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Microsoft Announces Visual Studio For Mac ( 83

On the sidelines of major announcements such as Microsoft joining the Linux Foundation, and Google joining the .NET Foundation, at its Connect(); 2016 developer conference, Microsoft also announced that it bringing Visual Studio for rival platform Mac. The company also announced a preview of the next version of SQL Server, and a preview of Azure App Service support for containers. From a Venture Beat report:"We want to help developers achieve more and capitalize on the industry's shift toward cloud-first and mobile-first experiences using the tools and platforms of their choice," Microsoft Cloud and enterprise executive vice president Scott Guthrie said in a statement. "By collaborating with the community to provide open, flexible, and intelligent tools and cloud services, we're helping every developer deliver unprecedented levels of innovation." The fact that Microsoft is bringing its IDE to macOS would have arguably been the biggest news of the day, had the company not leaked the information itself earlier this week. Still, a preview of Visual Studio for Mac is now available, letting developers write cloud, mobile, and macOS apps on Apple's desktop operating system using .NET and C#. It's a big deal, given that Microsoft once made a point of locking in developers by only offering its tools on Windows. This has changed over time, with a big highlight in April 2015 when Microsoft launched Visual Studio Code, its cross-platform code editor, for Windows, Mac, and Linux.More info on Microsoft releasing SQL Server Preview for Ubuntu and Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
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Microsoft Announces Visual Studio For Mac

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    • Re:Dupe (Score:4, Insightful)

      by msmash ( 4491995 ) Works for Slashdot <> on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @04:27PM (#53299241)
      Not a dupe. Microsoft accidentally published a blog post earlier this week. That's what the old story is based on. But hours later, the company had pulled the blog post :)
      • by lgw ( 121541 )

        Psst, fix the /. IE bug. It's annoying, and likely a 1-line fix.

        • While we are requesting /. bug fixes, how about fixing the one where the page is scrolled to a seemingly random point on the page on load...?

          • That's just the javashit loading.

            If you choose correctly, and run a browser with a Stop button, you can cut it off before it throws an error while you're trying to read the page. Seamonkey (still) has a stop button to cut off badly coded javashit (but now I am being redundant) that runs away.

          • What about the one where if you follow an external link or reply to a post it takes you to the top of the page when you come back, rather than the point you jumped off from?

            Which spacktard thought that was a good idea?

        • sudo apt-get install microsoft-edge?
          • by lgw ( 121541 )

            You're scaring me. Where's my safe space?

            Seriously, Edge blows goats.

            • Firefox user, myself.

              But you're the one advocating support for Internet Explorer, a discontinued browser on a discontinued OS revision.

              • by lgw ( 121541 )

                WIn7 is here for many years to come, since MS has obviously given up on making a home OS people actually want to use. It's silly to use anything else for gaming. And that means IE is here for many years to come. It's not like IE11 is IE6 or anything - works just fine if the only extension you need is an ad blocker.

              • What? Where? Internet Explorer is a currently developed and supported product in a currently developed and supported OS.

  • by BigBuckHunter ( 722855 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @04:08PM (#53299093)
    I was all set to change over to using Microsoft cloud based technologies, but was completely hung up over the fact that VS wasn't available for the Mac. Thank you Microsoft!

    • by Joe_Dragon ( 2206452 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @04:12PM (#53299119)

      to bad apples hardware sucks!

    • Actually today's design. The real problem is making iOS apps on PC's. I really don't want to buy a Mac (even a Mac Mini) just for iOS development.

      Microsoft is putting VS on all its platforms, because there are so many other development methods available.

      • I'm at that place right now. It's like I'm getting raped in every single orfice. I can't even get the useless base 256Gb SSD and install a third part one of my choice.
      • Also.. I am pretty much forced to shell out for Applecare, because will the touch strip keep working? Who knows. The chance of something failing that is soldered in or only available through Apple is maximized.
        • The chance of something failing that is soldered in...

 quite low. Lower than the change of something that's connected via a header, anyway. Not that I'm into not being able to upgrade my RAM & HD, but the only thing that's ever failed in my macbook pro was the SATA cable.

          • How many years experience do you have with touch strip?
          • by cdrudge ( 68377 )

            Google "Macbook BGA" or "Macbook reflow". Heat issues lead to video chips solder joints breaking over time. It's not an issue that is unique to Macbooks, so I'm not hating on Macs, but it is an issue over time.

            Regarding hard drives, I've had laptops whose mainboards have died and weren't worth the cost to repair them. I've never had a problem popping out the hard drive, plugging it in to another computer, and pulling off my files. When the storage drive is directly soldered to the mainboard...not sure how I

            • I don't like non-upgradable storage, but not for the reason you suggest. These days I just assume that all the data in the laptop itself is effectively temporary, and I use both Time Machine, and Dropbox to store everything on the machine. Well, I only put the home folder in Dropbox, but you get the idea.

              You're right that if your mainboard fails, your data is safe. But that's probably a fairly rare situation, whereas laptop lost / stolen / got all wet / HDD dies, are all far more likely, and you'll be wanti

        • by Fwipp ( 1473271 )

          You can get the version without the touch strip, if you're scared of it. Saves you some money, too.

          • Can I? It would be foolish for me to get the i5 processor so I want the i7, and it seems that forces me into the $3K+ fifteen inch models.. which forces me into touch strip.

            Or I supposed I could order the old model, but that would mean paying top dollar for a four year old system.
    • I feel like I am living in an alternate reality.
  • In related news, Hitler announced that he will be sharing concentration camp design with the British so that they can start cleaning up their cities too.
    • Translation: "I don't like Apple so I am comparing them to the British."
    • You realise that the British are commonly credited with the creation of the concentration camp, right?

  • by HBI ( 604924 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @04:32PM (#53299301) Journal

    Microsoft used to have compilers for other platforms. They stopped supporting them when they tried to unify everyone on Windows back in the 80s and 90s.

    Microsoft's revenue is still driven by Office and Windows.

    Why would you support other platforms with dev tools? It discourages people from writing for Windows to make it too easy to write to the Macintosh. In context, Microsoft has also made it undesirable to have Windows 10 in at least its consumer iteration due to the spyware and the confused interface. So on the one hand, you're driving the users off your platform, and on the other hand, you're facilitating moving the software they depend on to another platform. This seriously does not make sense from a profit generating perspective.

    The only way I can make sense of this is that they don't see owning a platform, its dev tools and the primary application software on that platform to be logical for them because they don't think that desktop computing will last. It'll be supplanted by mobile, which they failed to own the platform thereof. Therefore, they want to shove their dev tools and applications in every space they can.

    I don't see this as the likely end game, though. I really don't see desktop computing going away in the near term.

    • Desktop computing in the consumer market is going away already although not entirely gamers and some other hobbyists will still have desktops/laptops. Business of course is going to keep it much longer.

    • Because they can't make a decent mobile device to save thier lives, and desktop monopoly is not going to matter that much in a decade. Fewer people will use MS studio because the tools for Andriod are free and Xcode is basically free. MS studio will basically be B2B only, and IBM does it better. It is not a well thought plan. It is desperation from a lazy company whose only skill was OEM intimidation and lock-in.
    • by Rob Y. ( 110975 )

      Maybe, since they're trying to push Ximian as a cross-platform development environment - and because all iOS developers are currently developing on Mac's, they're moving VS to the Mac so that they can woo iOS devs over to Ximian without their having to have a second, Windows system.

      This is certainly not about using VS to build Mac desktop apps.

  • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @04:34PM (#53299319) Journal
    Windows is a relatively small portion of Microsoft's revenue now []. They see huge potential in the cloud (and that is Nadella's specialty, what he did before becoming CEO), so that is the point of all that they are doing. They've been trying to draw users into their cloud, and will do it with many different enticements.
  • by T.E.D. ( 34228 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @04:50PM (#53299465)

    Note that this is not a port of Microsoft's Visual Studio to the Mac. All they did was buy Xamarin Studio [] a few months back and slap their nameplate [] on it. They are completely different products with different codebases, and look to remain that way.

    From a technical standpoint, there's not really much reason to be exited about this, unless you were already a Xamarin fan, and want to see it better-supported.

  • by wjcofkc ( 964165 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @05:22PM (#53299823)

    Microsoft also announced that it bringing Visual Studio for rival platform Mac.

    Move every "zig"! Mac base are belong to us!

  • Apple getting closer and closer to Microsoft practices, MS feels comfortable developing for the Mac.
  • The Macintosh is not a 'rival platform' to Windows, except in the fervid eyes of the Macintosh advocates.

    Microsoft produced Excel and Word for the Mac before there was even a Windows to create Office to run on. In the early days Microsoft obtained a LOT of revenue from the Mac, some even say Microsoft earned more profit for each Mac sold into a business office back then than Apple did.

    Nobody really cares about the Mac OS except for Apple enthusiasts. It's not seen as a 'rival' by Microsoft. It's a little

  • "Build apps for the cloud, iOS, Android, macOS, and wearables."

    Great, cannot even build a Windows app. Count me out.

  • by tsotha ( 720379 )
    Hopefully they do better than they did with Outlook. Mac users won't be thrilled with getting 70% of a product.
  • If it wasn't for my company using Outlook, I wouldn't even be aware that MS was still in business. I don't think I've used any other MS product in 10+ years. That's pretty crazy to think about since for the first 10+ years I was using computers the majority of the software I used was from MS.

No amount of careful planning will ever replace dumb luck.