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Why Certifications Are Necessary (Even If Aggravating To Earn) 213

Nerval's Lobster writes: Whether or not certifications have value is a back-and-forth argument that's been going on since before Novell launched its CNE program in the 1990s. Developer David Bolton recently incited some discussion of his own when he wrote an article for Dice in which he claimed that certifications aren't worth the time and money. But there's a lot of evidence that certifications can add as much as 16 percent to a tech professional's base pay; in addition a lot of tech companies use resume-screening software that weeds out any resumes that don't feature certain acronyms. There's also the argument that the cost, difficulty, and annoyance of earning a certification is actually the best reason to go through it, especially if you're looking for a job; it broadcasts that you're serious enough about the technology to invest a serious chunk of your life in it. But others might not agree with that assessment, arguing that all a certification proves is that you're good at taking tests, not necessarily knowing a technology inside and out.
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Why Certifications Are Necessary (Even If Aggravating To Earn)

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  • Meh (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20, 2015 @05:32PM (#50148779)

    First off.. saw first link and thought "wow, at least dice isn't putting campaign ID's in their URLs any more".. but then the third link has one. Never change dice.. never change.

    Secondly, this is a tired old discussion that aside from a few who insist on actually arguing it, seems to have resolved to a consensus of:

    - If the employers you want to work for care about certificates, get them.
    - If your employer wants you to get certificates, get them (they'll probably pay for it).
    - If the employers you want to work for don't care about them, don't get them (I don't think anyone feels you actually learn something by getting certs).

    The area I live in, certificates are mostly worthless, so I have very few. I once worked at a place where the big projects was from a client who insisted everyone who worked on the project have a bunch, so I got a few now expired ones through that. Maybe having certs going in would be a factor in ones favour if applying for that job at that time, but I doubt it. They were viewed much like "mandatory compliance training" stuff is, something everyone just went and wasted an afternoon on at some point because you had to.

    But I don't discount that in some areas having a list of acronyms on your resume is required or at least helpful, so if you live in such an area, go nuts.

    Either way, you should know what local employers in the area you want to work expect if you are planning to you know, have a career and such...

    • Re:Meh (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Monday July 20, 2015 @05:52PM (#50148903)

      However for some tech jobs, if you have certificates listed on your resume then this will lower your chances of getting a job. Listing certificates is a signal that you haven't updated the resume since you were an entry level grunt. Outside of IT you will almost never see certificates except in technician jobs. The point of these certificates most of the time is not even training to be competent in some field, but for their marketing use (ie, all those certificate holders will promote Microsoft solutions to the end of their days).

      • by skids ( 119237 )

        I think they are actually rather important for SE jobs. SE's need to know lots of product details without needing to know much of the stuff that only comes from sweating through the particular problems of an admin job.

      • Which just goes to show you, you should treat your future boss as if you were already working for them, which means doing what they want.

  • They're worthless. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by msauve ( 701917 ) on Monday July 20, 2015 @05:34PM (#50148789)
    EVERY cert test I've ever taken tests not knowledge of the subject/product, but the ability to do rote memorization of the training materials, even if it's wrong. It's all a moneymaking scam.
    • by khasim ( 1285 )

      Maybe. Maybe not.

      In my experience the tests "test" you on your knowledge of how the VENDOR would like you to "solve" a "problem".

      I haven't seen any test were there is something objectively "wrong" about any of the questions or answers.

      But I have seen a lot of questions and answers that are phrased somewhat inaccurately for someone with more experience than just the vendor's training materials.

      So if you know the subject, a quick read of the vendor's materials should tell you where the "tricky" areas are. But

      • by mlts ( 1038732 )

        Realistically, IT needs to do like plumbers, electricians, and HVAC tradespeople: They need licensing across the board with a vendor independent group doing the licensing.

        Certs in plumbing would be like a PVC company having tests to see how good a plumber is at gluing their pipes together. Does it matter in plumbing overall, such as selecting the rise and tilt of pipes so poop runs downhill? Nope.

        Similar if certs were similar for electricians. Square D could make certs for their circuit breakers and box

        • by Anrego ( 830717 ) * on Monday July 20, 2015 @06:38PM (#50149139)

          For that to work you need actual hard rules that everyone can agree on.

          Sure, electricians and plumbers disagree around the edges (ask a plumber about sharkbite if you want to lose a few hours of your life) but there's a huge chunk that's accepted practice for good, demonstrable and easily definable reasons.

          Software is still the wild west, and we're still figuring out how to do it properly.

        • >> IT needs to do like plumbers, electricians, and HVAC tradespeople: They need licensing across the board with a vendor independent group doing the licensing.

          This exists in the IT security field (SANS, ISC2, COMPTIA, etc.) and in some IT niches like managed file transfer ( http://cftpcert.com/ [cftpcert.com] ).

        • by swb ( 14022 )

          There's good reasons for licensing, like the fact that people can get electrocuted or have their house burn down if wiring is done incorrectly, blow their house up in a natural gas explosion, etc.

          The downside to licensing from an economic perspective is that often gets misused as means to create a cartel and restrict entry to the field. I think it's no coincidence that the licensed trades' unions are still pretty strong in an era of declining union power. I just heard a podcast where economists complaine

    • You are quite correct. Many years ago I saw a practice "A+" test this as the very first question:
      Which one or more of the following are both input and output devices:
      A: Floppy drive
      B: Keyboard
      C: Mouse
      D: Monitor
      It told me I was wrong for picking A and B because keyboards are input only. It seems they didn't think someone doing helpdesk should know the three little lights on the keyboard are important diagnostic output.

      • While those lights on keyboards are technically outputs, they're only indicators and you won't be outputting actual data with them. Not with standard hardware anyway.

        • by msauve ( 701917 )
          Assuming the discussion is regarding the usual keyboards used with IBM type PCs, the indicator lights are under control of the computer, and not just simple local indicators.
          • Yes the LEDs are under the computer's control. But that still doesn't make those LEDs "output devices" in the general sense of the word. You won't be storing or sending data to another standard device via those LEDs.

            Now, if the option would have been the classic printer port, I would have agreed with you because while it was designed as an output port, it still had input lines and standard devices were made to use it as an input/output port (such as scanners, ZIP drives, etc) and people even hacked SNES gam

            • by msauve ( 701917 )
              So, by your definition a monitor is not an output device, because "in the general sense of the word, you won't be storing or sending data to another standard device" with it. OK, whatever.
              • So, by your definition a monitor is not an output device, because "in the general sense of the word, you won't be storing or sending data to another standard device" with it. OK, whatever.

                Um, you're deliberately misreading his post. He was talking about the keyboard. The screen at one point was a pure output device where data is stored for the viewer, however brief. That being said, even when the test was written there were monitors with light pens that could be used as input devices, much like touch screens today.

                As for keyboards, indicator lights are not considered output as they have nothing to do with reading data, they are purely an indicator function, much like a power light. If yo

                • by msauve ( 701917 )
                  Nope. If a computer can turn an LED on/off, that's an output device. How it's normally used doesn't matter, it's how it _can_ be used.
                  • by Sique ( 173459 )
                    No. It's how it is supposed to be used.

                    Those LEDs are pure status LEDs and have no other means than to tell you how the next input will be interpreted by the computer. They are meaningless without input from the keyboard, and are only considered in the context of input.

                    Otherways you would also have to consider a monitor an input device because it tells the graphics card what the possible and the optimal settings are. But here again, those information is solely used in context with the output of the grap

                    • by jabuzz ( 182671 )

                      Hum, perhaps you might read the relevant manual page "man setleds"

                      Then perhaps you might read the following web page

                      http://martybugs.net/electroni... [martybugs.net]

                      In short you are just 100% plain wrong in your assertion. You could easily use three flashing LED's to indicate all sorts of error codes.

            • by mysidia ( 191772 )

              Yes the LEDs are under the computer's control. But that still doesn't make those LEDs "output devices" in the general sense of the word.

              A modern keyboard is both an input and output device. At a high level its primary function is to input things into the computer; however, the USB HID communications are bi-directional communications, there is both Input and Output. The computer can set the state of LEDs and some other features of the keyboard.

              In some cases, the computer can upgrade the firmware on

              • Yes the LEDs are under the computer's control. But that still doesn't make those LEDs "output devices" in the general sense of the word.

                A modern keyboard is both an input and output device. At a high level its primary function is to input things into the computer; however, the USB HID communications are bi-directional communications, there is both Input and Output.
                The computer can set the state of LEDs and some other features of the keyboard.

                In some cases, the computer can upgrade the firmware on the Keyboard which definitely requires sending output.

                Yes, but each of these functions have nothing to do with reading or viewing data, they are all about changing the properties of the device itself (i.e. firmware, indicators, etc.) If this was the definition then anything with a power indicator and power button would be considered an I/O device. But that's not how we define an Output device. An I/O device is all about data, which has nothing to do with the device state.

            • Actually, they serve a very important purpose. Even when a computer is pretty locked up, the lock indicators will usually still respond unless the computer is completely hosed. Also Linux may start flashing all 3 LEDs in case of a kernel panic.
        • by Ichijo ( 607641 )

          By that logic, a monitor also isn't an output device, unless you're using it to program a Timex Datalink [wikipedia.org].

        • You're been able to stuff data into the keyboard buffer and read it back for decades. Same as sticking executable code or data in an unused page of video ram that doesn't get reinitializes so it can survive a warm reboot. Ditto for a modem buffer (already an I/o device), as well as the buffer in a serial mouse. Even the old parallel printer ports.
        • Other comments have already taken you to task for your somewhat pedantic objection to keyboards as output. If the motherboard is functioning but merely locked up by software, sending input by pressing caps lock provides output from the computer in the form of the little light going on and off. Yes, that qualifies as output. Especially in the context of what an A+ hardware tech certification ought to be testing. Furthermore, output on the monitor is the state of bits in RAM or registers. Output on the keyboa

      • It seems they didn't think someone doing helpdesk should know the three little lights on the keyboard are important diagnostic output.

        What about keyboards that don't have indicators? One of Dell's most popular Bluetooth keyboards in years past (Y-RAQ-DEL2) has none, for instance.
      • by shugah ( 881805 )
        Perhaps it would have helped you if the question had been prefaced with "In the general sense and any person with half a brain would understand the terms input and output, ..."
      • Which is another lesson you have to learn. Doing what you're told and complying with official documents is often just as, if not more, important than actually knowing how to do your job.

        Compliance with authority, like it or not, is a valuable job skill.

    • It's a marketing tool. If you sell Solution X, then everyone who gets your certificate will promote Solution X when there's a choice. Because that is where their skills are and it's just basic job security to promote what you know instead of what you don't know. The money paid for the certificate course is peanuts compared to the ongoing revenue from a team of undercover agents promoting your product to their employers.

      • by Anrego ( 830717 ) *

        Yup, Cisco and Microsoft are all about this.

        Give your local college a shit tonne of free network gear, heavily subsidize CCNA material/testing, totally worth it when a college basically turns their networking course into a Cisco networking course and everyone who graduates leans towards Cisco products going forward (at least initially in their career).

        • by shugah ( 881805 )
          Memorization allows you to recall information and reproduce a process or methodology without really understanding what you are doing. Learning allows you to understand the concepts and generalize and apply them to new or different situations. Our entire education system is increasingly tilted towards memorization and achievement testing. This approach is efficient to a point, but will produce students / employees who are basically functional and even productive within a certain field, but lack critical th
    • EVERY cert test I've ever taken tests not knowledge of the subject/product, but the ability to do rote memorization of the training materials, even if it's wrong. It's all a moneymaking scam.

      Agreed. I took a JavaScript course and they insisted that the Java reserve words were also reserve words in JS, despite that version of JS being scrapped. They went so far as to include it in the final exam. The course was also 9 years out of date.

    • EVERY cert test I've ever taken tests not knowledge of the subject

      Because that's not their main value.

      Hiring managers don't know enough to qualify candidates. So they hire people with certifications. That way, if the employee sucks they just say, "hey, he was properly certified - blame the certifier, not me."

      It's CYA, blame-shifting, etc. The ability to deflect blame is quite valuable to people who are not qualified to be in their jobs, so they're willing to pay more to such employees, because such emplo

  • by ScentCone ( 795499 ) on Monday July 20, 2015 @05:45PM (#50148853)
    There should be a certification in the use of the English language. Like, maybe a high school diploma or something like that.

    Getting a certification may indeed be annoying, or irritating, or bothersome, or troubling, or tiring ... and then something else about the process might aggravate (make worse) the bad experience. Sure, it's fairly obvious that the headline writer is trying to say something other than that a bad thing was aggravated by something else ... but, can we at least, when editing the headlines, at least try to throw the darts at a group of words that actually make some contextual sense? This is right up there with the "certifications are ten times less useful" style phrasing. Just EDIT like you mean it, editors. Please? Why dumb things down when you don't have to? None of these words are on sale. It's not more profitable for Dice to hold off on using seemingly more expensive words like "irritating."
  • by bobdehnhardt ( 18286 ) on Monday July 20, 2015 @05:51PM (#50148889)

    Some certs have value in the training and experience requirements that come with them.

    Some certs add prestige to a resume or company masthead.

    Some certs equal a bump in pay.

    Some certs do other things that may benefit either the person getting the cert or the company that employs them.

    And some certs do none of these, are a complete waste of time, and only add value to the instructor's, governing body's and test facility's bank accounts.

    And when it comes down to it, the only person that can make that determination is the person looking at the cert.
    --
    All blanket statements are wrong.

    • Some Certs used to be good, but no longer are. My Novel Certs are useless. And anyone wanting me to get certified at this point better be paying me for the Certs. If my 30 years of experience (yeah, getting old) doesn't count for anything, no cert is going to fix that.

      • You're expected to go on the certification treadmill, and keep getting the latest and greatest in-demand certifications so that recruiters and HR can more easily filter candidates out of job searches.

        How is Cisco going to feed their families if we don't all buy new books and study aids for the new version of a certification? (or insert a different color of the broken window fallacy)

  • The *real* reason (Score:5, Insightful)

    by alexhs ( 877055 ) on Monday July 20, 2015 @06:02PM (#50148961) Homepage Journal

    We recently published on this site an opinion piece whose author was dismissing the usefulness of certifications.
    We wanted to reassure our advertisers that the author's opinion was strictly his own, and not reflecting Dice's opinion in any way.
    We at Dice are convinced that the certifications offered by our advertisers are indeed useful and even necessary.

    • by sconeu ( 64226 )

      Indeed. This article is a Slashvertisement.

    • Re:The *real* reason (Score:5, Interesting)

      by arielCo ( 995647 ) on Monday July 20, 2015 @08:56PM (#50149729)

      Interestingly, the Dice pieces linked close like this:

      Conclusion

      I’m obviously not a fan of formal certification. While many jobs require one or more, lots of tech pros have forged perfectly fine careers without them. Don’t let the complicated world of certificates impede you from pursuing what you want.

      and

      Certifications Only Prove One Thing

      Malik’s supervisor, who worked his way up through the tech-industry ranks for 20 years without ever earning a certification, asked him how a career powered by certifications compares to one built primarily on real-life experience. Malik said anyone can pass a test given enough time to prepare for it; but that being said, certifications allow you to apply and interview for a role from a position of strength.

      The answer of whether or not to certify is more nuanced than a simple yes or no. Take Sarin, for instance, who suggests companies look for employee traits that can be encouraged or cultivated beyond what they might learn as part of the test-taking process, even as they encourage employees to earn certifications while on the job.

      What ultimately matters is if the candidate’s opinions about certifications align with those of the hiring manager. But with certification requirements not exactly going away, why not play it safe and take on the extra effort? If you guess wrong and skip getting the certification, you could lose out to the person who passed the test.

      And the non-Dice article is the one that recommends some certifications.

      But of course the actual content shouldn't get in the way of a good rant.

  • by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Monday July 20, 2015 @06:32PM (#50149107) Homepage

    If you are a newbie or fresh from college, get a cert.

    If you have 20+ years experience, Certs don't matter. Unless you have a clueless HR drone, then you dont want to work for the place.

    If they discount your "15 years senior network administrator for AT&T" and want to see a entry level cert, then you really really dont want to work there.

    • The most obnoxious certs are ones that test based on such an odd collection of details rather than any real understanding that people only pass be using brain dumps to cheat. Then the company keeps ratcheting up the difficultly of obtuse and poorly written questions, people continue to pass by cheating and the vendor never realizes what a bunch of crap their program is for anyone who attempts to do them honestly. That is my definition of a worthless cert. I suspect this comes from vendors allowing non-techn

    • Same is true of drivers licence, or a licence to practice law, or medicine, no?

      Is it fair to say the CPA is bullshit because once you have been a CPA for 20 years, the experience counts more than the credential?

    • Let's say you claim 20 years of experience as a systems administrator.

      What does that mean? Is your experience in Windows, Solaris, HP/UX, Linux, or what? Also, how much of each? Do you know Perl? Oracle? Cisco?

      How does an employer know that your experience is with Solaris and not HP/UX? I suppose the employer could test you, but isn't that what a certification is all about?

      I think it's very fair to say that standardized cert tests are far more objective than interview tech questions. I have been tech interv

    • If you have 20+ years experience, Certs don't matter. Unless you have a clueless HR drone, then you dont want to work for the place.

      I beg to differ. It may not matter when the job market works in your favour but if it doesn't it's not a clueless HR drone that you're battling, it's computers and statistics. When a company gets 10 resumes for a job then the clueless HR drone may sit through and read them. In those situations experience can often win jobs where you don't even match the job description.

      If however the market is not in the job seeker's favour and you're battling 100 other people for one position then you're not even going to

      • Lying on your resume tends to get you disqualified with prejudice, and will even get you fired if you're caught after you get the job.

        It's not an all bets are off situation, it's a bet that you're guaranteed to lose.

  • Certification tends to become a problem because it drives the education rather than testing the skills.

  • by Joey Vegetables ( 686525 ) on Monday July 20, 2015 @07:14PM (#50149317) Journal
    AFAICT, certs measure knowledge. Successful real-world experience, IMO, both implies and trumps knowledge alone. Both have their place though. For instance, I'd think that a person who has yet to gain that level experience can at least demonstrate, through a certification, at least the ability to memorize things, and that is a useful skill in any area related to technology. Depending on the quality of the cert, a good one can arguably demonstrate a great deal more, possibly including a certain level of problem-solving ability. I've been able to make a reasonably good living without any certifications whatsoever, but, living in a relatively small city, I've also had my opportunities somewhat limited by this (plus lacking a degree, the bigger problem in general). For me, they were not necessary, strictly speaking, but they might have been useful. I might have been able to use them to advance into a more value-added role such as design, architecture, or lifecycle management, rather than being a coder (albeit a good one, and with some aptitude for those other areas) for most of my career.
  • For the years I was working in the tech industry, I was steadily employed (I'm on a disability retirement now.)

    The only certificate I ever got was a low-level Oracle 7 DBA cert. Not one employer ever asked about that cert. Instead, they had their DBAs asking me *questions* to see what I knew. And because I'd worked with some sharp people and had good lunch-room discussions with them, I knew *far* more than that certificate course ever taught me.

    My experience with "training courses" is that they run

    • by jedidiah ( 1196 )

      Certs can be useful in terms of learning the jargon of your particular product. Some of the trivia you learn may even be useful in practical terms or for answering interview questions.

      But no company worth working for will place any value in the associated bit of paper.

  • I can see certification backed training being used as a prerequisite to move within a company, either laterally or for promotions. It makes sense to ensure that an employee has a certain base knowledge prior to moving into a new position. Studying for and passing a certification test accomplishes that. (Note: I am saying base knowledge, further training may be required.)

    Using certifications for hiring is pure nonsense. There are too many unknowns when hiring a person, and how seriously they took the cer

  • Not necessarily profitable to the applicant though.

  • Business Consulting (Score:4, Interesting)

    by hsa ( 598343 ) on Monday July 20, 2015 @08:37PM (#50149633)
    I work as a business consultant on various IT projects. Certifications are required in my line of work.

    They give points in application process when big firms and the public sector contracts us to do real projects. Even so much, that one certificate is equal to two years of work experience or more.

    They have no effect on me doing my job and are all about memorizing stupid details on things I will never use. I would be more than happy if our clients would see them as a money making scam, that they really are. But such is life.

    Hate 'em all you like, but silly IT managers who hire sub-contractors don't know any better.

  • I wonder if those posting about certs being all route memorization have their CCIE? Or RHCE?

    Actually I wonder if they have any certs at all, since the route memorization claim is bullshit.

    I must admit, a lot of the multiple guess cert questions do not really test your ability.

    But could certs be better implemented, and thereby more worthwhile?

    • by swb ( 14022 )

      I think the big problem with certification exams is that they're almost always a product of the vendor. Vendors tend to want to push features they think are distinctive and/or give them a market edge, so they load their exams with questions that force you to study niche features seldom used. And this is above and beyond the trivia they load into the tests.

      For example, VMware has a bunch of ways to control resource utilization (resource pools, etc) yet I've seen it used only once at a client site, and only

  • If you want a certification, buy one.

    There are plenty of people who will, for $100, take the certification tests for you. The certifying "authorities" never ask for a state issued picture ID to prove you are who you say you are -- and in fact, most modern certification testing and issuing happens online. You can pretty much get a certification in nearly everything.

    Even in the case of a them checking IDs, you can have the test taker be a person who "perpetually fails at these tests", and swap test sheets/b

  • In some fields, like health care, job specializations are extremely well defined. The credentials for doing those jobs are also very well defined.

    You can look at somebody's credentials, and answer: yes or no; whether that person is technically qualified to be an R.N., or a phlebotomist, or whatever.

    IT, by contrast, has always been pure slop. The credentials to do a job are arbitrary. What one employer considered a valid credential, another considers to be a negative. Practically no jobs in IT have hard req

  • I'll stop working on certifications when employers cease putting them on the job postings as a requirement for getting hired.

    A lot of folks dismiss certifications as completely useless. While they don't gauge competency in any given field, they do at least show you've enough interest in the subject matter to jump through the hoops to attain the certification in the first place. I'm doing them because my company quit training their workforce about a decade ago. My hope is that the certifications give me ot

    • Had a recruiter try to sell me on a network engineer position over the weekend: CCNA or working on it, can configure a switch, etc. "But the pay's great!" I know better, and you know why--you can either have 10 years of experience or 1 year of experience 10 times over. If you're reached the point you've learned all you can in your current position, you're doing yourself a disservice by staying.

      Be careful with CCNP if you don't have experience to back it up. The assumption will be that you braindumped it.

      If

  • by EmperorOfCanada ( 1332175 ) on Monday July 20, 2015 @09:30PM (#50149851)
    The first fact is that this guy is technically correct. HR departments go all weak in the knees for certification. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some certification farm out there crapping out certifications in cmake.

    But this completely misses the point as to the actual value a certification actually has when it comes to the reality of programming or maintaining/implementing systems. Most of us will agree that the value here is low to potentially negative. A wonderful personal example was that years ago my company asked me to become MSDN certified in something. In order to regurgitate the correct answers for the test I memorized all kinds of crap. But some of it was actually quite helpful. There were some bits about NT boot configs that suddenly made sense.

    But the flaw was that I was already very good at working with NT servers. If I were in some stripmall comp collage studying this as my first exposure to computer stuff then it would have meant nothing and yet with some good studying I would have been "certified" to administer NT servers.

    But where this really breaks down is when you get a shop that is completely filled with people from a certain company's certifications. I have met companies that say "We are a MSDN shop." Full stop. They won't even consider any other technology.

    But my happy moment was years ago when our head of IT who had "over $20,000 worth of Novell certifications there on that wall" was installing a Novell server on his brand new shiny Dell powerhouse. But it wouldn't install. So he gets Dell tech support on the phone and ends up with their top tier who said, "We don't support that old Novell stuff anymore. If it runs on any of our machines it is luck not design. But I know for a fact that it won't run on that machine you have there." Now with this IT guy the whole development staff had long been trying to get Novell out of the building but the IT head swore by it and had a thousand defences as to why it was the best. But the day Dell said No was the day we were able to leverage that into finally getting Novell out of the building.

    I have similar stories with other certifications.

    So while I don't doubt that they can often increase the individual's salary and I don't doubt that the process of an existing capable user would potentially be enhanced by certification. I do suggest that the damage that is done by certifications being turned into religious scrolls could be enormous to companies that suddenly are "locked in" to a certain technology and not only stop considering alternatives but actively consider alternatives to be heresy.
    • by msimm ( 580077 )
      But your argument cuts both ways. If I need IT help and see a guy with Commodore 64 certifications all over his wall I thank him for his time and quickly run the other way. ;-)
  • Go learn what you are actually doing rather than learning how to tick a box on a goddamn test. Learn what NP-hard and NP-complete mean so you don't go around trying to solve intractable problems. Software development is NOT a trade you can learn by going to some trade school and getting certificates. It is a profession and, some would say, a science. Go take a few classes in Computer Science and learn how to really do it.

    Certifications are JUST a way for companies to make money. That is all. It is a

  • As a 20-year veteran SysAdmin/DevOps/BlueCollarITJanitor I find that certs are useful when they are used as a fundamental building block for building basic knowledge in a specific vendor's way of implementing their technical solution.

    As an example, I cut my teeth on MCSE NT 4.0 (could have taken NT 3.51 certs at the time but stupidly skilled those to jump ahead) as a late teenager but the structured organization of the learning materials with the courses and books taught me Microsoft's ideologies and reason

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