Oracle Outperformed? TPC Benchmarks Show Alibaba's OceanBase Performs Twice As Well (tpc.org) 46
The Transaction Processing Performance Council is a many-decades-old nonprofit that defines transaction processing and database benchmarks and shares its performance results with the industry.
Long-time Slashdot reader hackingbear says they've just released some surprising news: The TPC organization reported on October 5 that OceanBase, an open-source relational database from Ant Financial, a business unit of Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba Group, has topped the TPC-C benchmark, more than doubling the score achieved by Oracle Corp. which had held the world record for the past 9 years.
OceanBase v2.2 Enterprise Edition with Partitioning scored at 60,880,800, while Oracle Database 11g R2 Enterprise Edition w/RAC and Partitioning achieved 30,249,688.
TPC Benchmark C is industrial standard OLTP benchmark, measuring on-line transactions per minute (tpmC).
Long-time Slashdot reader hackingbear says they've just released some surprising news: The TPC organization reported on October 5 that OceanBase, an open-source relational database from Ant Financial, a business unit of Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba Group, has topped the TPC-C benchmark, more than doubling the score achieved by Oracle Corp. which had held the world record for the past 9 years.
OceanBase v2.2 Enterprise Edition with Partitioning scored at 60,880,800, while Oracle Database 11g R2 Enterprise Edition w/RAC and Partitioning achieved 30,249,688.
TPC Benchmark C is industrial standard OLTP benchmark, measuring on-line transactions per minute (tpmC).
What news? (Score:3)
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The kind only Oracle would be stupid enough to pay for.
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Why worry - the last good version of the Oracle database was version 7.x.
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The repo linked in the TFA has last been pushed to 3 years ago. What kind of 'news' is this?
That they finally got around to testing it?
I think we in the USA should be concerned (Score:3, Interesting)
The TPC organization reported on October 5 that OceanBase, an open-source relational database from Ant Financial, a business unit of Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba Group, has topped the TPC-C benchmark, more than doubling the score achieved by Oracle Corp. which had held the world record for the past 9 years.
Isn't it "common knowledge" that China simple copies?
If so, why are those Chinese kinda doing so well - in so many fields?
I think we should be concerned that our government simply finds time and effort to foment chaos in distant lands instead of doing what will surely develop the ordinary folk.
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What would capitalism be without forced labor? (Score:1)
Aka the "choice" to suck up to leeches to serve them for keeping a fraction of what you generated, in order to feed the apparatus ... or to fuckin starve and die on the street like a free dog.
And with capitalism, I mean China too. Same situation there. The only difference is, that they have a more cooperative conformist culture where we have a more competitive individualist one. And that they are currently where we were a 100 years earlier, in terms of worker rights and such.
(China isn't communist. A defini
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rabid Anarcho-Fascists
Hey kids, don't do drugs.
by keeping the people decided
A cromulent observation.
we must
Who is we? You might have learned everything you know about America's history from a blog for all I know.
âoefuck you! I got mine you go get yoursâ
Your copy and paste is broke?
Look, I get what you're saying, we must stop doing the crimes, and avoid the greedy while minding the respectful or something.
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Isn't it "common knowledge" that China simple copies?
No - the “common knowledge” generally talks about stealing rather than copying.
Deciding whether or not that’s a fair assessment is left as an exercise for the reader.
Re:I think we in the USA should be concerned (Score:4, Informative)
So did Japan.
Until they didn't, and then they ate the US car and electronics industry for lunch.
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How you do you think that happened?
Total Quality Management (TQM) [inc.com]
W. Edwards Deming, trained as a mathematician and statistician, went to Japan at the behest of the U.S. State Department to help Japan in the preparation of the 1951 Japanese Census. . . . A series of lectures took place in 1950 under the auspices of the Japanese Union of Scientists and Engineers (JUSE). Deming had developed a critical view of production methods in the U.S. during the war, particularly methods of quality control. . . . He found Japanese executive receptive to his ideas. Japan began a process of implementing what came to be known as TQM. They also invited Joseph Juran to lecture in 1954; Juran was also enthusiastically received.
Japanese application of the method had significant and undeniable results manifesting as dramatic increases in Japanese product quality—and Japanese success in exports. This led to the spread of the quality movement across the world. In the late 1970s and 1980s, U.S. producers scrambled to adopt quality and productivity techniques that might restore their competitiveness. Deming's approach to quality control came to be recognized in the United States, and Deming himself became a sought-after lecturer and author.
Re: I think we in the USA should be concerned (Score:1)
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I'd rather have the US than Japanese economy for the last 20 years.
The US economy gets a huge artificial boost by the US dollar being the reserve currency for much of the world. You better hold on to your britches if that ever changes.
Re: I think we in the USA should be concerned (Score:1)
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Education is cheaper and there are well over a billion people in China. It was only a matter of time until they got competitive.
Old data (Score:5, Informative)
What BS weenie measuring is this? (Score:1)
Cool... (Score:4, Funny)
Re: Cool... (Score:3)
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It has 80x less attention than MongoDB
Re: Oh Boy (Score:1)
Got an hdtv - design and assembly in China. Cell phones - mostly Chinese.
China gets more patents than the US, UK, EU, and Japan combined, and they've been the leader for a while.
Everyone else is either playing catch up or just sliding further behind - and teaching kids to code (a skill that will be obsolete) isn't going to make up for it.
Oh kid ... (Score:2)
... better a Chinese one than one from the country with power over you.
Ok, you're gonna have competitors spy on you in any case.
But I'd say, if they want, they already have access, using your Foxconn-built phone/Laptop/mainboard/.... Whoever they are.
Re: Oh Boy (Score:4, Insightful)
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but I've never owned anything more complex than a toaster designed by a Chinese firm that was anything close to the quality of what the rest of the industrialized world produces.
Chinese companies are not inherently any better or worse than anywhere else. You get the level of quality that you pay for. Give a Chinese company the requirements and budget to do something well, and they will. Fender proved that with their Chinese-made Modern Player line of electric guitars and basses, which were of equal or b
With what feature set? (Score:2)
I'd be de last to not despise Oracle,
but I remember when MySQL came out and was preferred "because it is fast", even though it had unacceptable shortcomings and really was not in the same league.
Since I never heard of OceanBase ... anyone here who used it in a production environment?
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No. And it won't be an alternative even if someone does. Running a high score on a TP-C benchmark has never actually been on any requirements list I've been involved in.
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[MySQL has] also relatively quick setup and low maintenance.
PostgreSQL also has very easy setup, very low maintenance, and excellent performance. For example, one of the primary tables in my database has 146.3 million records. Cold, uncached, lookups for a record group (a record group typically has somewhere between 13-19 tuples) on that table are about 1.9 milliseconds. Warm, cached, lookups are approximately 0.7 milliseconds.
We used to have Oracle everywhere, but the company and the product were such horrendous messes that we ripped it out and replaced it with
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They hide TCO (Score:2)
Power consumption is hidden literally for all but HP entries.
Their solution costs $0.87/tpmC, by far the leader in initial cost is a single Dell PowerEdge T620 running SQL Anywhere 16 at $0.19/tpmC. So what's the power consumption? The information is useless without Watts/KtpmC [tpc.org].
Everyone but HP is providing worthless information. How backwards.
Very different hardware! (Score:5, Informative)
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Oracle != end-all-be-all (Score:2)
Rumor was that, after Oracle bought up the rights to DEC's Rdb database from Compaq (or was it from HP... ahh, who cares at this point), their engineers had it running in their lab and were surprised at just how badly it was kicking Oracle's flagship product's ass. Now I wonder... did a copy of Rdb make its way to Alibaba?
bragging rights (Score:3)
benchmarks are mostly bragging right.
at this point i think the most interesting feature of any db is that it isn't from oracle.
Where's the source? (Score:2)
It says OceanBase is open source; but the copy on github is ancient.
Does anyone know if they went closed-source or where the actual current repository is?
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Using google translate on https://oceanbase.alipay.com/ [alipay.com] support and docs sections gives the current version as 1.3 and there is an rpm for avaiable for RHEL, described as a 'trial version' so the clear implication is that current versions are not FOSS.
It *appears* on the surface to be both currently live and a professional product but that's just my impression from the website. I'm thinking that people outside China have not heard of it because as far as I can see support, docs etc. only seem to be availabl
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Googling around I find OceanBase 2.2 to be the latest, perhaps. It is supposed to support Oracle/PostgreSQL dialects now too. But if it's not open source (anymore), there is no point in looking into it.
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The latest version is OceanBase 2.2, which is not open-sourced yet.
You mention "yet" as in "I know that it is scheduled to be open sourced" ?
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