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Prince Quietly Helped Launch a Coding Program For Inner City Youth (qz.com) 172

An anonymous reader writes: Though many would say Prince changed the world through his music, the artist also took a hands-on approach to changing the world beyond music. The global superstar was the inspiration behind YesWeCode, an Oakland nonprofit, which works to help young people from minority backgrounds enter the tech world. The idea for the program came from a conversation between Prince and his friend Van Jones, who heads Rebuild the Dream charity, following the 2012 shooting of teenager Travoyn Martin. "Prince said, 'A black kid wearing a hoodie might be seen as a thug. A white kid wearing a hoodie might be seen as a Silicon Valley genius. Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mark Zuckerberg.'" Jones told CNN. The program is aiming to teach 100,000 low-income non-white teenagers how to write code, and was launched at the 20th Anniversary Essence Festival in New Orleans in 2014.
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  • by Anonymous Coward

    "Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mark Zuckerberg"

    So, thugs?

    • "Let's teach the black kids how to be like Mark Zuckerberg"

      So, thugs?

      I figured it meant teach them how to make huge piles of imaginary money while pushing the productivity of this nation off a cliff and convincing people that they should give up for free private information that companies will make money off of.

      • A thug who walks up to you on a dark street, sticks a gun in your back and says "give me all your personal information".

        The victim says nervously "Or... or... what?"

        "I'll make something that you and all your stupid friends can't resist spending a lot of time on, and then I'll take it away."

        "OK Sir".

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        Sounds about right.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Because the tech industry doesn't have enough self-absorbed dousche bags as it is.

  • by xxxJonBoyxxx ( 565205 ) on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @02:10PM (#52037991)
    >> young people from minority backgrounds enter the tech world

    The whole "special access due to skin color/gender" bit is getting a bit old, when what's really probably needed is "special access to people from impoverished backgrounds." When you've never seen anyone in your family working in a corporate office, it's a little hard to see understand what a career in IT/legal/other-cushy-white-collar-job could be, and there are plenty of "non-minority" kids stuck in that world too.
    • by Alomex ( 148003 )

      I agree. Right after desegregation things were so dire and discrimination so prevalent that color of the skin was a rather efficient and good proxy for "person who has suffered untold amounts of discrimination". Today an impoverished background is a much better proxy for the group of people we are trying to reach. In the end blacks would still be the main beneficiaries since they are over-represented among the lower classes, but at least this way we no longer need to classify people by the color of their sk

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      I agree we should focus more on economic class, but black people do still face a variety of discrimination. Insofar as this holds them back economically then class oriented programs will benefit them disproportionately, but this doesn't mean a program which targets blacks is necessarily bad.

      When minorities begin to raise their status, they set their sights on the kinds of high status, high paying jobs you see in the media; doctors, lawyers, and so on. This means they remain under-represented longer in pr

      • by xxxJonBoyxxx ( 565205 ) on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @03:59PM (#52038981)
        >> as a white anglo you're much more likely to have an (white collar professional) in your family who is a role model

        That's exactly the assumption I'm challenging. I think this association cleaves closer to economic lines than racial ones. In the boonies you're likely to find a lot of "white anglo" family groups without a single college education. If you ignore them long enough, you end up with Trump voters, or worse. :)
      • by robinsc ( 84714 )

        "but this doesn't mean a program which targets blacks is necessarily bad." - The problem is that any form of discrimination will lead to class inequality in the long run. It has already happened here in India where many Brahmins a caste who were once on top of the pile are now living in poverty as they have no access to government grants, cushy seats and reserved educations that is given to almost everyone else. Only economic criteria is truly race and gender bias free and hence is the only one that ensures

    • by locotx ( 559059 )
      LOW-INCOME is the key word . . .
    • The whole "special access due to skin color/gender" bit is getting a bit old, when what's really probably needed is "special access to people from impoverished backgrounds."

      What's so bad about "special access due to aptitude"?

  • The program is aiming to teach 100,000 low-income non-white teenagers how to write code,

    I guess poor white people don't matter? What if we changed that from "non-white" to non-black? Non-Mexican? Or non-gay? That would suddenly make this program racist or homophobic.

    The way we've been treating each other in the US or on the planet, for that matter, has been embarrassing for most of my life as far as I can tell. But the recent trends do not give me much hope. It's a step in a different direction, but I'm not entirely sure it's a good one, just different.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by kuzb ( 724081 )

      Oh, you can be sure it's not a good one. The people perpetrating this garbage don't want to be equal - they want to be superior.

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        Any kind of racism is about some faction of a society defined by real or imagined racial characteristics feeling inherently superior, universally without any factual basis.

        To be fair, the article says it is about supporting minorities, so they may have actually non-racist goals, and the Prince-quote is likely taken out of context.

    • How about "non-Asian"? The Beaverton teen robotics team that one honors at the International Robotics competition got their picture in the paper. 14 high school students. One token redhead; the rest were all Chinese or Indian. Probably most of the were the children of Intel employees.
  • I like Prince but. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @02:15PM (#52038037) Homepage Journal

    1. A white kid walking around at night in a hoodie looks like a thug also. He does not look like a tech billionaire.
    2. All low income kids need help regardless of race.
    3. Sure programing and tech can be a good way to make a living but studies have shown that people that go to vocational schools leave school with jobs and little debt.

    • by unimacs ( 597299 ) on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @02:48PM (#52038321)
      1. Prejudice based on skin color and clothing is a real thing. Pretending it's not doesn't make the problem go away.

      2.There is a significant wage gap between white and black people. A larger percentage of black people live in poverty. That is not something in dispute. African-American culture is a subset or even a distinct American culture on its own. What may very well prove successful with one group of low income people may not work as well with another. Trying to help one group of people doesn't stop anyone from helping another group.

      3. Teaching valuable skills is a good thing whether it's in a vocational or college setting.
      • by Pluvius ( 734915 )

        African-American culture is a subset or even a distinct American culture on its own. What may very well prove successful with one group of low income people may not work as well with another.

        Yes, for black students to succeed they very much need courses that are separate from, but equal to the courses that white students take.

        Rob

    • 1. A white kid walking around at night in a hoodie looks like a thug also. He does not look like a tech billionaire.

      https://i.imgur.com/PKaUWZu.jp... [imgur.com]

      2. All low income kids need help regardless of race.

      And Prince used his own money to help a certain group of those kids. You got a problem with that?

      • by LWATCDR ( 28044 )

        If someone did the same thing but excluded african-americans would you have a problem with that?

        • If someone did the same thing but excluded african-americans would you have a problem with that?

          Nobody's being "excluded". These are programs for the inner city, which happen to be predominantly minority.

          If you haven't noticed, the white suburbs already have programs that are designed to help them succeed. They are called, "good schools with big budgets".

          White men who complain about programs targeted at minorities, crying, "Where's MINE??" don't seem to realize that they've had theirs all along. It's rea

          • by LWATCDR ( 28044 )

            "Nobody's being "excluded". These are programs for the inner city, which happen to be predominantly minority."

            Funny but this is from the summary.
            "Jones told CNN. The program is aiming to teach 100,000 low-income non-white teenagers how to write code, and was launched at the 20th Anniversary Essence Festival in New Orleans in 2014."

            Sounds like it is excluding people to me. Maybe the person that was being interviewed meant inner-city teens but the statement seems to exclude white low income teens.

            I actually t

            • I do not like any racism

              Don't believe you. I'm not sure you can even understand how racism works. There is no such thing as racism against white people. If there should ever be racism against white people, then we have something to discuss.

              • by LWATCDR ( 28044 )

                Really? Do you think that nobody hates a white person just because they are white?
                Hating someone because of their race is racism.

                • No, and no.

                  As I said, you don't understand how racism works.

                  • by LWATCDR ( 28044 )

                    Is english not your first language?
                    First you said, "Nobody's being "excluded". These are programs for the inner city, which happen to be predominantly minority."

                    And then I showed you where it did say that low income white kids were being excluded here, "Jones told CNN. The program is aiming to teach 100,000 low-income non-white teenagers how to write code, and was launched at the 20th Anniversary Essence Festival in New Orleans in 2014."

                    Then you said, " There is no such thing as racism against white people"

                    • And then I showed you where it did say that low income white kids were being excluded here, "Jones told CNN. The program is aiming to teach 100,000 low-income non-white teenagers how to write code, and was launched at the 20th Anniversary Essence Festival in New Orleans in 2014."

                      "Aiming at" minorities is not the same as excluding whites.

                      Are you saying hating someone because of their race is not racism?

                      Yes, it's not necessarily racism. Racism implies a power structure. Oppressor/oppressed and all that. I

                    • by LWATCDR ( 28044 )

                      No that is not the definition of racism.
                      http://www.merriam-webster.com... [merriam-webster.com] .
                      and here
                      http://www.oxforddictionaries.... [oxforddictionaries.com]
                      Really aiming at is not the same as excluding? So a college aiming at recruiting white people is not racist?
                      If you exchange the word non-white for non-black, non-hispanic, and or non-asian it is without a doubt that it would be seen as a racist statement so it is racist.
                      You're are making up your own definition that fits your worldview, show me a definition from a reputable source aka a diction

    • by OzPeter ( 195038 )

      1. A white kid walking around at night in a hoodie looks like a thug also. He does not look like a tech billionaire.

      Yeah but a White kid in a hoodie has Zuck as a role model (And I managed to say that with a straight face) or any number of tech startups.
      A Black kid in a hoodie does not have similar role models .. so there is a difference there.

      2. All low income kids need help regardless of race.
      3. Sure programing and tech can be a good way to make a living but studies have shown that people that go to vocational schools leave school with jobs and little debt.

      I agree with you on those points, however Blacks are proportionally in poverty at a much higher rate than whites (on average 2 1/2 times across the entire US) so it will require extra effort to balance that out.

      Finally you have to give Prince props for doing something he cared abou

      • by LWATCDR ( 28044 )

        1. Most kids walking around in hoodies have no idea who Zuckerberg is.

        2. "I agree with you on those points, however Blacks are proportionally in poverty at a much higher rate than whites (on average 2 1/2 times across the entire US) so it will require extra effort to balance that out."
        So if you help all kids in poverty more of help will go to people of African descent than white kids because more of them need help.

        "Finally you have to give Prince props for doing something he cared about and not maki

    • 1. A white kid walking around at night in a hoodie looks like a thug also. He does not look like a tech billionaire. 2. All low income kids need help regardless of race.

      We've been hearing for years that blacks need to take responsibility to uplift themselves and not depend on others to help out. So a prominent black millionaire takes it upon himself to uplift other blacks and the response is basically "hey, why isn't he helping other people"? Sigh.

  • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

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  • Doesn't seem so quiet if it makes the news.

    • Quiet as in nobody bragged about Prince's philanthropy before his death, but now that he is being beatified, everybody wants to talk about what a great person he was.
      • That's normal. I remember an artist that managed to gain international fame but was eventually all but forgotten around here who said in one of his songs "do I have to die to live?"

        Yes he did. Not even a month after his death his records topped the charts again and there were roads and places named after him.

        People are odd. It seems we like our role models dead.

  • I don't expect a high level of editing on Slashdot, but you could at least give Trayvon Martin the respect of spelling his name correctly.

  • Coding jobs are not the factory jobs of the modern age. They are highly specialized, need a lot of talent and dedication and coding above a very low difficulty and quality level can most decidedly not be taught to everybody. Please stop teaching these already disadvantaged youth something most of them will never be good at and where the available jobs on the lower levels are in a fast downwards spiral with regards to pay, job security and upwards mobility. You are just screwing them over.

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