"Quick 'n Dirty" vs. "Correct and Proper"? 887

Posted by Cliff on Thursday July 10, 2003 @05:55PM from the which-way-would-you-go dept.

A not-so Anonymous Coward enters this query: "I keep finding myself on projects where a quick and dirty solution will bring in money for the company, and a correct (ie, properly documented, well engineered, process followed, etc) solution will get us left in the dust. When the Q&D solution succeeds, I'm left trying to explain why it can't be the FINAL solution (to PHBs and Marketroids that were fully informed of the situation prior to any work getting done). Most recently, work I did in record time was used to help bring in several large contracts, and then I found myself in hot water for not having followed process et al. So, to Slashdot: is it better to do the quick thing and greatly increase the chance of $uccess now, or to do the correct thing and avoid pain later (assuming there is money to pay for the pain later)?"

"Quick 'n Dirty" vs. "Correct and Proper"?

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memo (Score:2, Funny)

by albeit unknown ( 136964 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @05:57PM (#6410124)

Did you get that memo about the new cover sheets on the TPS reports?

It's like sex... (Score:5, Funny)

by PeteyG ( 203921 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @05:59PM (#6410146) Homepage Journal

It's like sex.

Quick and dirty, like getting drunk and meeting some stranger in a motel room, will leave you feeling gross aftewards.

Correct and proper, like wooing a nice and attractive young lady, takes time, hard work, and if it works out, leads to something wonderful and long-lasting.

Either way, you have sex. But which one would you rather tell your mother about (or rather, put on your resume)?

Well (Score:2, Funny)

by CausticWindow ( 632215 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @05:59PM (#6410151)

Who doesn't like it quick and dirty?

This isn't the only aspect of life where quick and dirty is superior. If you stop to think about it, most things feel better when done quick and dirty. At least dirty, I know I like it dirty anyway.

You know the kind of dirty that you won't get on afternoon tv, passions, etc. Know what I mean? And I'm not talking pay tv in a hotel dirty either, I'm talking real life forbidden in 49 states dirty. Huhu. Yeah, that's it, I knew you dug it.

Quick and Dirty? (Score:2, Funny)

by Anonymous Coward writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @05:59PM (#6410159)

Actually, there's different schools of thought. Your sister likes it quick and dirty - there's no doubt about that. However, your mother likes it when I take it nice and slow.

Re:Passion is the key - if you're passionate, rele (Score:1, Funny)

by Anonymous Coward writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @05:59PM (#6410160)

I see you didn't take the red pill...

I think for the few truly excellent programmers: (Score:5, Funny)

by ath0mic ( 519762 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:00PM (#6410163)

"Quick 'n Dirty" == "Correct and Proper"

...and believe me, I'm not one of them.

*Cough* *Cough* (Score:5, Funny)

by buffer-overflowed ( 588867 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:00PM (#6410167) Journal

Clicky Clicky. [lysator.liu.se]

Truly, things to program by (or not).

Re:Passion is the key - if you're passionate, rele (Score:1, Funny)

by Anonymous Coward writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:00PM (#6410175)

Yes! Man, the interface sucks and it takes longer than pencil and paper to get a result, but I am just filled with many warm fuzzies when I discover the sheer passion and drive that went into developing such a substantard product. At least, that's what the developer told me...

Re:It's like sex... (Score:4, Funny)

by Gr33nNight ( 679837 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:01PM (#6410188)

I dont know about you, but I DO NOT tell my mother when/if I get laid. There are some things she really doesnt need to know about.

Re:Correct and Proper (Score:3, Funny)

by flying_triguy ( 560874 ) writes: <flying_triguy.hotmail@com> on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:02PM (#6410193)

Correct and Proper
Otherwise you're going to spend all your quick cash on fixing bugs and supporting craptacular software, not to mention bad press and angry users.

But you'll be RICH

Re:memo (Score:4, Funny)

by suso ( 153703 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:02PM (#6410201) Journal

Hey, did you get that memo about the TPS reports? Well it's just that now we're putting a cover sheet on them and if you could do that in the future it would be great. Thanks...

Re:It's like sex... (Score:4, Funny)

by flowerp ( 512865 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:03PM (#6410208)

> Either way, you have sex. But which one would you rather tell your mother about (or rather, put on your resume)?

Sex on your resume is ALWAYS bad. See Bill Clinton.

(Unless you are a porn star of course)

Re:It's like sex... (Score:2, Funny)

by Anonymous Coward writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:04PM (#6410231)

Shit. Now wonder I don't have any job offers. I've completely neglected to put my sexual history on my resume!

-AX

Re:It's like sex... (Score:5, Funny)

by Xugumad ( 39311 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:05PM (#6410241)

That, and it scrunches the paper up...

Re:It's like sex... (Score:1, Funny)

by Anonymous Coward writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:06PM (#6410256)

It's like sex.

Maybe, but I don't think your analogy will resonate with the average /.er - most are likely waaaay more familiar with Q&D and C&P than they are with sex

Re:I think for the few truly excellent programmers (Score:3, Funny)

by forwhomthebelltrolls ( 670539 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:06PM (#6410258)

Why did I think of this Dilbert [comics.com] comic strip when I read your message?

Re:It's like sex... (Score:4, Funny)

by Just Some Guy ( 3352 ) writes: <kirk+slashdot@strauser.com> on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:07PM (#6410266) Homepage Journal

And which one would you rather brag about around the coffee pot?

You: "Yeah, it took me seven times longer than Joe in Graphic Design, but the quality... Oh, the quality..."
Coworker: "Joe did it seven times before you did it once? You are the suck."

Re:It's like sex... (Score:3, Funny)

by Anonymous Coward writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:08PM (#6410288)

which one would you rather tell your mother about

I don't have to tell your mom about the quick and dirty - she was there.

Re:It's like sex... (Score:3, Funny)

by 3ryon ( 415000 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:08PM (#6410295)

What if your bosses told you you had to fuck 10 women by 5pm Friday afternoon?

Must be Thursday.

Re:One reason why we need to absolve money (Score:3, Funny)

by Xerithane ( 13482 ) writes: <[gro.mrafdren] [ta] [enahtirex]> on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:10PM (#6410327) Homepage Journal

This is one reason why we as a society need to find ways to get rid of this need for greed and wealth and money in general. Otherwise things just keep running into the ground.

Yeah, but in a world where trade is the dominant form of currency, professional programmers are useless.

I've worked on a farm, I'd prefer not to go back. Besides, we gave you people Berkeley, can't you just stay there?

Also (Score:2, Funny)

by GnarlyNome ( 660878 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:12PM (#6410339) Journal

the pages stick togeather

Re:It's like sex... (Score:5, Funny)

by xenocide2 ( 231786 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:14PM (#6410361) Homepage

But you'd put "Nailed a super model in a very uncomfortable place" on your resume?

C'mon, the back of a volkswagon, people!

TPS?FUBAR? (Score:4, Funny)

by siskbc ( 598067 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:15PM (#6410363) Homepage

What's this I hear about you not putting cover sheets on your TPS reports? Didn't you get the memo?
What the fuck's a TPS report? Did we discuss that last week while I was still drunk from the night before? Am I fired?

Re:It's like sex... (Score:4, Funny)

by micromoog ( 206608 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:15PM (#6410367)

"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction."

Re:"Quick 'n Dirty" vs. "Correct and Proper"? (Score:3, Funny)

by MojoMonkey ( 444942 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:24PM (#6410453) Homepage

if you catch my meaning.

hmmmm no, what do you mean? That was much to subtle.

Re:It's like sex... (Score:5, Funny)

by Alpha27 ( 211269 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:36PM (#6410554)

It's interesting how you say 'when/if' as opposed to just 'when'

Re:It's like sex... (Score:5, Funny)

by Cloud 9 ( 42467 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:37PM (#6410564) Homepage Journal

Hold on. Let me run that through my engrish-english translator...

Re:It's like sex... (Score:5, Funny)

by Dr. Photo ( 640363 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:44PM (#6410619) Journal

Nailed a super model in a very uncomfortable place

Hooray for double-entendres! :-)

Re:It's like sex... (Score:3, Funny)

by intermodal ( 534361 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @06:50PM (#6410665) Homepage Journal

That'd explain why you've resorted to the porn industry (as noted in your sig)

just a note (Score:3, Funny)

by autopr0n ( 534291 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @07:05PM (#6410773) Homepage Journal

Wendy is so not going to call, loser.

Re:One reason why we need to absolve money (Score:2, Funny)

by aelfwyne ( 262209 ) writes: <.lotherius. .at. .altername.net.> on Thursday July 10, 2003 @07:27PM (#6410943) Homepage

>Perhaps a micro-socialist system could be
>implemented for those who are out of a job? To give
>them a job within a co-op, where they can create
>their own jobs, train themselves from the resources
>made available; a safety net for the unemployed, at
> almost no cost to the government.

This exists. It is called by various forms - Usually a college or a University. If you're really lucky you don't have to pay it back later when you're no longer jobless. If you're unlucky you get the honor of living in concentration camps known as dormitories for 4 to 6, and then have to pay them back for mistreating you after your time is up.

Re:Do Both. (Score:4, Funny)

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Re:*Cough* *Cough* (Score:3, Funny)

by fritter ( 27792 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @07:48PM (#6411104)

Yeah, right.

Like I'm gonna take programming tips from someone who starts lists at ONE.

Re:One reason why we need to absolve money (Score:3, Funny)

by digitalsushi ( 137809 ) * writes: <slashdot@digitalsushi.com> on Thursday July 10, 2003 @07:59PM (#6411168) Journal

I'll think about that next time I'm in a casino on the east coast *owch rimshot*

Re:Do Both. (Score:2, Funny)

by Kerkyon ( 584936 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @08:48PM (#6411465)

Horizontal whitespace may be cheap on monitors, but it's a pain in the ass when doing parellel diffs (e.g., for inspections) or you have a borky 80 column console. 78 columns, or you should be stabbed in the eyes. (It is also at a premium in the /. comment posting box.) -k

Re:TPS?FUBAR? (Score:3, Funny)

by EverDense ( 575518 ) writes: on Thursday July 10, 2003 @11:07PM (#6412149) Homepage

I'd settle for him NOT making King of the Hill.

Oh, come now, poor people should be allowed to have their own version of the simpsons.

Re:No easy answer (Score:1, Funny)

by Anonymous Coward writes: on Friday July 11, 2003 @01:46AM (#6412789)

we don't even comment the code

That only works for people who code well; poor coders should always add comments, unless they're also poor commenters, in which case their comments will only confuse.

Re:Deutschland (Score:3, Funny)

by God! Awful 2 ( 631283 ) writes: on Friday July 11, 2003 @03:00AM (#6413009) Journal

You forgot to mention the part about your employer being located in Berlin. Not that I'd mind living in Germany for a few years .. but my girlfriend almost certainly would object. Perhaps after I finish my second masters, I should apply?

What... and give up on your third masters? I'm disappointed in you.

-a

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It's like sex... (Score:5, Funny)

Well (Score:2, Funny)

Quick and Dirty? (Score:2, Funny)

Re:Passion is the key - if you're passionate, rele (Score:1, Funny)

I think for the few truly excellent programmers: (Score:5, Funny)

*Cough* *Cough* (Score:5, Funny)

Re:Passion is the key - if you're passionate, rele (Score:1, Funny)

Re:It's like sex... (Score:4, Funny)

Re:Correct and Proper (Score:3, Funny)

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Also (Score:2, Funny)

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TPS?FUBAR? (Score:4, Funny)

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Re:"Quick 'n Dirty" vs. "Correct and Proper"? (Score:3, Funny)

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just a note (Score:3, Funny)

Re:One reason why we need to absolve money (Score:2, Funny)

Re:Do Both. (Score:4, Funny)

Re:*Cough* *Cough* (Score:3, Funny)

Re:One reason why we need to absolve money (Score:3, Funny)

Re:Do Both. (Score:2, Funny)

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