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Free Online Perl Workshop 13

signlink writes "A new online workshop starts today, March 30th, and the first topic is posted. We are running a free perl workshop which will take place over the next ten weeks at http://linux.biondosmith.com . Although free, registration is required - you need to use a valid email address. This will be an interactive online workshop - we will learn to install, read and modify freeware cgi-scripts, and using the skills this teaches us we will write our own. Emphasis will be on the reusability of code, and the course will complete a class project - we will write a form-mail program that executes some user-validation features."
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  • by merlyn ( 9918 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @04:45PM (#5627660) Homepage Journal
    From their opening page [biondosmith.com]:
    We will start off the week installing a perl script from Matt Wright's script archive.
    Argh. Haven't they heard of the CERT warnings against those scripts? Haven't they heard that Matt himself has denounced his programs [scriptarchive.com] in favor of the NMS project [sf.net]?

    How do people get so clueless, and yet have such a strong desire to share what they (don't) know?

    • by biondosmith ( 662701 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @09:55PM (#5628964)

      It is obvious that Randall is a talented programmer, and that he DID actually skim the workshop before proceeding to flame me, but I don't understand why he had to do so in such a negative way.

      He even posted his own "code hack" on my website to show that he could do things better than Matt Wright. But I did have a good reason for using this particular Matt Wright script. (This isn't formmail, or wwwboard - both of these scripts are full of holes and are regularly targeted by script kiddies.) I used a cookie script from Matt's archive because it is well documented, neatly written and contains code that I can re-use and build. I will also contrast Matt's use of a library later when I build a .pm that does the same thing.

      Randall is a perl guru - I am not. But I do know some perl, I am a pretty good teacher - and yes, I want to share the knowledge that I have. I am not interested in portraying myself as a perl-god, I simply find it helpful (helpful to me and helpful to others) by conducting these workshops. It is a nice way to meet other web designers. I would have appreciated help if any were offered in a constructive way. This is only heckling. It isn't helpful, it only serves to inflate Randall's image of himself (see his hacking escapades on his website - this guy loves himself).

      Matt
      PS - I ask for real email addresses as a way of keeping things honest - (Response to second question). I am giving people access to post information and upload files.
      • I, too, would rather see you use the NMS versions. It hurts the back of my eyeballs to see anyone teaching using Matt's code in 2003. Why? Well, just ask Matt Wright:

        from http://www.scriptarchive.com/nms.html [scriptarchive.com]

        While the free code found at my web site has not evolved much in recent years, the general programming practices and standards of CGI programs have. nms is an attempt by very active programmers in the Perl community to bring the quality of code for these types of programs up to date and elimina

  • registration (Score:2, Insightful)

    Although free, registration is required - you need to use a valid email address.

    Why exactly is that? I don't seea P3P policy covering the use of harvested email addresses.

  • just buy the book CGI programming with Perl. you'll get more than a few scripts that you can rework. it'll give you a detailed overview and plenty of code. from the description, it sounds rather like a get together and a "let's do perl" rather than a guy who is a serious perl hacker. personally, dude deserved an ass rippin from randall. besides, what i've discovered from perl hackers is this: if you ask them, they will offer all the help they can, but if you pretend you know, they will unleash. i've b
    • Yes you can just learn perl from a book. But some of us need motivation.

      Signing up for a class gives you a schedule to keep, people to work with and compete with. This works better for a lot of us.

      I can read the book and learn things too. But I attend classes because it get me out of the office and forces me to spend the time learning insead of dealing with whatever today's crisis is.

      Then I go home after class, connect to the office and fix the crisis. But at least I spent time learning something new

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