Microsoft Open-Sources Visual Studio Code (visualstudio.com) 160
An anonymous reader writes: Microsoft today unleashed a torrent of news at its Connect(); 2015 developer event in New York City. The company open-sourced code editing software Visual Studio Code, launched a free Visual Studio Dev Essentials program, pushed out .NET Core 5 and ASP.NET 5 release candidates, unveiled Visual Studio cloud subscriptions, debuted the Visual Studio Marketplace, and a lot more. The source for Visual Studio Code is available at GitHub under the MIT license. They've also released an extension (preview) for Visual Studio that facilitates code debugging on Linux.
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[citation needed]
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way back in 2007.
No one needed VS Code source in 2007 , no one needs it now.
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"I only hope they dont do the Extend and the Extinguish"
nah. RedHat is already doing a fine job of that!
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It already runs on Linux.
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It already runs on Linux.
Indeed it does. [visualstudio.com]
Color me bemused. I didn't know.
Re:Linux port now (Score:5, Insightful)
It's in the same space as other editors-made-of-browser-technology as Komodo and Atom ; it's not a full version of Visual Studio.
My preference in that space is still Komodo Edit ; it has the benefit of maturity. Atom has that liveliness that new projects do. VSC? Not sure how it will attract the community it needs to thrive.
Re:Linux port now (Score:4, Insightful)
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And the argument starts all over again..... Ah, well, this IS Slashdot...
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emacs
Emacs Macht Alle Computer Schön. I guess noone cares about the old "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping" anymore, at eight megabytes it'd be less than one percent of a web browser.
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There's lots of other editors for Linux: emacs for one, but also Kate, which has a mode with vi key bindings. There's also an effort underway to do a clean rewrite of vim. Any good editor is going to have either vi or emacs-like functionality. If it doesn't, it's a crap editor because it doesn't give you the power that those editors do in navigating and editing code. The main problem vim has is that it doesn't by default have the ability to parse your source code and do things like autocomplete, but tha
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The main problem vim has is that it's modal.
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I don't see that as a problem, but rather a feature. It lets me easily navigate the code without having to use a mouse, which is a big interruption.
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You can remain in insert mode forever - it is still more powerful than nano. So it is modal only if you want.
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You can remain in insert mode forever - it is still more powerful than nano. So it is modal only if you want.
So are you saying I can copy/paste/cut/save/quit in insert mode? Because those are necessary in order to stay in insert mode forever.
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Yes. inoremap.
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VS CODE ! = Visual Studio (Score:5, Informative)
Just to avoid any confusion: VS Code is not Visual Studio, VS Code is a web-based code editor.
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Not sure what you call these type of apps.
Shitty.
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Re:VS CODE ! = Visual Studio (Score:5, Insightful)
VS Code is not a web-based, but a filesystem or git based code editor and debugger with support for .net, node.js and other language stacks. Somewhere between Sublime Text and Sharpdevelop.
Re:VS CODE ! = Visual Studio (Score:5, Informative)
I suspect the confusion arises because TFA (last link in TFS) [arstechnica.com] says that
(Emphasis added)
"Chromium-based" means it's based on a web browser engine, but that doesn't make it web-based. Its backside could easily be file- or Git-based, as you say.
Very interesting, and maybe confusing, move by Microsoft.
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It's based on Electron, the core of Atom.
My preference in the editors-made-of-browser-tech space is still Komodo Edit, but I like the liveliness that Atom has.
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But does it support developing desktop apps? Their website suggests it's only for web development:
"Build and debug modern web and cloud applications."
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It would have been exciting is Microsoft Visual C was open sourced, and we can once and for all end the tyranny of that wretched piece of shit and bring it in line with other build tools used everywhere else. I am tired of all the hoops I have to jump through to make code that compiles on linux (clang and gcc), os x (clang) and cygwin (gcc) compile under msvc, and I'm not even talking about the lack of posix support. That would make me hate microsoft a little less.
But no this is some silly editor I never he
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Eyeliner is a solution to a problem I don't have. But I don't go on makeup forums and suggest that Avon should stop making eyeliner.
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It's always news when M$ opensources something.
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Haha, "We Open Sourced Visual Studio Code!" The headline adds ambiguity and we are sorry to inform you that our Visual Studio code is still as secretive and overpriced as ever, but since you're already here, let's pitch our new Visual Studio product line to you!
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Could we quit with the stupid conf names? (Score:5, Insightful)
>> Connect();
Could we please quit with the stupid punctuation in conference names? It just messes with search engines, folder structures, etc. Just call this "VScon" and everyone will get the message that this is for Microsoft developers using Visual Studio.
Re:Could we quit with the stupid conf names? (Score:5, Informative)
Try a Google search for "Connect();" and see what happens. ("Microsoft Connect Conference" ain't even on the first page.)
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Surely that's because you're searching for the wrong term. The right one is: "Connect(); // 2015" (without the quotes)
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>> Surely that's because you're searching for the wrong term. The right one is: "Connect(); // 2015"
Sure, that would have been my 1,455th guess. :) Someone please mod parent up as "funny". The rest of you*, go fire your marketing team.
* = For values of "rest of you" equal to "anyone having anything to do with this conference."
Re:Could we quit with the stupid conf names? (Score:5, Funny)
Doesn't even show up on Bing. Well well well.
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Or perhaps fix the search engines? When the search engines defines how we use the language, something is wrong.
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Give us some credit for taking baby steps...
A few years ago, this would have been called "Microsoft Active Developer Conference 2016 with Bing.com and VisualStudio.com"
Surely you agree that "Connect();" is an improvement ?
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A few years ago, this would have been called "Microsoft Active Developer Conference 2016 with Bing.com and VisualStudio.com"
Surely you agree that "Connect();" is an improvement ?
From a descriptive-yet-long name to a non-descriptive, non-googleable name? Not really an improvement.
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Re: Could we quit with the stupid conf names? (Score:1)
They try to be trendy and it backfires. I really hate when they call my full feature laptop, notebook a "device" on Windows 10 too.
They should look to IBM, they just reinvented themselves without doing such "lets look cool to these young kids" trickery. They stayed as Big Blue. For example, having complete W3C HTML valid homepage (don't know current) is way more modern than coming up with some pseudo code names.
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Actually, I'm giving MS a heck of a lot of credit these days. It's a different Microsoft from what we here at slashdot are used to.
VS Code is brilliant. MS's actions embracing open source are wonderful. Azure supporting Linux is awesome. Windows 10 is a freaking amazing OS and for the first time in a long time the best consumer OS on the market (though I'm still partial to Linux on servers).
Microsoft has embraced JavaScript and NodeJS, and they are actively pushing the open web and standards. Edge browser h
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Especially the 'con' part.
Re: Could we quit with the stupid conf names? (Score:1)
People will remember the one and only Windows 98 C:/con/con Bug , not good for new Microsoft ;-)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=... [youtube.com]
Re: Could we quit with the stupid conf names? (Score:2)
Conversely:
Can we please fix search engines and file systems to work with punctuation. Altering our behavior to comply with the limitations of the tech de jour is not and end state solution.
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I don't know how much Bill has to do with the day to day goings on at Microsoft now. Seems to me like his primary focus now is doing good in the third world. (And as much as I hated him as a businessman, he's an awesome philanthropist.)
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Is Bill the one doing that?
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So terrible Google dumped it for Android Studio (Score:1)
Ah Eclipse, the IDE so terrible and slow that Google stopped using it and released Android Studio.
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Say what you want about MS business tactics, but Visual Studio is the best code editor currently available.
And despite the growth of smart phones and tablets, the desktop application market is still a huge market. Not everyone wants to make app store crap.
because they exclusively refused to participate in microsofts cash cow scheme.
Who gives a fuck? The released it under the MIT license. Fork it and do whatever you want with it now.
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> but Visual Studio is the best code editor currently available.
Define "best" ... ? ... for "what" exactly ?
Because while VS is fine for Windows debugging its text editor has sucked for years. Windows only, closed source, slow, etc. I'd rather use Vim or Emacs which works across multiple platforms (I use the same .vimrc config file across Windows, OSX, and Linux), is fast, has tons of features and plugins, and isn't interested in putting the menu in ALL CAPS because some retard UI designer doesn't have
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I'll just an editor that _already_ works, not some buggy, incomplete, PoS.
Why are you coding on a Point of Sales system incomplete or not.
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+1 for lame attempt at humor :-)
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Ironically I was reading this article yesterday which goes into more detail how Microsoft lost momentum to web clients:
How Microsoft Lost the API War [decider.com]
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If you're a developer working in a shop writing code for bethesda or valve or EA, chances are your windows site license for desktops and servers is already heavily discounted thanks to your generous interest in a visual studio license despite eclipse being right there. Chances are even better that in order to keep this generous discount your manager has started shoehorning C# into your project requirements to 'maximize the investment value' of what basically amounts to a protection racket for good customers
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Actually, I'll probably be switching my whole team over to this once they add two things, 1) vim keybindings and 2) support for debugging node clusters
Why? Because it's lightweight, runs everywhere, is open source and works great. It supports node debugging well. It's a heck of a lot better than Webstorm, which we're currently using. Webstorm is nice but so full of feature bloat that all I see all day as I code is the little mac spinning rainbow as java slowly executes.
There are plenty of other editors out
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despite eclipse being right there
Having a root canal in all my teeth with no sedation would be FAR more comfortable than switching back to using Eclipse as my main development environment. Seriously. Visual Studio is that much better. The reality is that VS is what Eclipse could have been if Eclipse developers knew anything about usability. C# is what Java could have been if it wasn't (both now and before) managed by a moronic committee. The fact that I can now deploy on Linux is a huge plus, but I would not give up Visual Studio as my dev
.NET 5 is just what we need. (Score:4, Informative)
I get it.
Yes, there's supposed to be a certain degree of backwards-compatibility, but in practice that degree is "not enough that installing Product X doesn't frequently force you to install runtime Y".
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Only for .NET 4 and above. .NET 3.5 and below is still separate, and .NET 2.0 is still industry standard in a lot of places.
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I'd be interested in learning more about the compatibility problems you're having with real apps and .net framework versions.
We know that there are ocassionally compat issues because we have large customers we work with to try and mitigate them.
There are already mechanisms built into .net for rebinding apps to use specific framework and assembly versions, e.g. the .exe.config file that you can modify without access to the application's source code.
In general, .NET 2.0 and .NET 4.0 are the two separate runti
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I'd be interested in learning more about the compatibility problems you're having with real apps and .net framework versions.
We know that there are ocassionally compat issues because we have large customers we work with to try and mitigate them.
Typically it's an issue with installers, not necessarily products themselves. When installing various utilities, especially products that haven't been - or needed to be - updated in a while, I've encountered installers that simply won't proceed until a legacy .NET framework is installed. They're not checking for higher versions, they're not checking for equivalent versions, they're checking for precisely the version they were written for. Sometimes you can ignore that and proceed. Sometimes you can't.
Re: .NET 5 is just what we need. (Score:1)
You just provided an answer to people whining about "Why business people, enterprise insist on relying to MS solutions (.NET etc) rather than Linux/OSX?"
Business wants long term support and dependability. When couple of nerds in a IRC channel or Starbucks decide the fate of their multi million dollar applications future because "nobody uses it", it doesn't work.
Windows 10 can still run software coded in 1995.
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You really have that many problems with that? I never even notice that there are .NET updates.
I wouldn't necessarily say "problem", Anecdotal Coward. I'd reserve "problem" for things that prevent function and require resolution. This is an annoyance, requiring nothing more than the investment of time.
The annoyance stems from that in the SMB market, where there are a lot of factors that interfere with best-practices (meaning I understand how to do things right but sometimes can't), I can't always (successfully) arrange for server patching every month, and I can't always arrange for automatic patc
It's FREE and Open Source (Score:2, Informative)
so disappointing! (Score:5, Funny)
They use tabs instead of spaces!
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So does Linux!
Eclipse and Power of Java (Score:1)
Ah, eclipse, with the [garbage collection] power of [garbage collection] java which [garbage collection] [garbage collection] [garbage collection] enables rich [garbage collection] code [garbage collection] [garbage collection] editing and tight integration with [garbage collection] [garbage collection] [garbage collection] java frame [garbage collection]works.
And to run it comfortably, you only need 16gb of ram, and a very fast ssd that it can [garbage collection] [garbage collection] [garbage co
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First, you do realize .Net is also garbage collected right? Secondly Elipse and Netbeans [netbeans.org] are excellent and mature IDEs that support dozens of languages and platforms.
The whole 'Java is slow' meme is at least a 15 years passe, try something new.
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No, it's JIT or AOT compiled.
Intermediate is the key word ; it's compiled to an assembly language for a virtual machine, not al all unlike Java bytecode.
That is then subsequently compiled to machine code best matching the capability of the platform it's running on, just like Java.
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Garbage collection and bytecode are two entirely different concepts. .NET has GC, so does Java.
Both also compile to bytecode, but .NET libraries can also be compiled to native code at installation time when installed in the GAC. This has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not it is garbage collected. It always is.
They ran out of their own? (Score:4, Insightful)
You can now contribute to VS Code:
Submit bugs and help us verify fixes as they are checked in.
Review the source code changes.
Contribute bug fixes through pull requests.
Update and add to the documentation.
Anyways, joking aside, it's cool that stuff is being released in a more open way than it was traditionally with Microsoft. Hopefully they will keep up the trend and not revert to their old ways.
In other news... (Score:2)
...Hell's temperature dropped to that of liquid nitrogen.
Re:If it's not GPL (Score:5, Informative)
If it's not GPL'ed, it's not open source. And we all know what abhorrence MS harbors for GPL...
The Open Source Initiative has certified the MIT license [opensource.org] as a valid open source license. Look I'm not a huge MS fan either, but they are using a real OSS license here. Just because MIT isn't copyleft doesn't mean its not OSS.
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The Open Source Initiative has certified the MIT license as a valid open source license. Look I'm not a huge MS fan either, but they are using a real OSS license here. Just because MIT isn't copyleft doesn't mean its not OSS.
Not to mention GPL-compatible, which means it in every way has less strings attached. This is not the CDDL or MS PL or some other obscure and intentionally incompatible license, it's as open source as it gets.
Re:If it's not GPL (Score:4, Informative)
> If it's not GPL'ed, it's not open source
Nope. Open source implies the source that comprises the entirety of the application is available to be inspected. Terms of that access are orthogonal to the phrase, although RMS would insist it must be free as in beer, philosophically or it isn't "open".
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That's a very idiosyncratic definition, and not particularly useful. We already have "copylefted" as a word.
The MIT license is considered Free by the Free Software Foundation, and Open Source by the Open Source Initiative. That's good enough for me.
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ISO/IEC 29500 (Score:2)
silly closed MOOXML
OOXML is described in ECMA-376 and ISO/IEC 29500. How exactly is it "closed"?