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Dreamweaver MX, Flash MX With CrossOver Office 333

Posted by timothy from the dwindling-excuses dept.
AstroDrabb writes "It seems that CodeWeavers' CrossOver Office 2.1 now supports Dreamweaver MX and Flash MX. So for those who have been waiting to ditch MS Windows because of these two apps, now is your chance. The announcement from CodeWeavers can be found here and the changelog can be found here. The list of supported applications is also getting pretty impressive."
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  • Can I sync my IPAQ? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by laptime ( 306086 )
    iIs it possible to sync a ipaq using codeweavers? I tried multisync but it is still buggy.

    I am stick on win4lin now, but I have to admit that cw seems impressive.

    G.
    • You could install linux (gpe or opie) on your ipaq, and use the built-in pim functions. The pim should be able to sync to your desktop apps, although I didn't try it yet. See http://www.handhelds.org for more information.
    • Have you tried synce? I finally gave installing it a shot a few days ago, and have been really happy with the results so far using Debian Unstable to synch with an ipaq. It even integrates with konqueror, so I can just copy and paste files right into the ipaq.

  • Hold your horses about switching (Score:5, Informative)

    by Heartz ( 562803 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @04:51AM (#7326814) Homepage
    Both of the apps only have a bronze medal From the crossover site [codeweavers.com] :
    Bronze Medal The bronze is awarded to applications that install and run, and that can accomplish some portion of their fundamental mission.
    However, bronze applications generally have enough bugs that we recommend that our customers not depend on their functionality. The most important aspect of a bronze application is that CodeWeavers makes a firm commitment to bring all bronze applications to the silver level in future releases of CrossOver.
    You can't have that if you want to switch and are highly dependant on it. Users will just get frustrated. Both of the apps only have a bronze medal

    • Re:Hold your horses about switching (Score:5, Informative)

      by jeremy_white ( 598942 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @07:26AM (#7327200) Homepage
      We have a policy to always start an application at Bronze level.

      We know the reality of Wine - it can be very promising, but fail in important ways. So, we try to help our customers be cautious in their adoption. For example, Photoshop, which actually is one of the very best performing applications in CrossOver (it is in heavy use to make major motion pictures), started at Bronze, and is now only at Silver.

      With that said, we have found Dreamweaver to be very complete, with only a few remaining bugs. And we have yet to find a bug in Flash... (but we didn't try as hard there).

      Cheers,

      Jeremy White CEO CodeWeavers

      • In my daily work I've found Dreamweaver MX to be quite buggy and unstable even running natively on Windows, and I still manage to "depend" on in meaning that it's the first application I reach for. Of course, productive work on websites doesn't depend on using such a tool, and if it fails I can always use a vi-alike.
      • I downloaded your trial yesterday and noticed that things earlier reported to not work at all, very much did work, with little/no difficulty. I've been mighty impressed and intend to buy a license as soon as I've got the hardware to run it. (PS7 via Crossover on a PII 450 just isn't as smooth as one would like it to be.)

  • IE (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MooCows ( 718367 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @04:53AM (#7326819)
    Running Internet Explorer on Linux?
    That's pretty impressive/terrifying indeed.
    • Most people go "oooh what's the point in that, stupid Wine developers", but actually we put quite a bit of effort into making IE run correctly because so many other programs rely on it (or rather, its components) being there and functioning.

      NB: I don't work for CodeWeavers, but if you can get it to install IE works pretty well on WineHQ. Suitable for light browsing certainly.

    • even windows update works due to the ~/.crossover/fake_windows stuff :)

      See This screenshot [awoot.com] and This one [awoot.com]
    • Actually you can't run IE on Linux. That's because IE isn't a product anymore, it's actually an operating system (IE == Windows). You'll have to get VMWARE to run Windows on Linux... sorry...
      p.s. just kidding eh

  • along with photoshop, macromedia products have been the most requested for codeweavers support, bar none, so this is excellent news... (btw, all you dreamweaver-bashers; yes, flash is often a bad idea, but no dreamweaver doesn't produce bloated code unless you have no idea what you're doing ;-) )

    however, note that dreamweaver/flash are only at 'bronze medal' status

    bronze applications generally have enough bugs that we recommend that our customers not depend on their functionality.

    still good, as they

    • you should read before you post, and here is a nice explanation of bronze medal

      http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8 38 13&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&tid=126&tid=152&tid= 163&tid=185&mode=thread&pid=7326814#732720 0
    • " but no dreamweaver doesn't produce bloated code unless you have no idea what you're doing ;-) )"

      Ah, therein lies the rub: those who use Dreamweaver are usually the type that indeed has no idea what they are doing, thus the bloated code.

      I know of few Web developers who use Dreamweaver (well, Web developers worth crap, that is) as their primary tool. At least MX let's you code in a non-WYSIWYG manner more easily, but the software itself is bloated, not terribly user-friendly, and expensive.

  • Just as they release (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Albanach ( 527650 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @04:58AM (#7326834) Homepage
    Dreamweaver and Flash MX 2004, we can run the previous version on Linux. These are big commercial apps - their availability on Linux would be a great boost to the OS, but only if they arrive with Macromedia support.

    Some smaller developers may well take up the older versions under linux - certainly there could be benefits for testing on a local machine that's already running Apache, PHP & mysql, but bigger developers will want latest releases to stay up to date in the marketplace.

    • And what, exactly, do the 2004 versions of these web-design behemoths do that earlier versions can't... that web designers NEED?

      "Stay up to date in the marketplace" is about the weakest reason I've seen anywhere. That's like saying "Let's jump on .Net because it's new, even though Java works great for us".

      The idea that the latest, shiny app must get used is indicative, to me anyway, of the immature nature of the web design industry. Gandalf's Theory (the one about breaking shit for the sake of it = stup

    • I don't know about Flash, but I use Dreamweaver a lot for the web-related aspects of my job (mostly building ColdFusion apps) and I can tell you firsthand that there aren't that many big differences between Dreamweaver MX and 2004. Other than the CSS improvements (which, honestly are quite nice) I'd say that there are few big reasons to upgrade. Macromedia has a page with the changes here [macromedia.com].

      At least for me this is A-OK

  • impressive list? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Grummet ( 161532 )
    I dunno - the list of supported apps includes a lot of "known to not work" apps in it.

    call me stupid, but, if they don't work how the heck
    can you say they are supported?

    looks like somebody was just trying to fluff up the list so they could get attention.

    ttwisi

    - jeff -

  • Good, I suppose (Score:5, Interesting)

    by unoengborg ( 209251 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @05:10AM (#7326854) Homepage
    I don't know if this is god or bad.

    It's good as it allows people to use a popular windows app in Linux x86. But it's bad because now there is less pressure on Macromedia to develop a native port or for somebody else to write a free Dreamweaver killer.

    I personally would have preferred if some good programer had enhanced Mozilla composer to the same level of feature richnes as the Macromedia suite. That way not only x86 Linux users would have a content development tool but also users of other Linux platforms would have a good content development tool. Not to mention that it would also likely have run on Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, MacOS-X and windows.

    • Re:Good, I suppose (Score:5, Insightful)

      by IamTheRealMike ( 537420 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @05:27AM (#7326896)
      It's good as it allows people to use a popular windows app in Linux x86. But it's bad because now there is less pressure on Macromedia to develop a native port or for somebody else to write a free Dreamweaver killer.

      I think this argument is rather academic. Being able to use popular apps in Linux is undoubtably good, however the "bad" arguments rely on two flawed assumptions:

      1) Macromedia might one day do a native port. Not going to happen anytime soon guys. Dreamweaver is a huge app, and I'd be willing to bet that (as with most apps) the majority of the code is platform specific GUI and graphics calls. It would take a truly astonishing amount of manpower to port it to say GTK+, make it fully integrate and so on, and it just isn't economically viable while Linux has only 1% of the desktop market. Even if we had 5% or 10% we'd still be pushing our luck - a port in this sense often means a rewrite.

      2) That we'd have an open source dreamweaver killer anytime soon. Quanta is about the only thing that comes close, and while a great effort, is not a Dreamweaver killer. It might be one day, but that's yet another long term dream.

      Basically, the best way out of a bad situation here is via emulation, which is exactly what we're doing.

      • 5 or 10% would be pushing our luck?! Please don't tell that to all the Mac users out there. I think their ever-shrinking 5% demographic would be shocked to find no Macromedia apps. I remember using Photoshop 4 for Unix on some SGI hardware a long time ago..now THAT'S a niche market if I ever saw one.

        Not real sure if Adobe even makes Photoshop for Unix anymore. Basically, a group of folks have to get together and use their buying power to influence a port. If there were enough people lined up to buy Macro
        • 5 or 10% would be pushing our luck?! Please don't tell that to all the Mac users out there. I think their ever-shrinking 5% demographic would be shocked to find no Macromedia apps. I remember using Photoshop 4 for Unix on some SGI hardware a long time ago..now THAT'S a niche market if I ever saw one.

          I could be wrong, though I'd expect that if Linux and MacOS had the same market share, and Macromedia supported both equally, it would still mean more sales of Macromedia products to Mac users vs. Linux users.

      • Well, there are other dreamweaver killers in the workings check out Kafka (http://kafka.kde.org/mailinglist.htm)
        The project is still in very early stages, but give it a year or two.

        And I also think that you overestimate the cost of making a Dreamweaver port to Linux. Large parts of Dreamweaver is written in Javascript. They still need to port rendering engines and such though.

        Porting to Linux would be beneficial to Macromedia as they by doing so would get the foothold in a new and growing market.

      • Re:Good, I suppose (Score:3, Interesting)

        by DarkSarin ( 651985 )
        I have to say that Quanta is a robust enough program for those who understand code. That said, I find some things about it VERY annoying. One is browser selection. Certain presumptions are made about which browser one is using, and there is not an OBVIOUS way to switch things around.

        When I first started learning html, I heavily resisted Dreamweaver, but then I got a job where it was available, so I started learning it. For a long time after that I moved backward in understanding.

        It was only when I dit
      • I personally would have preferred if some good programer had enhanced Mozilla composer to the same level of feature richnes as the Macromedia suite.
      I believe there is a project to extend Notepad.exe to match MacroMedia's Dreamweaver feature for feature....

      And there's a project to make Honda Accords match the new Hummer H2's with slight modifications.

    • I use CrossOver Office to run Outlook. I'd rather run Evolution or KMail, but:
      - I need to work with .pst files, and the importers I've used are crap. Well - actually not that bad, but just not good/consistent/easy enough.
      - I need to talk to Exchange servers, and CrossOver is cheaper than Ximian Connector. Only a little, but if I had 1000 seats to consider, it'd be a factor.

      For all I'd rather be using free/OSS tools for the job, CrossOver is doing a great job helping me bridge the gap. Go CodeWeavers!

  • We really need a Dreamweaver under GNU/Linux !!! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by xcomm ( 638448 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @05:18AM (#7326878)
    Our free and open GNU/*nix world is really missing some kind of Dreamweaver. As a Web developer I have not found something similiar in the free software and open source world. As the Dreamweaver/HomeSite/TopStyle pack is the one and only, there is still this big gap in the free software world. I would really appreciate a free software alternative before using any emulation.

    Please developers of free and open software here is a great work to do for your fellow hackers!
    • The open source equivalent to dreamweaver is: a text editor (vi, emacs etc) the w3c recommendations for xhtml, css, dom level 1 Many professional web developers and designers choose not to use an application like dreamweaver because their knowledge is such that they can work faster and more precisely with a simple text editor.
  • I can't recall exactly when, but I remember setting up dreamweaver MX under Wine [winehq.com] a while ago (let's say about a year). It is listed in the Wine Application DB [winehq.com], It worked pretty well back then, the only problem was that it crashed when you used the color selection box. I no longer use it now, I've come to my senses and use VIM.
  • and bought a Mac... and never looked back, but it's nice to hear that support for these useful tools is coming for the alt-OS X86 crowd.
  • Does 'supported' to them mean as stable as on native windows? Or do i have to expect increased peroidic crashes..

    This isnt accpetable in business ( though how microsoft gets away with it, ill never understand. )

    Hmm... where is the demo, or bit torrent to try it out for myself with MY applications? Or do they just expect me to take a leap of faith?

  • Lotus Notes for Linux... when ? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Erik_ ( 183203 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @06:55AM (#7327119)
    It's a shame that we need to use tools like CrossOver Office 2.1 to support the Lotus Notes R5 client under Linux. With a company like IBM pushing Linux, it seems to me that getting a Notes client would be the obvious choise... (Lotus Domino servers already run on Linux).

  • Better choices (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Look at how viruses spread. Then compare to flash. If one additional box had been included on the popup that asks you if you want to install flash, that says, no, and don't ask me again (instead of asking every time your mouse passes over an imbedded flash file), it wouldn't have spread so far so fast.

    Flash is simply an animated gif enhancement for viewing more annoying banner ads. And for locking out users from web sites designed by designers that think it is more important to show off their flash progr
    • Flash is simply an animated gif enhancement for viewing more annoying banner ads.

      My 21 month old daughter would disagree with you. For her, Flash is a way of watching Pingu the penguin jump across the ice flow, doing jigsaws online and learning letters from the Play with Clay Disney site. (Sorry no links - I'm at work and am not bringing those animations up now).

      Flash can be used for more than ads. Personally I block Flash ads under Windows by using Firebird with the Flash Click to Run extension, and un

    • Parent says:

      --
      As for Dreamweaver, regardless of the naysayers, it's bloated, not stable, and it still is not fully w3c compliant, even if you do know what you are doing. There is still non-compliant code that is inserted into source code, regardless of the settings.
      --

      I work for a shop that specializes in web accessibility and usability. How, exactly, does Dreamweaver 'insert' things into the source code, regardless of the settings? I code in Dreamweaver. I don't use design mode and I only tinker with a co
    • What part of graphic design is it that OSS developers can't understand?

      Let me quote the wysiwyg link you provided:
      "Even in WYSIWYG mode we will still be entering text into the editor with an editing rule set"

      Typing is NOT the best way to create everything!

      OSS dev: "I think I'll go type up a painting..."

      I give up!

  • Why crossover only works on the converted: (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mumblestheclown ( 569987 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @07:22AM (#7327187)
    Option 1:
    • Linux - say, $50
    • Crossover Office - $59.99
    • MS-Office - $400
    Option 2:
    • WinXP Home Edition - $120
    • MS-Office - $400
    is this worth a saving of $10 (~2%) ? Or even $60 (~12%) given that, whatever you say about MS, Office (and all the other applications) are highly more likely to work better on XP than any emulated environment?

    Maybe for some corporate customers, but I doubt it. Even as a small business owner, I wouldnt take the risk.


    • Option 3:

      Cheapbytes Linux $3
      OpenOffice FREE

      Option 4:
      For those that only have to read email attachments, just use Crossover plugin with the free word viewer and free excel viewer.

      Other options, win4lin, vmware. I have used both vmware and crossover and I have always been quite happy.

      Linux is about choice and freedom.
    • ...and your $10 or $20 dissapears in the cost of the first support call.
    • You hit the nail on the head with "corporate users" - and I think this is where they are really aiming.

      Our current position at work is:

      - 10,000 desktops at a large number of locations, all running Win 2K + Office. They are a pain to admin, and cause havoc by needing 100 Mb service packs to be delivered across our very thin WAN.

      - 7,000 of those desktops could be converted to Linux + Openoffice with no loss of productivity. We've done the analysis (they write simple letters, look at simple spreadsheets a
  • 1. CrossoverOffice is significant because it allows migration of even dedicated Windows users, people who are inevitably tied to specific applications rather than the OS as such.

    2. There is a Linux distro, Xandros, that comes with CrossoverOffice as a preinstalled component (at least in the deluxe Xandros). The combined package is cheaper than the two apart.

    3. It becomes possible with this to create enterprise packages consisting of a bootable Linux CD with all the applications the users need, and all th
    • 3. It becomes possible with this to create enterprise packages consisting of a bootable Linux CD with all the applications the users need, and all their data on network drives. Take random PC, insert USB identity module (/home on flash drive) boot from CD, and work.

      While I personally appreciate putting /home on a flash drive for programs like Knoppix, it would be better to follow the traditional method on a network; mount /home/user_name from a server. No keys to loose, the storage is cheaper and much la

  • Is that they use Tcl/Tk. Hey, it's a neat widget set, but I've not been seeing a hugely stable API for it, and it's a rather Motif-ish system. It also lacks some of the capabilities of more modern toolkits.

    Tcl/Tk is great for whipping up a GUI-based application or applet, and it works fine in most academic or scientific environs, because you don't need fancy features but you do often want a solid, blocky, clearly-visible system.

    They claim to support the Office 2000 features, and I've no reason to doubt

  • Is this a "Good Thing" (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Skraut ( 545247 )
    As a professional web deveolper, and self confessed Linux junkie, I just have to ask myself, is this a good thing?

    I use my Gentoo Linux partition for just about everythnig, but have to reboot to windows when I need to get some work done and work with Macromedia Studio 2004. I know I'm not the only one who has repeatedly e-mailed and faxed and called Macromedia about Linux versions of their programs. I'd buy them in a heartbeat, and I know I'm not the only one.

    Now that the MX versions of Flash and Dream

  • This announcement is excellent news, but as I do more coding, html editors seem less important than css editors.

    Does anyone know good style editors for linux?

    I've been using Top Style on Windows as well as Mozilla plugins like editcss. (I think Morphon has a (free) css editor, but I can't remember how well it's integrated into its xml editor.

  • Can someone explain the difference between the wine from winehq and the codeweavers product? Is codeweavers a fork of wine? Or is it more of branded version of wine like netscape/mozilla?
  • Has anyone pointed out that both of these apps run great on OS X? I don't need to ditch windows, or use codeweaver. I just click the icon in the dock.

  • Fireworks. Fireworks. Fireworks. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by namespan ( 225296 ) <namespan@el[ ]mail.org ['ite' in gap]> on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @12:57PM (#7329992) Journal
    In fact, I'd say Fireworks is *more* important than Dreamweaver on Linux -- certainly it would be to me. Because the strength of Dreamweaver centers around two things: (1) It makes it easy to design/edit web pages when you don't know HTML and (2) It makes it easy to futz about with design before you've settled on one.

    Thing is, for most Linux users, #1 isn't going to be much of an issue. And #2 is better done in a graphics program suited to it. Which is exactly what Fireworks is. It's *much* better than Photoshop, because of the wide variety of vector oriented tools, better slicing facilities, all while having a good set of raster/bitmap tools and effects as well.

    I'd also imagine this wouldn't be too hard for Macromedia. Their products seem to give the impression of a unified underlying toolset/library, though I couldn't speak authoritatively to that.

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