Rust's Moderation Team Resigns to Protest 'Unaccountable' Core Team (thenewstack.io) 265
On Monday morning the moderation team for the Rust programming language "resigned effective immediately," reports The New Stack:
The resignation was tendered via a pull request on GitHub, wherein team member Andrew Gallant wrote that the team resigned "in protest of the Core Team placing themselves unaccountable to anyone but themselves."
According to the page describing Rust governance, the moderation team's purpose is to do just that — to help "uphold the code of conduct and community standards" — and according to the resignation letter, they are unable to do so, with the Core Team seemingly being outside of those bounds. "As a result of such structural unaccountability, we have been unable to enforce the Rust Code of Conduct to the standards the community expects of us and to the standards we hold ourselves to," Gallant continues, before making four specific recommendations to the Rust community as to how to move forward.
First, Gallant writes that the Rust community should "come to a consensus on a process for oversight over the Core Team," which he says is currently "answerable only to themselves." Next, the outgoing team recommends that the "replacement for the Mod Team be made by Rust Team Members not on the Core Team," and that this future team "with advice from Rust Team Members, proactively decide how best to handle and discover unhealthy conflict among Rust Team Members," with "professional mediation" also suggested. The final point, which they say is unrelated, is that the next team should "take special care to keep the team of a healthy size and diversity, to the extent possible," something they failed to do themselves. To that point, the outgoing team is just three members, Andre Bogus, Andrew Gallant, and Matthieu M...
The former team concludes their resignation letter, writing that "we have avoided airing specific grievances beyond unaccountability" because they are choosing "to maintain discretion and confidentiality" and that the Rust community and their replacements "exercise extreme skepticism of any statements by the Core Team (or members thereof) claiming to illuminate the situation."
"Our relationship with Core has been deteriorating for months," they add in a thread on Reddit (where the subReddit's moderators have since locked out comments "in light of the volatile nature of this thread.")
There's just one more official update. Thursday former Rust moderation team member Andrew Gallant tweeted the URL to a new post which has now appeared on the "Inside Rust blog" — titled "In response to the moderation team resignation." The post reads: As top-level team leads, project directors to the Foundation, and core team members, we are actively collaborating to establish next steps after the statement from the Rust moderation team. While we are having ongoing conversations to share perspectives on the situation, we'd like to collectively state that we are all committed to the continuity and long term health of the project.
Updates on next steps will be shared with the project and wider community over the next few weeks. In the meantime, we are grateful to the interim moderators who have stepped up to provide moderation continuity to the project.
According to the page describing Rust governance, the moderation team's purpose is to do just that — to help "uphold the code of conduct and community standards" — and according to the resignation letter, they are unable to do so, with the Core Team seemingly being outside of those bounds. "As a result of such structural unaccountability, we have been unable to enforce the Rust Code of Conduct to the standards the community expects of us and to the standards we hold ourselves to," Gallant continues, before making four specific recommendations to the Rust community as to how to move forward.
First, Gallant writes that the Rust community should "come to a consensus on a process for oversight over the Core Team," which he says is currently "answerable only to themselves." Next, the outgoing team recommends that the "replacement for the Mod Team be made by Rust Team Members not on the Core Team," and that this future team "with advice from Rust Team Members, proactively decide how best to handle and discover unhealthy conflict among Rust Team Members," with "professional mediation" also suggested. The final point, which they say is unrelated, is that the next team should "take special care to keep the team of a healthy size and diversity, to the extent possible," something they failed to do themselves. To that point, the outgoing team is just three members, Andre Bogus, Andrew Gallant, and Matthieu M...
The former team concludes their resignation letter, writing that "we have avoided airing specific grievances beyond unaccountability" because they are choosing "to maintain discretion and confidentiality" and that the Rust community and their replacements "exercise extreme skepticism of any statements by the Core Team (or members thereof) claiming to illuminate the situation."
"Our relationship with Core has been deteriorating for months," they add in a thread on Reddit (where the subReddit's moderators have since locked out comments "in light of the volatile nature of this thread.")
There's just one more official update. Thursday former Rust moderation team member Andrew Gallant tweeted the URL to a new post which has now appeared on the "Inside Rust blog" — titled "In response to the moderation team resignation." The post reads: As top-level team leads, project directors to the Foundation, and core team members, we are actively collaborating to establish next steps after the statement from the Rust moderation team. While we are having ongoing conversations to share perspectives on the situation, we'd like to collectively state that we are all committed to the continuity and long term health of the project.
Updates on next steps will be shared with the project and wider community over the next few weeks. In the meantime, we are grateful to the interim moderators who have stepped up to provide moderation continuity to the project.
Who could have guessed it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Who would have had any kind of inkling that a bunch of SJW cancel culture jack-boots would throw a tantrum when they find out that they don't actually run everything, and that people who do actual technical work turn out to be the ones who matter?
Re:Who could have guessed it? (Score:5, Informative)
According to reports, the leader of the core team hired his wife out of nepotism and she turned out to be fucking terrible, starting drama and getting people she didn't like in trouble for no technical reason. People that warned about this are pissed that it was allowed to come to pass. Also they're pissed that the core team adopted a Code of Conduct (cancer) but didn't apply it to themselves too.
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Tell that to John Lennon.
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Well put !!!
Re: Who could have guessed it? (Score:3)
Unfortunately, that's only true in projects where technical prowess is paramount, and it can easily slip once a corporation rather than genuine experts get in control.
There are a lot of other instances in software where people end up being hurt because they were told off for not managing to reach certain standards of quality, and those people being emotional and entitled leads to drama and ultimately to shaming the technical people for being too ruthless in their quest for correctness.
Very often appearance
Re: Who could have guessed it? (Score:5, Insightful)
I get what you're saying. I think there is a balance needed here as in most areas of life.
Imagine a very famous and important developer. He is well known for not having a lot of patience with crap code, nor with the people who submit it.
And his typical reaction tends to be: "This code sucks, all your code sucks, you suck, and you should go p*ss off until you get your crap together, which you probably never will, because you're a mucking foron."
It does make the point. But so would this:
"You've submitted several patches now that don't measure up to the quality standards for this project, because (reasons). We simply can't accept code like this. I would very much like to see you become a contributing and important member of our community. But next time try to avoid (reasons) and if you aren't sure about something, ask one of my lieutenants, and he or she can probably point you in a good direction."
The key is being able to teach people, some of them Aspies like myself, how to aim for the latter response, and not the former. Because how you say things, not just what you say, matters, and can make the difference between helping to create a solid and reliable developer on one hand, versus discouraging him to the point where he signs on to Microsoft to develop the next version of Clippy. :)
Re:Who could have guessed it? (Score:5, Funny)
Re: Who could have guessed it? (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah, imagine how much Rust will suffer without a bunch of toddlers squalling at them all the time.
Re: Who could have guessed it? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: Who could have guessed it? (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually the moderation team is very technical, and they contribute to rust code wise. They're actually resigning not just over the nepotistic hiring of an SJW with a history of causing drama, violating codes of conduct that she's supposed to enforce, and making repeated sexist and racist comments. They're resigning because a person like this isn't accountable to anybody.
https://www.reddit.com/r/progr... [reddit.com]
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Well, one thing I can say for certain is that if your accusations are correct she's not SJW. And insofar as she is SJW, your accusations are false. Which is it?
Re: Who could have guessed it? (Score:5, Insightful)
SJW is another term for a specific kind of narcissism. Narcissists feed off of anything that draws attention to themselves or makes them feel superior to another person, and they often obtain that gratification by attacking other people and doing what they can to make them feel like shit.
SJWs get their gratification from two main sources:
1) Competing at the Oppression Olympics and getting the gold by drawing attention to themselves as being the most oppressed by society, thereby invalidating the views and experiences of anybody perceived being less oppressed or at a social disadvantage than they are.
2) Gaslighting other people by doing things like claiming that they're more woke, calling other people racist, homophobic, etc, for doing innocuous things that otherwise have nothing to do with race or whatever it is they're shaming over, and making sure that other people know just how much they denounce the societal sins of others (i.e virtue signaling) regardless of whether or not they've committed said sin. Their highest high comes from getting sinners cancelled.
Through either method, their main goal is to become some sort of celebrity. Their main currency is how well they're supported by other SJWs, and sometimes they play the game of thrones to bring down other powerful SJWs. Think like how AOC once attacked Bernie for not being SJW enough.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne... [dailymail.co.uk]
As you notice, alliances quickly change in the game of thrones.
Re: Who could have guessed it? (Score:4, Interesting)
If he wasn't trying to make us look stupid, he was plotting and manipulating management. Claiming his ways sped up the design process by a factor of three in comparison to my approach. His code failed misserably later in the project, had to clean his mess up.
He was convinced that the rules don't apply to him because you know, he is brilliant. Always bashing the qa team that their design rules were too limiting and wrong. Wrote his own which he forced on the staff. Etc. Etc.
Once stormed to the office assistant to complain that the questions on her survey were dubious. Came back silent with a very red face and was quiet the rest of the day. That was fun.
So he left the company voluntary after an undisclosed conflict with the CEO. (Told "the truth" to a very high profile customer, mothercompany got involved) Introvert guy and me go through his designs. He was working on it for weeks. Introvert guy fixes design in three days. All the things that "weren't possible" were added. Design exceeded expectations solved some key issues and was cheaper to produce.
Long story short: These noisy prodigy types do more damage than good. Yes, there are brilliant radiant dominant people out there that are worth the trouble. But in my experience the fake once are a big majority.
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This whole concept that wokeness and cancelling means "holding people accountable" is B.S. because the people who determine what you should be accountable for are neither accountable themselves nor held to any standards. Things Barack Obama ran on and that Jesse Jackson said in a speech in the last twenty years would get you cancelled.
The next step is to hold them accountable for the chaos they cause, the toxicity they bring. Not every problem has to result in scorched Earth. But if you live by it, you w
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Hmm. I'm not sure that Star Trek analogues quite have the erudition and gravitas that you think they do.
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You're talking to someone called EurinalPoop. You should probably adjust your expectations.
Re: Who could have guessed it? (Score:3)
Extremists of any kind are narcissist clowns who end up destroying the world for the most part to feel superior and feed their own egos.
That's why they need to be kept away from the grownups and locked in their rooms for their napie-naps.
Re: Who could have guessed it? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Rust always increases friction among parts (Score:5, Funny)
Re: Rust always increases friction among parts (Score:2)
But it's still right behind you.
Does anyone besides the moderation team care? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Does anyone besides the moderation team care? (Score:5, Interesting)
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There is no measurable difference between a "moderation team" and "thought police".
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Moderate the community.
If the language's community is toxic the language will probably fail, no matter how good it is. Languages can only gain major traction if there is a way for people to learn and get involved with it. More over, Rush relies on technical contributions from many people, and if they stop contributing because of bad behaviour from other members of the community then the language suffers.
As an example, look at Slashdot. For years it was plagued by trolls abusing the moderation system, and th
Re: Does anyone besides the moderation team care? (Score:2, Interesting)
Perl, Python, C, PHP never had a moderator team before they became popular. It seems Rust is not becoming popular partially because of the social justice moderation.
Why would you contribute to a language if you have to worry about all sorts of non-technical details that donâ(TM)t matter in the real world and continuously changing social norms that they refuse to put in writing.
Re:Does anyone besides the moderation team care? (Score:4, Interesting)
I highly doubt Slashdot's decline had anything to do with trolls or the moderation system. Frankly the same problems still exist and there's no good way to fix them that isn't a cure worse than the disease. If anything, the drift away from its roots and the plethora of other sites that do a better job than Slashdot have meant that there's competition for eyeballs that didn't exist in the heyday of the site. The aging user base means that every year there will be fewer and fewer of us left around.
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Python has a strong community with a Code of Conduct. C was the best tool available and got a lot of corporate backing, and Java was corporate backed from the start.
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Ending toxicity by being toxic as fuck to 'wrong-think'. Delighted to see a project that wears its CoC so proudly is reaping the rewards.
Usage, rather than community moderation is key. (Score:4, Insightful)
Languages gain traction when there is usage, but that usage is often the byproduct of another project:
- C and C++ may have garnered usage from being at the core of much of the Linux ecosystem
- Swift usage is enforced by Apple, and participating in the Apple space is lucrative
- There's no real alternative to Javascript if one deals with web frontends
It's not that a community and guidelines are harmful, rather that they are not always keys to adoption.
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My point was about languages without some commercial or academic backing. They have to rely on their community support.
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C was popular in the 80s, well before the first line of Linux was ever written. C has always been intricately tied to UNIX and UNIX-like OSes like Linux.
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It's gotten better how?
I feel the moderation of my comments is very arbitrary... probably depends a lot on the time of day.
Comments are moderated based on agreement with the point made, not the validity of the facts and logic therein.
In my opinion, this used to be better if far from perfect. I will grant that it might be observational bias. I recognize that I have changed my tune since the first time I stumbled over this site.
Re: Does anyone besides the moderation team care? (Score:2)
I've never seen moderation make any positive impact on anything on the Internet.
If anything is because there was no moderation in the initial Slashdot that it was so popular.
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Technology is more or less a meritocracy, and, unfortunately, some folks with great techical skills lack don't necessarily have the best people skills. I won't name names, other than that I'm one of them, albeit usually not by choice. I'm sure we all know such people. I'm pretty sure some of us *are* such people.
There is sometimes a need to encourage better behavior, and a good (not excessively divisive or insane) code of conduct might play a useful role in doing that. But if you need an entire team to
Re: Does anyone besides the moderation team care? (Score:2)
If the language only has a single community, it will probably fail.
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I didn't even know that Rust had a "moderation team".
That's one indication they were doing their job well, I'd say.
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Not necessarily. If they'd been stirring up controversy left and right until now, you might have heard from them as well.
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Re: Does anyone besides the moderation team care? (Score:2)
I didn't know it had a "Core Team" either, but I have opinions on how their project should be run.
Re: Does anyone besides the moderation team care? (Score:5, Funny)
Codes of Conduct are neuronormative style guides designed to exclude neurodivergente with Autistic, Asperger's, Tourette, Coprolaliac, Codependency, and a few other psychological syndromes, from participating in a community.
Moderators, in turn, are there to enforce all participants follow the aforementioned neuronormative style guide, with power to expel non-compliant members, thus making sure the ratio of neuronormatives to neurodivergents stays as high as possible, ideally approaching 100%.
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Where "neuronormative" is defined as the profile currently supported by internet/media trendsetting.
Re: Does anyone besides the moderation team care? (Score:3)
Yet neurodivergent tend to be better coders.
Re: Does anyone besides the moderation team care (Score:2)
Yeah, but they're too busy writing code to pay attention to what's going on in the community.
Re: Does anyone besides the moderation team care? (Score:4, Interesting)
Codes of Conduct are neuronormative style guides designed to exclude neurodivergente with Autistic, Asperger's, Tourette, Coprolaliac, Codependency, and a few other psychological syndromes, from participating in a community.
Lol, that's hilariously incorrect. Well done on being shitty while not knowing what you'e talking about.
If anything, Codes of Conduct help such folks participate in a community because they clearly lay out what the expecatations are and thus membership doesn't require social skills to determine what the unwriten rules of conduct are. For a lot of people on the spectrum, trying to figure out how to engage with other people is very, very hard. Providing a framework for how to do that is often very helpful, and is actually a common tool used to help kids on the autism spectrum.
Re: Does anyone besides the moderation team care? (Score:4, Informative)
I am on the spectrum. (That form of autism previously identified as Asperger's.)
I can't say I like a lot of the recent Codes of Conduct, on account of being excessively divisive among other reasons.
But I do have to admit that having them does help me to understand what is expected, and, therefore, whether I feel I can potentially be a useful and not excessively problematic part of their corresponding communities.
E.g., no real need for me to join a group or community that requires that I violate my religious beliefs, which some do. I will not do that, but I also will not knowingly inject myself into a community that has stated up front that I am not entitled to those beliefs. I don't see any good that would come of that, so, if I can learn those rules and restrictions up front, I can save both them and myself the aggravation.
Re: Does anyone besides the moderation team care? (Score:3)
Spectrals did fine communicating on the Internet for decades before the idea of SJW'ing the Internet became a thing. It's the SJWs who refuse to learn and adapt to the social norms that already existed on the Internet.
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I only wish I were neurotypical
That isn't as relevant as you may think it is. If you are neuroatypical but reject neurodivergent modes of socialization, what it says is that you either are a high-functioning neurodivergent who can navigate neurotypical environments with relative ease and is generalizing from your personal anecdotical evidence, or you internalized neurotypical negative attitudes towards neurodivergence, or both.
I'll give one example where this attitude of yours fails to consider the broader picture. I referred Coprolalia.
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You don't want to think about who else might use the same arguments you're using, and also be right.
Ahhh! So we got to the bottom of the issue! You don't care about neurodivergents needs, you care about your in-group, about whether being for this or that position helps it and/or hinders your in-group's designed other-group!
Indeed, "high-functioning neurodivergent" with "internalized neurotypical negative attitudes" describes it. And also, with some reasonable likelihood, at one of the two so-called "conventional stages" of moral cognition in Kohlberg's scale, most likely stage 4:
"In Stage four (authority
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The idea that there is some kind of grand conspiracy to make life harder for them is fucking ridiculous. In an at-will state, we'd simply get rid of the folks on the spectrum if we didn't want them around. The fact is, they're highly productive as long as you go a little out of you
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I'm guessing that no one else is particularly saddened by this and the project won't suffer given these individuals had no technical contributions.
I always find it amusing when people make statements such as this considering the daily (sometimes multiple times per day) we hear of something going wrong because those making technical contributions royally fucked up, didn't listen to input from non-technical people, or took shortcuts because they knew what they were doing.
You know how the open source community likes to brag that with more eyes viewing code problems can be found and fixed? These techincal folks are the exact opposite of that.
The core team should be accountable... (Score:3)
Let's finalize the spec and have a programming language we can all use without fear of bitrot.
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That's all end users are entitled to, unless there's money on the table.
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"End users" probably do even less than the moderation team (whatever that team did!) ...
Moderation Team: Helping uphold the code of conduct and community standards
I interpret that as meaning they're responsible for moderating social media content originating within the Rust development organization and trying to ensure that none of the team members goes "Epstein".
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Tempest in teapot (Score:5, Insightful)
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You already care more than I did, so yea, sure, I guess.
Re: Tempest in teapot (Score:2)
What's rust?
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Stuff that makes your crap crumble and break down.
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Multiplayer survival game that came out in 2018 after spending 5 years in early access. Sold 9m copies and had a big revival this past January due to some very popular Twitch streams.
Re: Tempest in teapot (Score:3)
Mostly known for permanently small-dicked avatars.
If there was an actual problem (Score:2)
Was this moderation team was created to solve an actual, real problem? Was people upset about things other people said really harming the work? If so, the solution is simple. Just two rules:
A) Try not to be an asshole
B) Don't take it personally when someone is an asshole
Note that rule B does NOT say "unless someone is an asshole". Quite the opposite, it says "when someone is an asshole". The fact that *someone else* was grumpy is not a good reason to get *your* panties in a wad. You are responsible for *y
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B) Don't take it personally when someone is an asshole
Note that rule B does NOT say "unless someone is an asshole". Quite the opposite, it says "when someone is an asshole". The fact that *someone else* was grumpy is not a good reason to get *your* panties in a wad. You are responsible for *your* words. What somebody else said is none of your damn business.
So when an asshole makes a personal attack, as assholes are prone to do, don't take it personally?
Well this I must say is about the most aggressively stu
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Re:If there was an actual problem (Score:5, Interesting)
I once naively thought that decreasing religious belief would result in a better, more rational population, but little did I know that the moral busybody old church ladies would trade their police scanners fro Twitter accounts and spew their own new form of moral stupidity.
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Why get upset about what some asshole on the internet says when they can just be ignored?
If your feelings are really so fragile go build your own bubble
It's not about fragility or any of the shit you're whining about.
People are trying to build a community. If the community is full of assholes, then non assholes will eventually drift away. It's happened with me and I didn't even notice it. I was active on a C++ standards usenet group (or mailing list? I forget) ages ago. It was about 90% reasonable people,
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If you really can't abide the occasional asshole, then it's really on you to go build a new community, alone or with likeminded individuals, and set your standards. Ot
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So when an asshole makes a personal attack, as assholes are prone to do, don't take it personally?
Ding ding ding.... we have a winner!!
Well this I must say is about the most aggressively stupid post I've read on the internet today. I also have it on good authority that you are as ugly as you are stupid, your breath stinks and your immediate family might have been implicated in bestiality.
Giving a shit about the garbage like this does not pay the bills or get any work done. It accomplishes nothing and is therefore trivially ignored.
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Ding ding ding.... we have a winner!!
Ding ding we have a fuckwit.
Take it personally, because it is personal. Don't get worked up because assholes ain't worth it. But don't lie to yourself that it isn't personal.
Giving a shit about the garbage like this does not pay the bills or get any work done.
ding ding we have a winner!
And that's why most communities don't want to be garbage: they'll be ignored. Few people want to sift through garbage for nuggets of gold.
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I tend to only take personal attacks serious from people whose opinion actually matters to me.
You live a much more enjoyable life if you stop caring for the opinion of idiots.
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I tend to only take personal attacks serious from people whose opinion actually matters to me.
Indeed, though dumping their comments into the metaphorical garbage bin still takes time and mental effort. When someone acts like a dick, I'll roll my eyes and move on, but I prefer spending time in places where I don't need to do that.
You live a much more enjoyable life if you stop caring for the opinion of idiots.
Also not keeping their company. Which is why many communities now want to kick out idiots because wh
Re: If there was an actual problem (Score:2)
created to solve an actual, real problem?
Yeah. The problem that, no matter how good your product is, it probably will not be adopted by another project if you do not have an SJW group overseeing it.
Re: If there was an actual problem (Score:2)
That assertion is hilarious. I've never once worked at a company that even considered for a moment what kind of social media policy a programming language has. That's not how any of this works.
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If someone is an a**hole to me? I can take it. I just shake my head and move on.
If someone provokes me to behave in an a**hole-ish way? That's a bigger problem, because I'm not responsible for anyone else's behavior, but I am responsible for my own, and anything that provokes or tempts me to acting like an a**hole is something I want to avoid.
Now, for the real problem. People being a**holes to others, perhaps toward others for whom I care or respect. I have a LOT of problems with that. I don't like bu
Independent governance is best (Score:5, Insightful)
I can only compare to Java, C, and C++ which are the most stable and arguably most successful languages in history (aside from say COBOL which is still around). Java has and has had a community process for almost all its life, to ensure that only changes that were/are beneficial and sensible (for the very most part) were/are incorporated into the language. These people are not necessarily the core team of developers who work on the language and its tools. In fact many if not most of them are not. It stops the core developers from putting in shiny cool things (to them) into the language and in general makes the language stable, more usable, and less esoteric. Java, C, and C++ have similar governance [livablesoftware.com] (the latter two having an ISO standard). I may be wrong but this article makes it sound like Rust is de facto being run in the opposite manner. It makes me hesitant to even look at it.
Re: Independent governance is best (Score:2)
From what I understand by RTFA is that this is more about people code of conduct etc and not as much about evolution of the language itself.
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Someone should probably tell them that in software development, code of product is more important than code of conduct.
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If you need a moderation team. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:If you need a moderation team. (Score:4, Insightful)
So you've never been part of an internet community that anyone can join, eh?
You're going to be shocked when you finally join one and realize that everyone gets overrun by trolls at some point and has to come up with some way to mitigate them.
Good riddance (Score:3)
As far as I'm personally concerned, good riddance to this mod team. Last time I've checked, Rust was a programming language, not an internet forum, and as such it doesn't need moderation. Unless the term "moderation team" isn't some fancy word for police, but I doubt Rust needs that, either. Can anyone imagine Linus being "held accountable" by some Linux community moderation team? I can't either, and it needs to stay this way.
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Never underestimate how large the intersection between self importance and self righteousness is particularly in some sections of the dev "community". They just love that taste of power telling others how to think, behave and do while usually contributing the square root of FA themselves to the actual job at hand.
Andre Bogus? (Score:2)
FTA:
"To that point, the outgoing team is just three members, Andre Bogus"
If true and not a heinous joke then it is a most excellent name and the moderation team should party on dudes!
The Rust team ... (Score:2)
Incomplete understanding (Score:5, Interesting)
My incomplete understanding is that the core team is not made up of developers -- it is some kind of guidance committee. The moderation team, on the other hand, had multiple important Rust library developers.
There is some speculation that a newish member of the core team has a bit of a misandry problem and that she is ignoring code-of-conduct recommendations from the moderation team.
Re:Incomplete understanding (Score:5, Insightful)
This entire thread is worthless if 90% of the comments are assuming that "core team" is the A Ark and "moderation team" is the B Ark, only it's the other way around.
This is why I dimmed on Slashdot: huge worthless conversations about worthless conversations because the actual Slashdot submission failed to clarify terms from the outset. I'm all for a giant worthwhile conversation about worthless conversations (who doesn't love piling on?), but I'm not sticking around for worthless about worthless.
[*] Formally the Golgafrinchan Ark Fleet Ship B.
Is there nowhere safe from the Cult of Woke (Score:2)
Woke Racism: How a New Religion Has Betrayed Black America [amazon.co.uk]
Don't you need documents to moderate? (Score:2)
And given that software developers and software engineers never write comments or documentation, doesn't this mean there is no need for moderators to moderate the language in documents that don't get written?
Sorry, I'll let myself out now.
What I'e learned from this (Score:2, Insightful)
1. Anyone using the terms SJW and Woke are probably ignorant of their meaning
2. Rust modules in Linux might be best put on pause until the dust settles - best to know if Rust is going in a healthy direction or not
3. Moderation teams are, in effect, useless if their only power is to delete themselves
Ok (Score:2)
Hire a new moderation team if you need one, then move on. Where is the problem?
Re: (Score:3)
So.... more code of product, less code of conduct.
Not the intended effect (Score:2)
People whose job is to be a gatekeeper, will always want gates to keep, and if there aren't, they will build them.
The magic of the Internet (Score:2)
is that what was before happening only in schoolyards is now for everyone to see. Not that it changes much about if you should care or not, though.
github down? (Score:2)
I go and look up what all the ruckus is about and I see that github is down....
Are the two things related or is github just always down now?
Ahahahahaha (Score:3)
Re: (Score:2)
It's stuff that corrodes away the stuff that props your machinery up.
Re: What's "rust"? (Score:2)
What's "rust"?
Never sleeps.