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A New Approach To Database-Aided Data Processing 45

Posted by Soulskill
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An anonymous reader writes "The Parallel Universe blog has a post about parallel data processing. They start off by talking about how Moore's Law still holds, but the shift from clock frequency to multiple cores has stifled the rate at which hardware allows software to scale. (Basically, Amdahl's Law.) The simplest approach to dealing with this is sharding, but that introduces its own difficulties. The more you shard a data set, the more work you need to do to separate out the data elements that can't interact. Optimizing for 2n cores takes more than twice the work of optimizing for n cores. The article says, 'If we want to continue writing compellingly complex applications at an ever-increasing scale we must come to terms with the new Moore's law and build our software on top of solid infrastructure designed specifically for this new reality; sharding just won't cut it.' Their solution is to transfer some of the processing work to the database. 'This because the database is in a unique position to know which transactions may contend for the same data items, and how to schedule them with respect to one another for the best possible performance. The database can and should be smart.' They demonstrate how SpaceBase does this by simulating a 10,000-spaceship battle on different sets of hardware (code available here). Going from a dual-core system to a quad-core system at the same clock speed actually doubles performance without sharding."
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A New Approach To Database-Aided Data Processing

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  • Shared RAM (Score:5, Interesting)

    by naroom (1560139) on Wednesday February 27, 2013 @06:15PM (#43028681)
    Yep, it totally ignores cases where multiple threads can be chewing on the same piece of RAM without conflict. My domain is image processing, and as long as each thread can access its own sub-chunk of the image, parallelizing my code takes near-zero overhead. I don't have to split the data into chunks at all.
  • Re:I have a solution (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Bacon Bits (926911) on Wednesday February 27, 2013 @07:16PM (#43029169)

    This is not a case of "let's do processing at the database". This isn't "holy crap SQL has functions!" or "try to use set-based queries that return the data you want rather than getting a dozen record sets and looping through them with 'until (RecordSet.eof())'". This is what you do when you've done all that and you still have performance problems because of data size and complexity of queries.

    It's a case of needing to maintain data consistency in processing when you have 10,000 concurrent users all changing data but you want to process something very complex with your real time data set. Think things like geocoding in real time all cell phones attached to your cellular network, then running tower load balancing applications that can be made aware of the fact that the data has changed as it's changing and taking that into account. A tower could see that a high data user on an adjacent tower is approaching and could begin preparing for that. The 10s of thousands of spaceships is just a simple example. Let's say you want to resurface the highway system for Los Angeles, and you want to use real time data of the number of cars on the road at different times to model how traffic patterns might change when you close lanes so you can determine how to close the lanes and test the best method for how you should re-route traffic.

    The key idea here is that each spaceship or cell phone user or automobile can interact with each other based on their data (in this case, proximity data). How can we write applications that might need to signal 20,000 other processes that their data just changed? RDBMSs are already incredibly good at dealing with data consistency and concurrency, and for large data sets that can interact arbitrarily with the rest of the data, sharding doesn't work.

    Now let's say you want to do something really difficult, like modelling the human body at the cellular level. Each cell is it's own process, but each cell can interact with any number of other cells with signalling mechanisms. This chemical signalling would have to be translated to data signalling to the application processes, and it would all need to be kept consistent to maintain the reality of the simulation. Now give the simulation cancer. Now test an experimental treatment. Now do it 500,000 times each for all 10,000 types of cancer and each of the 1,000s of possible cures, and speed up the timeline to go as quickly as possible. You can have entire planetary populations of simulated humans with every disease ever known, and you can try every possible treatment simultaneously. Trillions of simulated humans dying from failed treatments advancing your knowledge in the real world by hundreds of thousands of years in a fraction of the time. Now do the same with astrological bodies, or subatomic particles.

    We use simulations now to model things that we understand but can rarely observe, but rarely do we do so as quickly as they occur in the natural world. What will happen when we can model anything and everything... instantly... simultaneously.

  • Like Hadoop? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by booch (4157) <slashdot2010&craigbuchek,com> on Wednesday February 27, 2013 @07:23PM (#43029211) Homepage

    This doesn't sound at all ground-breaking. They've basically discovered what Hadoop already does -- if you shard your data, it makes sense to run the processing where the data is, to reduce communication overhead. And Hadoop didn't pioneer the idea, either. It's based on Google's MapReduce, and I'm pretty certain that the ideas go back much further than that.

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