The World's Largest Concentrations of Java Programmers are in Asia and Germany

"To celebrate Java's 25th anniversary this year and the latest release of Java 15, JetBrains has compiled data from multiple sources to look at what the current state of the language," reports SD Times: The largest concentration of Java developers is in Asia, where 2.5 million developers use it as their primary language. JetBrains believes this may be due to the fact that it is common to hire offshore developers in countries like China and India to build Android apps. "We might have expected the USA to have a high percentage of Java users, but it also makes a lot of sense that they don't. There is a big technology stack to choose from and often a lot of the tech companies are at the forefront of that stack, so it could be that developers there don't need the power or stability of Java and are using languages that allow them to build and test quickly," JetBrains wrote in a post.
The post on JetBrains notes that the six countries with the highest percentage of developers using Java as their primary language are: China, South Korea, India, Germany, Spain, and Brazil: The reasons Java is most likely so popular in the first 6 countries include the free use of Java, governmental support, and open-source... Germany is also very high which could be attributed to Java being the most popular language in Germany for software engineers as it is used to build highly scalable applications for a multitude of industries. Most enterprise services rely on Java to power the applications that enable the day-to-day running of businesses, such as payroll, inventory management, reporting, and so on. Germany also has a big financial sector that uses Java heavily for their homegrown tech, such as trading bots, retail banking systems, and other applications that the finance industry requires in order to remain competitive...

According to the State of the Developer Ecosystem Survey 2020, more than a third of professional developers use Java as a primary language and Java remains the second primary language among professional developers after JavaScript. Expert analysis: It is not surprising to see JavaScript and Java taking the leading positions as they are kind of paired together; developers who work with Java often write their frontend and any quick scripts in JavaScript. Python is probably third place due to the spread of machine learning. In general, we expect the web to be a big part of the developer ecosystem and so JavaScript, HTML and CSS, and PHP will always have solid standing. SQL is also always going to be around as there isn't much that doesn't require databases in some capacity. C++ is also kind of a solid language in that it is used for a lot of embedded applications, so it won't be disappearing off the charts any time soon. C# though seems to be losing ground, and I guess if Java is high then C# will be low, as they are both very similar in terms of capabilities.

As to why I think Java is so high in the sphere of professional development — it's similar to what was mentioned about Germany. Most enterprise business services rely on Java to make them tick along. It's not just the IT sector either — almost every company, be it in distribution, manufacturing, or banking, has IT services as part of their infrastructure, and these services, such as payroll or inventory management, are generally built with Java in the backend. So Java is used a lot by professional developers who work for these companies.

Java Developers

[Ukab the Great]

Does a PHP programmer who lives on the Indonesian island of Java technically count as a Java developer?

Re:Java Developers

[backslashdot]

Not unless he's building a strip mall there.

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[1s44c]

That would be an Indonesian developer.

What universities teach

[RogueWarrior65]

It could have something to do with universities in those regions attempting to teach marketable skills. My own experience in having been forced to learn Ada instead of C/C++ resulted in me only being able to find a job at defense companies. That quite often results in your job being classified so you can't tell prospective employers what you did or show them examples of your work.

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[fazig]

That's funny, because various universities in the south west of Germany used to teach Ada in the mid 2000's. They did it because it was seen as an academically valuable language for learning how to program properly.

At least that's what I've been told by complaining students that switched to my university where we learned C, C++, MATLAB, assembler, and VHDL (not exactly software development).

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[Tablizer]

They did it because it was seen as an academically valuable language for learning how to program properly.

Students: "We don't want to program properly, we want to get a job."

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[fazig]

Having graduated over 10 years ago, I've got some different opinions on what universities in Germany teach to people, and maybe what universities teach in general.

If you're in the science and engineering fields they mostly teach you mathematics. All the other skills you can acquire on your own. An opinion that has been at least anecdotally confirmed by a lot of self-taught programmers that I've met who were quite good at programming, despite never having seen the inside of a university. Of course this req

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[radarskiy]

So you a) went to a college that only used one programming language ever, and b) you never learned another since then? No matter which language that was, you would have had a problem.

Where I come from,we did one language the first semester, three languages the second semester, then after that you used whatever language makes sense for the topic of the course, e.g. for a humanities course in cognition we used Prolog.

Monoculture of language?

[OrangeTide]

The lack of diverse programming experience in your country is not something to be proud of.

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[ArchieBunker]

Who cares? As long as it pays the bills and works as intended.

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[OrangeTide]

Short term planing doesn't usually lead to long term success.

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[drinkypoo]

Isn't Java a PITA? Like, couldn't someone who learned Java go on to learn C++, and then C, for example? If they're smart enough to learn to deal with Java, I mean. I know I find C to be a lot more scrutable.

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[OrangeTide]

Once you have access to a debugger like gdb, remember to build with debug symbols, and have tools like valgrind or even electricfence. Then C becomes a lot easier. Once you have what I call a debugging-friendly environment for C, you can make headway on unit tests.

This might be my own bias, but I think going from Java to C is a smaller step than going from Java to C++. There are a lot of new concepts in C++, and the syntax is not always obvious. C is a bit more primitive and the main new skill is learning n

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[Sesostris III]

The summary says it's where Java is their primary language. It doesn't say that Java is their only language.

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[OrangeTide]

If you're not using it on the job, does that count as "experience" ? I draw a distinction between knowledge and experience. I have quite a bit of knowledge about guitar, but I can't play it to a meaningful degree because I have less than 30 hours of practice into it over the past 5 years of dabbling in it.

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[Joce640k]

The lack of diverse programming experience in your country is not something to be proud of.

Don't worry, Germans are far more aware of the importance of knowing other languages then Americans are.

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[NateFromMich]

knowing other languages then Americans are.

than

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[Joce640k]

A simple typo. My bad.

In my defense: English is my second language... normalmente hablo Español.

So like the Axis powers?

[Gojira Shipi-Taro]

Well we know what that makes Larry Ellison then.

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[johannesg]

Because China, South Korea, India, Spain, and Brazil were totally Axis powers o_O

May I recommend this? https://www.bol.com/nl/p/world... [bol.com]

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[Gojira Shipi-Taro]

It was a joke.

I've an idea...

[NoNonAlphaCharsHere]

I say we dust off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Nonsense

[angel'o'sphere]

It's not just the IT sector either â" almost every company, be it in distribution, manufacturing, or banking, has IT services as part of their infrastructure, and these services, such as payroll or inventory management, are generally built with Java in the backend.

I work since about 1995 mostly with Java. Never heard about a payroll system or inventory management written in Java. This is all off the shelf software like SAP or Oracle stuff (which could be in Java) you simply buy or rent. No one writes his own payroll system, that makes no sense at all.

Stuff in Java are IT systems that actually describe/implement the business work. Like:
* power companies planning a day ahead what plants should produce how much power during a given period of time during day. And such a power company will run their payroll by SAP.

* air lines scheduling lay overs of crews and planes

* banks internet access

etc.

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[kleinesRaedchen]

I work since about 1995 mostly with Java. Never heard about a payroll system or inventory management written in Java. This is all off the shelf software like SAP or Oracle stuff (which could be in Java) you simply buy or rent. No one writes his own payroll system, that makes no sense at all.

I know at least one large German electronics retailer who had wirtten the backend for their inventory and merchandise management system in Java. If you need agility in your sales processes, this makes complete sense b

ok?

[pieisgood]

Germans are familiar with long names and parts of Asia are still catching up with modern philosophy behind software development. I'd have more hope if they said they were more likely to program in C or GO than Java. I cannot state enough that Java under Oracle has not been write once run anywhere and has instead been write once, regret forever. I'd rather write in swift, c++ or rust. Give me everything or true convenience. I have so much hope for go, rust and swift. If only swift would commit to non-languag

System.out.println

[h33t l4x0r]

Me Chinese, me play joke, me do peepee i n your coke.

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More bad news

[sinij]

I am so sorry ot hear that place hard hit by COVID now have to deal with an outbreak of Java programmers.

Mom

[Plugh]

Used to scare me that kids in Asia had to eat rice and tofu. Now I will scare my kids by telling them that kids in Asia have to program in Java (shudders)

C# shrinking?

[Tablizer]

C# though seems to be losing ground

What evidence do they have for this?

Statistics

[niff]

Remember this is a survey done by Jetbrains, you know, the creators of the best Java IDE around.
So itâ(TM)s not very surprising that their users are also Java developers.

The creators of Delphi found in their survey that over 99% of the responding developers use Pascal.

And Microsoft asked all Visual Studio users to fill in a survey and it turns out that C# is very popular, and that Java is really on its way out, since there were only 5 J# users left.

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