not going to knock the kid, I certainly wouldn't have managed it at 5, and those capabilities will likely come in handy, I hope for him that they do.
For the MCP, on the other hand, it seems pretty dire that it can be passed by somebody with an excellent memory; but a need to be coached on what the questions mean. Real life is an open book (and/or google) test; but it is notably unsympathetic about telling you what the questions mean, what sort of answer a given question requires, which questions are actually on the test, which answers trigger a surprise exam about disaster recovery 18 months from now...
If somebody is a 'Certified Professional' I'd much rather seem them have an elegant grasp of what the problem is and what the solution should look like; but check the manual for some registry settings, than be conceptually befuddled but have a perfect grasp of the details.
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I worry that this poor kid is being funneled into a bleak and dreary career path too soon in life.
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Either the kid is pretty damn smart, or else the quality of the MCP exam has become so easy even children can pass it.
I'd say it was a little more of the latter shining like a polished turd here, since a 5-year old no matter how bright he or she is, is still a child.
Ill go for a little from column A and a little from column B. Bright kid probably (and coaching from Dad helped for sure) but MCP probably isn't worth jack shit.
Well... now it's not worth jack shit. How the hell am I supposed to compete with a 5-year old's salary requirements? And you thought we had a problem before with H-1B holders impacting the job market? Pfft.
I remember years ago being asked by an MCSE for help... installing Windows 2000 Server. I was a Novell certified engineer and could do it in my sleep.
There were plenty of paper MCSEs back in the day. Most likely you did run into someone who Must Consult Someone Experienced.
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That rather depends on how many fourteen year olds are getting them, doesn't it?
Note to IT recruiters. (Score:4, Insightful)
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An MS cert does not trump someone with 2 years of real experience. MS certs are only for people that have zero experience hoping to work somewhere other than best buy.
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An MS cert does not trump someone with 2 years of real experience. MS certs are only for people that have zero experience hoping to work somewhere other than best buy.
I once had to help a MCSE guy configure an email account. In outlook. They have no value if there is no experience backing up the ability to pass a test. I've been working with computers for over 30 years, and I'm 40. No official certified training, just a lifetime of being a geek. They still call me for the hard problems and never complain about the bill when it comes.
My understanding is there are "boot camp" test prep courses that are worthless then there are (apparently) some real cert programs.
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This depends highly on
1) the reqiurements of the position
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2) your hiring budget.
Do you need someone to run msi installers and register users on a *windows* system? you'll probably save some money hiring an MS cert. do you need database design or some complicated distributed server farm built? and IST degree is probably what you're looking for? Need some application code written? You probably want someone with a CS degree. Need device drivers/firmware/hardware designed? Go for someone with a Computer Engin
Re:Note to IT recruiters. (Score:5, Funny)
A MS cert does not trump a computing degree.
It depends on how much the five year-old costs compared to someone with a computing degree.
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Funny how both of you fail basic grammar. Even this non-native speaker spotted it.
Thats redeculous. Your such a looser. I english just find.
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Correct, and passion, tenacity, and/or experience sans degree don't trump a college degree.
I don't care how passionate you are if you can't learn anything.
I don't care how long you banged your head against that simple problem.
I know a couple of self-taught programmers who are simply incompatible with any other coder or codebase. They've got their one project at their company, and no-one else can touch it. And frankly they shouldn't touch anything else.
It's as if there is no trump, and there is no silver bul
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The problem is that you only have to remember specific information to pass a certification.
For the most part your right. 99% of certifications are useless and I ignore them when trying to hire someone. However, I kind of like the Cisco certifications (the advanced ones anyway), where you are asked to build and configure something in a lab, then they come in and screw with it, and you have to figure out what is wrong and fix it. Being able to fix something that is broken demonstrates a deeper understanding than mere memorization of facts.
Re:The problem with certifications (Score:5, Insightful)
Waste (Score:5, Insightful)
The kid apparently has either a talent for computers or for learning.
Either way, it's a waste to train him for an MCP exam when the kid could be learning something actually valuable in the future.
I have no idea whether an MCP exam is easy or difficult, but it'll damn sure be useless by the time he is old enough to get benefits from such certification.
Having the kid get an MCP certification is about the parents' bragging rights rather than actually teaching the kid something valuable.
Re:Waste (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Waste (Score:5, Insightful)
Perhaps learn non-MS-specific, generic computer skills that'll still be useful to the kid in ten years time.
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There's no reason he can't move on to bigger and better things from here. Perhaps this has whetted his appetite.
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Or distorted his view of computer systems.
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Re:Waste (Score:5, Insightful)
He's 5, what else would he be doing with his time?
Playing with other 5 year olds.
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Perhaps he's bored by children his own age. MAybe a mix of 5-9 year olds. He needs to stay stimulated but also learn to be pleasant to people his own age.
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> He's 5, what else would he be doing with his time?
Obviously, starting to build his own P0rn-Empire!!
Re:Waste (Score:4, Interesting)
True. I learned how to program on an Apple //e in the 6th grade in 1986 -- first Applesoft Basic and then assembly language. By the time I got out of college 10 years later and got my first job, there were no Apple //e's anywhere and no one wanted a 65C02 assembly language programmer! Spending six years learning how to program before going to college did me know good. It's like knowing the fundamentals really was a waste of time and was so not transferrable.....
Re: Waste (Score:2)
Yeah. I saw that after I posted....
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I think it was in the kid's best interest. Not that the MCP is worth more than an A+ certification these days. Be that as it may the notoriety will likely bring him opportunities. It could certainly open doors for better education and scholarships. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft didn't kick some freebies and money his way to capitalize on the publicity.
how to fix this: (Score:2, Funny)
add an arm wrestling component to the test.
Dad sacrifices sons childhood for MCP (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:Dad sacrifices sons childhood for MCP (Score:5, Interesting)
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If he enjoys computers, then give him a REAL OS to deal with. Why train him on the DUPLO of the computer world?
Honestly this kid needs a good linux and a good compiler. Any monkey can do IT, geniuses need to learn the inner workings and have the tools to break things or make them different. He needs to be using an OS that lets you interact with the hardware level and have access to compilers.
MCSE is the factory worker of the 21'st century. Do you want to be an assembly line worker or an engineer who
"Explaining" (Score:3, Insightful)
MCP is the entry exam (Score:2, Informative)
No big deal. (Score:2)
I think the mold on the left yogurt in my fridge is an MCSE. ... Yeah, he was bored one afternoon.
Seriously though, if my kid were a computer prodigy, the last thing I would teach it is something proprietary with such a short half-life as MCP. Basic knowledge of a programming language and TCP/IP would've been much better for this kid at that age. What a waste of talent. ... Put him on the kernel team and Linus accept a commit by him - *that* would be news. :-)
I hope this wasn't some nutty dad driving his ki
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Put him on the kernel team and Linus accept a commit by him - *that* would be news. :-)
This kid could be ready to do just that by the time he's seven. Problem is, he won't be ready to read Linus' comments until he's seventeen.
If only most American 5-year-olds could do it... (Score:2, Interesting)
Hopefully he doesn't end up becoming a desk jockey troubleshootin
Why is everyone surprised? (Score:4, Funny)
I would be much more impressed... (Score:3)
To find out who's the youngest linux kernel developer who (to have some objective criteria) had a patch accepted into the mainstream line.
Or you know, anything else besides something based on multiple choice and memorization.
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To find out who's the youngest linux kernel developer who (to have some objective criteria) had a patch accepted into the mainstream line. Or you know, anything else besides something based on multiple choice and memorization.
That's not a good guide at all. When I was 23, I submitted a patch to kernel.org for an issue with the USB HID driver. Some idiot had gone to sleep with a spinlock. I submitted that patch as per all the guidelines on kernel.org at the time. The bug (which would grind your computer to a halt with the correct hardware attached), remained unpatched for 6 kernel versions before some mainstream kernel dev took my exact same patch and submitted it under his own name. If you don't already have a name, or if y
A++ & MCP (Score:3, Funny)
Customer: "Hi, I'm A++ and MCP certified and I have a certificate from Devry so I know my stuff but I can't get my internet working"
Me: "What makes you say it isn't working Sir, what exactly is going on?"
Customer: "I can't load any websites except ones I've seen before, I tried restarting but it's just doing the same thing"
Me: "...type ipconfig, what do you see?"
Customer: "...static IP..."
Me: "Sir, do you have a kid who uses your computer for gaming? You have a static IP, that's the issue. follow these instructions and it will work..."
Customer: "No, I certainly don't have a static IP. I looked for that. The issue must be on your end"
Me: *FACEPALM!!!!!!!
comclusion: MCP MEANS NOTHING!!!!!!
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MCP only means one thing: Master Control Program.
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End Of Line.
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Can confirm. Road Runner ISP was utter shit in FL. Weekly outages, particularly on Wednesdays for some reason. They lost a huge amount of business when FiOS was rolled out in our county, and the remaining RR users are the elderly that still have AOL email adressess, and the poor. They went from rock solid to utter garbage in the space of about three years.
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Hah! I took pretty much those same calls working for another internet provider. Countless!
Re:A++ & MCP (Score:4, Funny)
Child Abuse! (Score:2)
Ugh! Windows indoctrination at such a young age!
see? (Score:2)
Hey, this code.org thingy is really working!
Groucho on Microsoft Testing (Score:2)
Why, this Microsoft certification test is so simple a five year old child could pass it.
Run out and find me a five year old child. I can't make head nor tail out of it.
Still won't be able to get a job... (Score:4, Funny)
H/R Drone: Do you have 5 years experience in the field?
Kid: I am 5!
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H/R Drone: That would be a "Yes" then...
But (Score:2)
MS certs are a joke (Score:2, Insightful)
You don't pass them by knowing your material (unless you're an idiot savant who has memorized every meaningless facet of the product) or by taking classes. You pass by memorizing the bizarre questions they ask and the answers they expect to see. I was forced to take a few MS exams for work, and I passed them all on the first go-around, but I don't know jack about Windows.
The dad did it... (Score:3, Interesting)
how much help is OK? (Score:2, Interesting)
While a good exam isn't supposed to test the student's ability to understand the language, it is supposed to test the student's ability to understand the underlying concepts. This means that the exam should, in part, test the student's ability to read a question, identify the key concepts, and figure out what is an appropriate answer based on those key concepts. If you rec
Groucho (Score:4, Funny)
"Why it's so simple, a five year-old child could understand it. Now go out and get me a five year old child"
TEST (Score:2)
The MailOnlne described the test as "Supporting Windows 8.1." Schoolboy becomes world's youngest qualified computer specialist after passing Microsoft Windows exam aged just FIVE [dailymail.co.uk]
Yes, this is technician level. Doesn't claim to be anything else.
But IF the range and depth of the exam is equivalent to the MS Course of the same name, it is far from the trivial achievement that the geek with five to ten years of practical experience likes to pretend. Course 20688D: Supporting Windows 8.1 [microsoft.com]
There is an entry-lev
Says a lot about the MCP Exams (Score:4, Informative)
I remember earlier in my career, looking for work with a tertiary qualification and 4 years experience in the IT workforce under my belt (I worked in IT before, during and after tertiary study) and being turned down by potential employers because I wasn't "Microsoft Certified"
Nevermind the fact that at least 2 of the papers I studied toward that tertiary qualification revolved around configuring and supporting Microsoft networks and I'd been working with Microsoft technologies full time for about 2-3 years prior.
I later just got the damn certification anyway, because I needed the job prospects that came with it. I learnt very little by doing it.
Re:Goddamn it! (Score:5, Funny)
It took me 3 attempts to pass that exam and now there are 5 year olds who can pass it?
Indeed. You need a mental age of 5 years to pass.
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This is unfortunately true for most certification programs.
Thats really not true. Actual Cisco certs like the CCNA / CCNP / etc are about Cisco equipment, but they test pretty heavily your understanding of basic networking protocols.
And keep in mind that a lot of these certs ARE centered around a particular vendor; a RHCP or MCSE are going to focus on Red Hat and Microsoft-- but that doesnt make them pushovers.
Id like to see you go into a VCP cert and BS your way through by picking the answer that favors VMWare, for example.
Re:Goddamn it! (Score:5, Interesting)
MCP, however, is a pushover. You can get that by simply passing one of the MCSE tests, usually the one centered around the workstation OS.
If you can install it and do very rudimentary administration, you can get an MCP.
Still impressive at the age of 5 though.
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You don't even have to do that. You can just take the MTA, which is an exam that is so easy they permit high school teachers to serve as proctors for it.
Right now I'm trying to get the MCSA for Windows Server 2012 R2, and it's a PITA. The biggest problem with it though is that there are NO training manuals for it that are sufficient. The Microsoft Official so called study guides sold at book stores are a joke. CBT nuggets/trainsignal are also insufficient. Microsoft's reasoning apparently is that you have t
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1) He said most, not all.
2) It's beyond-belief true for Microsoft exams. Unless you think like a MSFT marketing manager (and not, you know, an actual sysadmin), the MCSE tests will be impossible to pass. I've gotten near-perfect scores on those things simply by suspending disbelief and thinking like a Redmond Marketing droid.
3) I actually agree with you about the Cisco tests - or at least concerning the older ones (not sure about more recent ones, as I haven't had to touch one in years), since they did prob
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Cisco certification is better than MS and Check Point is better than Cisco AFAIK, with a serious margin of error, based on territory and certification authority. Again this is my
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ARP as in ethernet ip-mac mapping ? How exactly is that relevant to a LAMP job ?
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Either that or OP is just as clueless as his candidates
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Presumably OP is interviewing for sysadmin positions maintaining LAMP installations, not developing LAMP based services. Either that or OP is just as clueless as his candidates
One cannot make non-trivial LAMP based service development without having at least an awareness of deployment and installation issues. Hell, that holds for any stack (RoR, JEE, .NET).
Re:Exactly why we test all candidates. (Score:4, Interesting)
Well, it depends upon the job. As OneSmartFellow correctly divines, a recent post was for a sysadmin / sysops post. We don't require other devs to know what ARP is, but it's always good if they have some idea about the network stack.
We have been repeatedly amazed by the levels of ignorance that IT-qualified candidates have had. One of the most disappointing finds is that very few who have come from university have any substantial programming experience. Likewise, 'hack-a-day' php coders and sql-ers about, but most of them do not know when to apply a left join, some of them don't even know what a key is used for (just think of all that wasted cpu time due to ridiculously poor sql implementations. It makes me shudder).
Regarding the idea of methods for developing a re-usable, maintainable codebase for our work (primarily webwork) - seems to be beyond everyone that we recruit. The team that we have right now is second to none - but we have found that a well-written test reduces the initial number of applicants from about 700 to 800 down to about 10, most of whom we will interview.
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ARP as in ethernet ip-mac mapping ? How exactly is that relevant to a LAMP job ?
If you do LAMP jobs, chances are you will be doing some of the installation and configuration of infrastructure yourself. Meaning, some sysadmin work will be involved.
Meaning, there is an expectation of being aware of problems that can occur - by accident or stupidity (3rd party or yours) - with any non-trivial setup, including troubleshooting network problems that causes Apache to proxy among several PHP boxes (if you distribute horizontally) or why or database connections get truncated/closed prematur
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Re:Exactly why we test all candidates. (Score:4, Funny)
"the basics of regex, sql, bash, etc. Let alone what ARP is."
never ask a question that can be answered by the web,,,
Re:Exactly why we test all candidates. (Score:4, Interesting)
People laugh at that comment but he's quite right. It is literally impossible to work today in the programming field with just the information you can remember in your head. You should instead focus on getting people with good reasoning and research skills. People who can learn fast, apply past lessons and derive a correct solution based on your situation.
There's still a need for quite a large amount of information to be remembered by team members, but that is definitely trumped by how fast they can acquire it from resources they will have on hand at their work. For programmers they will have a syntax highlighting, auto-completing editor, project and make file management tools, language references, API references, and of course, vast realms of information on the net.
I was a little surprised the other day when I tried to remember the old definition for an OOP language. Inheritance and encapsulation jumped straight to mind but the third was just out of reach of my memory - despite actually using it every day for almost 30 years; polymorphism. I'd had to think I wouldn't pass some recruiter's idea of an test simply because my memory isn't what it used to be.
There's some skills like regex that I need to look up every time I use them. Mostly because they are used infrequently, have an arcane syntax, an API that varies from one language / environment to the next and every implementation seems to use different syntax. I've written heaps of SQL, I know where to place a key when to leave it down to a table scan. I can find my way through a query plan and figure out which part of a query is nonce...and yet I might still have trouble remembering some vague syntax thing. I have existing code to remind me and the web for when I don't have a snippet.
There's too much emphasis on rote learning of information that often is not even that useful, and not enough on developing analysis, research and planning skills.
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Testing during an interview is not fair to the candidate. Rarely do the tests reflect the reality of the job and for some insane reason it's seen as cheating to use the Internet to solve the problem when, in the real world, that's exactly how they should be solving it. The knowledge they have in their head is useless and can be wrong. Doing research before proceeding is always preferred. The real skill is knowing what to search for and what information to trust.
To be honest, if an employer asks me to take a
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Oh, and I do agree with you. MS certs are completely worthless.
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We do allow our candidates to use the web. We also write the tests specifically for the job at hand. We do NOT penalise for mashing, copying, or even asking for help. What we do penalise is for when someone grabs something and doesn't understand what it is, how it works, and cannot make it 'theirs'.
We also penalise people who copy code from the net and then attempt to pass it off as their own.
We don't monitor the test - we allow the candidate to work against their own clock.
We aren't fearful of hiring wron
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Think of the drone strikes! Tin foil is not enough. You need real tin hats.
Put that light out!
Re:Too bad for MCPs? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Too bad for MCPs? (Score:5, Informative)
This is 95% of all MCP holders.
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There is a third option: The boy is a "paper" MCP. He knows the right answer to the questions, but doesn't understand the reasoning behind it.
What part of Microsoft in MCP you did not understand? There is no reasoning behind it. Other than, it looked like a great way to screw some competition way back when we could do it. The only other reasoning other than that is, "the newbie code monkey hacked it this way and his/her manager was too stupid to catch it code review. Now it is carved in stone".
In other words, the reasons are either malice or incompetence.