In Jakarta EE 9 'javax' is Finally Renamed 'jakarta'

i-programmer reports: The Jakarta EE Working Group has announced that javax is now officially and finally renamed as jakarta with the release of the Jakarta EE 9 Platform and Web Profile specifications and related TCKs. The announcement was made during the JakartaOne Livestream virtual conference, and the group said that the release "provides a new baseline for the evolution and innovation of enterprise Java technologies under an open, vendor-neutral, community-driven process."

The move from Java EE to Jakarta EE was necessary because while Oracle handed over the open source version of Java to the Eclipse Foundation, it kept the names 'Java' and 'javax' and refused permission for their use...

The initial release doesn't include support for Java SE (Standard Edition) 11, the latest long-term support release of the standard Java platform. This will be added in a release in the next few weeks.

Java is a disease

[Arthur, KBE]

I hope there will eventually be vaccine but I doubt I will see it in my lifetime.

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[cpurdy]

Why do people brag about their ignorance by posting nonsense?

Oracle got rid of Java EE; this is an open source project, outside of the control of Oracle.

Furthermore, the security issues with Java were primarily around the "applet container for the browser" code written in the mid-1990s long before the language was even stable. That has long been a deprecated and discarded feature. (And yes, comparisons of that tech to Adobe Flash are perfectly fair game!)

Oracle is bad enough in many ways to criticize

You don't hate Java, you hate business software

[Somervillain]

Java is merely a symptom of the underlying condition of "Oracle", which is spread by the ellison virus.

Java is bigger than Oracle. Everything people hate about Java is not about the language, but about business software. It's verbosity in some cases is necessary for scalability and readability. Sure, there are a lot of bad Java programmers who do it wrong, but even done right, a lot of the complexity makes sense when you have 20 contributors in 5 time zones like our company does. We have projects that have 100 active contributors in 8 timezones and a dozen countries, most of the contributors having never met each other. This would be far more painful in JavaScript or Python.

When your project is not making money or you're the only programmer, use whatever language you want. When things actually matter, you need strong typing, lots of documented best practices, rigidly enforced coding standards, lots of documentation, and a bit extra encapsulation. Java is a good language with an excellent business culture. It has a lot to learn from other languages, but they have far more to learn from it, particularly around the culture and uniformity of best practices.

There's a long history of many companies using other languages and then coming back to Java once they grew and started making money. Most complainers don't understand and clearly haven't worked for a successful company before.

Most of what you complain about regarding well written Java makes a lot of sense after your application has been in production for 10 years and the original author left or got promoted and it has changed hands 5 times and has teams in 2 time zones contributing.

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[kurkosdr]

Amen. If I may add, every time I hear someone badmouthing Java, it's usually some C bigot who thinks bounds checking and garbage collection are luxuries, and who probably thinks that having everything be a void* pointer (usually in order to implement some highly-idiosyncratic pseudo-OO style) is a neat trick (*cough* https://what.thedailywtf.com/t... [thedailywtf.com] *cough*).

Now, don't get me wrong, C has its place in areas like systems programming, codecs, and graphics, but if you are starting the creation of a web ba

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[Arthur, KBE]

Duly noted. I won't write my next medical waste accounts receivable package in C.

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[kurkosdr]

As an aside, I am a bit split on C++. Sure, it's a language with some C cruft in it (such as unsafe C arrays and pointer arithmetic), and doesn't have true garbage collection, but it has OO and you can use destructors and stuff to somewhat manage memory automatically. So, if you are building desktop software and want to use Qt or something native (say win32 or Gtk), C++ is good. But don't write your web backend or your business app on it. Use Java. When you have a single company footing the bill, you can't

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[kurkosdr]

And desktop GUI is irrelevant for web apps anyway (duh) unless it shares code with a desktop app.

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[kurkosdr]

Also, Java has lots of useful libraries for business software, but that's another thing for another day.

Re: You don't hate Java, you hate business softwar

[BarbaraHudson]

but if you are starting the creation of a web backend or an account receivables app

In other words, comparatively trivial stuff that can be done in many languages. Got it.

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[kurkosdr]

Yes, exactly. Most code out there is surprisingly trivial. It's usually to the tune of "we need a website needs to take such and such info and retrieves such and such thing from the SQL database" or "we have this pen-and-paper accounts receivable procedure we want automated". Please don't use C for such things. Use Java and get it done quickly, under budget, using industry-standard libraries, and without any memory corruptions.

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[The Evil Atheist]

Half your JIRA tickets will be buffer overruns, memory leaks, and pointer mishaps

Still waiting for a Java programmer that understands how C++ is actually used in the real world, and not from when they learned in university during the 80s... The fact that Java programmers keep repeating the same myths tells me they're still poor programmers and why Java is their preferred language.

I wonder what language JVMs are written in?

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[angel'o'sphere]

As soon as you mostly program in Java, you most likely are not up to date about the evolution of C++.
That does not make you poor programmer.

But your silly comment makes you an idiot.

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[The Evil Atheist]

If you're not up to date with how C++ has been used, then why are you repeating myths (or in your case, justifying others repeating myths)?

The ONLY sensible thing to say is "I don't know how C++ is used in the last decade", NOT to then talk out of your arse.

Your retarded attitude that it's okay to talk falsehoods if you don't know about a topic makes you REALLY silly.

Seriously, you're DEFENDING the act of talking out of one's arse as not being a poor programmer, or an irrational person in general?

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[angel'o'sphere]

The ONLY sensible thing to say is "I don't know how C++ is used in the last decade", NOT to then talk out of your arse.
And why is that "sensibel" when it is not true? Seriously? Are you stupid? Why insulting me anyway?

Seriously, you're DEFENDING the act of talking out of one's arse as not being a poor programmer, or an irrational person in general? You don't think that's beyond silly/stupid?
Actually I'm not a poor programmer. You think that because I did not use C++ 2017, yet. That is your problem. Unfortu

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[kurkosdr]

And what prevents Greg The Smart Guy from using C++ the old way because he wants to be smart? And no, coding guidelines won't help, Greg either has workarounds or has convinced the boss his way is better for "performance reasons". As the OP said, when you have 30 people across 4 timezones coding a business app, I'd rather have a language that doesn't give every one of those 30 people a rope to hang themselves (and the project) with and the option to use it.

PS: The JVM is most likely written in C or C++,

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[aaarrrgggh]

My issue with Java is really limited to the end user pains of dealing with Java web start due to the miserable security history. It got to the point where the one Java app I need to run has a dedicated Raspberry Pi to avoid all the hassles.

Re: You don't hate Java, you hate business softwar

[Alphager]

Webstart is dead. It won't hurt you once the old applications finally die.

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[angel'o'sphere]

It is not. Most Applets got converted to Webstart and big Java Applications like Wurm Online use it.

Re: Java is a disease

[cormandy]

Vaccine you say? Oh that will require an Oracle Java support contract, licensable on a per CPU or per user basis.

Jakarta

[backslashdot]

"The move from Java EE to Jakarta EE was necessary because while Oracle handed over the open source version of Java to the Eclipse Foundation, it kept the names 'Java' and 'javax' and refused permission for their use."

Umm, Oracle can still sue them .. Jakarta is a city in Indonesia, a country wherein Java is a province. It may be arguable that the name jakarta fails the likelihood of confusion test and the anti free-riding tests. The name Jakarta implies an association with Java, and the product is benefit

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[aaarrrgggh]

Thanks. I needed a good laugh!

Re: Jakarta

[BarbaraHudson]

They should have merged the java and jaxax packages and called it Stdlib.

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[angel'o'sphere]

Nope, stdlib for java and stdlibx for javax, as javax are eXtensions to the standard lib. Hence the X.

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[Tablizer]

Change the name to something totally different. Never trust Oracle.

How about "Ellisonsass".

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[account_deleted]

Comment removed based on user account deletion

Should Have Named It Jakoff

[zenlessyank]

So it is open source but you can't use the name.

Something sounds fucky to me.

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[Rosco P. Coltrane]

At least it's not called Iceweasel - possibly the worst fork rename of all time.

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[ToasterMonkey]

So it is open source but you can't use the name.

Something sounds fucky to me.

Like RHEL and CentOS, there is nothing remotely unusual about removing trademarks from open source.

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[zenlessyank]

So you are saying (because I don't know about all these histories) that Java was an Oracle creation and therefore they can keep the name but not the code.

Still seems fucky but I understand.

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[ToasterMonkey]

So you are saying (because I don't know about all these histories) that Java was an Oracle creation and therefore they can keep the name but not the code.

Still seems fucky but I understand.

Oracle bought Sun Microsystems, the creator of Java. The process of open sourcing Java and related software like Glassfish began under Sun. It's complicated because it contained bits that were licensed from other companies, and things like governance have to be sorted out because it's a big popular project with many corporate interests etc.
Oracle has maintained the course, this was not their first foray into open source anyway. Oracle giving up the Java trademark is about as likely as Red Hat lending the

Trickling down ...

[fahrbot-bot]

The move from Java EE to Jakarta EE was necessary because while Oracle handed over the open source version of Java to the Eclipse Foundation, it kept the names 'Java' and 'javax' and refused permission for their use.

Can't wait for recruiters to ask for people with 10 years of experience in Jakarta.

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[backslashdot]

Suddenly we'll see a bunch of tech jobs taken by Indonesians. "Jakarta, why yes I've got 18 years of experience in it. Well before I even started college."

no one pays for javax, just give it away Oracle

[Somervillain]

Come on, you're never going to make money on Java. Just give away the rights to javax. No one will pay you for it. Give it away Oracle and learn to write software people want to pay for. You're already a profitable company. This infighting and stupidity just scares away casual observers. You stand to make a lot more money selling expensive app servers or knowing people on Java are more likely to buy your RDBMS once they start making money than you are on nickeling and diming over tools like this.

T

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[ToasterMonkey]

Come on, you're never going to make money on Java. Just give away the rights to javax. No one will pay you for it. Give it away Oracle and learn to write software people want to pay for. You're already a profitable company. This infighting and stupidity just scares away casual observers. You stand to make a lot more money selling expensive app servers or knowing people on Java are more likely to buy your RDBMS once they start making money than you are on nickeling and diming over tools like this.

The state of the world is that no one wants to pay for most tools, but once they're making money, they will pay handsomely to keep their app up and running. Make tools and frameworks free, charge for cloud services and application server support.

They did give Java, Java EE, Glassfish away... they're keeping some of the trademarks. Apparently they're not keeping Glassfish. The infighting you're talking about, it's in your head.

You sound like one of those bozos that think OpenJDK is some David competing with Oracle's Java Goliath that never noticed the (c) Oracle Corporation at the bottom of

https://openjdk.java.net/ [java.net]
Or
https://javaee.github.io/glass... [github.io]

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[bill_mcgonigle]

> Come on, you're never going to make money on Java

Oracle owns java merely to beat Google about the head with Android.

Because Google scales databases better than Oracle can.

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[i.r.id10t]

If they really wanted to I bet their accountants and lawyers could figure out a way to claim it as a charitable donation and deduct it from whatever taxes they haven't managed to wiggle out of paying already.

Namespace Hell

[PPH]

I can see it coming.

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[PaigeDuree]

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Open source kept Java alive

[stikves]

Let us not forget, while Java was trying to force EE Beans into small businesses' throats, the open source community came up with Spring and Struts. While they were trying to make JSP happen, it was actually Tomcat that made it a reality. With the ANT build system, extensive Apache libraries, and many other efforts, including Eclipse, open source kept Java relevant.

There is no turning back, regardless of how much Oracle wants to do so.

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[The Evil Atheist]

GP said:

Spring

You said:

Swing

You also said:

More stupid, misinformed

Really? Your retarded arse can't tell the difference between two words spelled and pronounced differently, to refer to two frameworks that do different things, in a comment about an article talking about ENTERPRISE JAVA. Did you, at no point, think they're talking about an ENTERPRISE (level) JAVA FRAMEWORK calld SPRing? Did you, at no point, look at GP's other mentions of Struts and JSP and not think, in a comment about an article talking about ENTERPRISE JAVA, that they're ta

Stupid imaginary property

[BAReFO0t]

Serves no other purpose than hindering us from having nice things, yet again.

Visual J++ 1.0

[spongman]

Codename: Jakarta