Developer Site CodeZoo Launches 78
acomj writes "Developer resource site CodeZoo launched today. An archive of Java code pieces, which plans to do for Java what cpan did for Perl, according to an announcement from O'Reilly." From the announcement: "We're not focused on hosting developer projects, like SourceForge, nor on comprehensively listing all open source Java code. Instead, we've hand-selected a list of the components we think will be the easiest and best to use in your development projects -- whether you are an open source or commercial developer."
Fool me once (Score:5, Funny)
Obviously no Java people were involved in naming (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Obviously no Java people were involved in namin (Score:2)
CodeZoo =?= Kudzu
Codehaus (Score:5, Informative)
What about other platforms? (Score:5, Informative)
> Codehaus is a similar site with a lot of cool stuff.
There's also boost [boost.org] for C++ developers. It is not a large repository but it contains important building blocks.
I wonder if there is any decent code repository for
Re:What about other platforms? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:What about other platforms? (Score:2, Funny)
You mean, besides
Re:What about other platforms? (Score:1)
> I wonder if there is any decent code repository for .NET
http://www.codeproject.com/ [codeproject.com] has a lot of good .NET projects. Many of them are well documented by the authors in accompanying articles.
Re:What about other platforms? (Score:2)
Also, developer.com [developer.com] which used to be branded as gamelan. They do .Net but they also do Java, Perl, PHP, *TML, etc.
Re:What about other platforms? (Score:2)
Maven Repository (Score:2)
OSS project binaries are there -ready to use, with a well known layout (project/jars/artifact-version.jar). So under
http://www.ibiblio.org/maven/ant/ [ibiblio.org] live all the ant stuff, and if I know I want 1.6.2, its URL can be constructed.
The nice thing about this is tools can construct and use them automatically. Maven does this already, Ant1,7 will do so later in the year, as will the SmartFrog d
Could be an amazing time saver (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes there are some warts, not all of the code in CPAN is perfect, some of it might very well be broken...but on the whole the repository has high quality code.
I would suspect every language/toolkit would want something like this.
Re:Could be an amazing time saver (Score:3, Informative)
#perl -MCPAN -e shell
Re:Could be an amazing time saver (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Bullshit. CPAN SUCKS! (Score:1, Insightful)
CPAN handles that automatically, otherwise you'd either not be using the module or installng dependencies by hand. It's no different from apt-get.
Re:Bullshit. CPAN SUCKS! (Score:5, Informative)
So let me get this right. Your 'corporate firewall' makes it difficult for you to access CPAN and this means "CPAN SUCKS" ?
The first step in using CPAN from behind a firewall is to install the latest version [cpan.org] of CPAN.pm. This might involve manually downloading the tarball and running 'make install', but it will be well worth that small effort.
The next step depends on your preference. I'd recommend installing wget [gnu.org]. It works nicely with 'corporate firewalls' and CPAN.pm works nicely with wget.
Then you can use
and sit back and watch the dependecies resolve themselves - works for meRe:Bullshit. CPAN SUCKS! (Score:1, Flamebait)
open source *or* commercial? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:open source *or* commercial? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:open source *or* commercial? (Score:1)
Re:open source *or* commercial? (Score:1)
Re:open source *or* commercial? (Score:2, Funny)
Customer: "Hmmm, I think I'll have the chicken or the fish."
You: "Good choice, sir!"
Not Just Java... (Score:5, Informative)
CodeZoo is launching with a directory of Java components, and from there, we hope to move into other languages. Let us know where you think we should go next! (We've already gotten one request for Lisp...)
Also:
On every page, you'll find links to O'Reilly and Safari content to help you learn more about the components you want to use.
Browsing around I don't see this, but it sounds like a pretty cool idea.
Re:Not Just Java... (Score:1)
A change for the Better (Score:3, Insightful)
Attempts to find genuineuley free re-targetable components has, only because of SUN, been much harder in Java than, say Perl.
Good luck.
Documentation? (Score:5, Insightful)
There's enough code on the C?AN to make finding anything impossible without help.
Re:Documentation? (Score:4, Interesting)
An Open Source portable pure Java game library with example games, Swing-based sprite animation engine, deployment framework, and firewall tunneling networking. The code is documented in the book Advanced Java Game Programming by David Wallace Croft.
Yes, nice... A book. Offer a package, but don't document it.
I don't mean to sound like a wet blanket and all, but I think this is something that is being hyped up too much before it's given a shot at reality. I do commend them for their efforts on getting it started though.
Here is my contribution ... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Here is my contribution ... (Score:2)
Where's the meat? (Score:3, Interesting)
already does? A brief look at CodeZoo shows that
most of the projects are hosted on SourceForge already.
Re:Where's the meat? (Score:2)
Next we can stop reading the titles too and just talk about.... umm... you know, whatever.
This is great....but..... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:This is great....but..... (Score:3, Insightful)
That also neatly explains why those of us who have _not_ committed to a package based system do not want this...
Damn table of contents (Score:5, Funny)
Why CPAN works (Score:5, Interesting)
In other words, the barrier to entry is incredibly low, and you get free worldwide distribution off the back of it.
Now in spite of this, there are some incredibly high quality pieces of software uploaded to CPAN every week (there's a lot of junk there too). A lot of people complain about the junk and cry for a way to filter it out, but honestly I think it's actually a bonus - the people who write junk today may produce master works tomorrow and we don't want to discourage them (I went through that same process myself with my earlier CPAN efforts).
There's been some pretty good stuff written about the success of CPAN elsewhere. I would urge those working on this project to find those articles and read them.
Re:Why CPAN works (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Why CPAN works (Score:3, Informative)
I think you're right that CPAN got going because of its open access and wide distribution. But I also think it's a different world now than it was when CPAN started. Sourceforge, CodeHaus, and others have made it easy for developers to get that kind of distribution -- and much more, such as bug tracking and announcement lists -- for free and for any language. Many of the needs CPAN fulfilled no longer are as pressing.
CPAN's utility for developers, though, continues, and that's what I hope CodeZoo
Hmm, I use both CPAN and Java (Score:5, Informative)
Java's big attraction was that it came with 'CPAN', that is, the Java API. Java API has equivlants of Net::Socket, Net::SMTP, LWP and File::IO. These were big plusses back when it arrive circa 1995.
What i don't see in this OReilly yet are Date::Calc, Text::Autoformat or such.
See also: http://www.manageability.org/blog/opensource/view [manageability.org] and0 0975 [johnmunsch.com] (can't seem to get the darn '#' working in /.)
http://www.johnmunsch.com/archives/2004_07.html#0
A library censored by the librarians (Score:3, Insightful)
It's the "Hand Picked" part of the description that's the problem.
Who needs a library which is censored by the librarians. Isn't it better to have a library consisting of *all* available applets/applications and have the user community rate them for quality and ease of use?
"Hand Picked" & problem? Your not serious. (Score:2, Insightful)
Under your ideology you will never find what you are looking for because everyone is offering the same damned thing with their own creative touches, your better off writing the code from scratch then!
Re:A library censored by the librarians (Score:1, Interesting)
Obviously you're not familiar with one of the major functions of a librarian.
Isn't it better to have a library consisting of *all* available applets/applications and have the user community rate them for quality and ease of use?
Better? No. Different and equally valid, yes.
No.
Re:A library censored by the librarians (Score:2)
There may be some editorial bias, but this is more of an act of compiling and presenting as opposed to supressing.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they have commercial interests -- say selling their own books. But O'Reilly at least has an honest reuptation in that field (unless they've become evil and I missed a memo or something =)
Because having someone distill it for you is very nice,
Re:A library censored by the librarians (Score:5, Insightful)
Censorship can occur because of too much noise as well as too little information. A good librarian can improve the ratio.
For example 90% of modern mass marketing is the suppression of free, useful speech. Just look at the typical informative (ha!) car or shampoo ad.
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Are you a creator or a consumer?
Re:A library censored by the librarians (Score:2)
I worry more about the book references (Score:4, Interesting)
Language Independent Libraries? (Score:5, Interesting)
These days much has changed in terms of cross-platform software. People write code for libraries and api's rather than particular processors. Compliance standards like Posix and runtime layers like Apache's APR take out some of the low-level drudgery. Libraries like Mono and GnuStep are trying to bring the API's themselves into open source utility.
While this Java library sounds like a great thing, why write it specific to Java? Like those magazine articles of old, it seems like there'd be a demand for a variety of program ideas, tutorials demonstrating the construction, and a language specialist who'd take the program and customize for a particular language, platform, and or api set.
I know that cpan thrives because of the strong perl advocacy, but the idea here is for computer science advocacy with specialization to illustrate how the idea could be done implemented in Visual Basic versus Java versus Objective-C versus Python and on and on. Some of the best knowledge I learned about Object Oriented Programming didn't sink in until I specifically took a look at a program trying to do the same task in C, Java, and Smalltalk. While the Haskell advocates may not ever have the manpower to write comparative tutorials with procedural languages, they might be able to implement a few of the programs to give a Haskell newbie a leap on the big changes in mindset rather than just the syntax of a procedural langauge.
Would such an archive be profitable? Who knows. In no way am I trying to knock the new Java zoo, but just idlely speculating about ways that some of these great language specific libraries and tutorials might be made a bit more independent :-)
Re:Language Independent Libraries? (Score:1)
Where well indexed searchable archives exist they are a real boon
where they do not exist it says a lot about the vitality, community and opennes of the language set
Re:Language Independent Libraries? (Score:2, Interesting)
This, more than any other reason* is why there are only pockets of FLWs in the vast sea of imperative programme
Re:Language Independent Libraries? (Score:2)
(Frankly, I also think that Java is overburdened with many standard ways
Anything for PYTHON (Score:1)
Kudzu? (Score:2)