


Looking At Turing 138
Jim Jones has written in with the first of a series that explores the history of Mr. Alan Turing, and his connection with digital computing.
We gave you an atomic bomb, what do you want, mermaids? -- I. I. Rabi to the Atomic Energy Commission
Cryptonomicon..... (Score:1)
Re:Cryptonomicon..... (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Cryptonomicon..... (Score:4, Informative)
For a good biography of Turing, you should check out Hodges' Alan Turing: The Enigma [amazon.com]. A bit of a dense read, but informative and comprehensive.
Good History (Score:3, Insightful)
Here's a question, though - Do we still live in an age where we can postulate these types of ideas and questions, or do we demand hard-core applications to come directly from speculative science?
I've wondered about that for a number of years now.
Re:Good History (Score:1)
Re:Good History (Score:4, Insightful)
Certainty that that era is over has probably a big part of the "give up" status-quo indoctrination (I do not mean to attack you, but I think it's food for thought).
Re:Good History (Score:2, Interesting)
Well, I guess for a good answer to that question, you need to know who the "we" are. I think that most people in the country as a whole are interested in science inasmuch as it can produce applications, and, in particular, applications which will affect their everyday life. For example, IMHO most people wouldn't consider what NASA does as "applied", since they don't see how they would benefit from it directly.
On the other hand, there is a large class of people who care about asking questions in a pure sense, and answering them without a lot of thought given to their applications. These people are the academics. For example, with few exceptions, academics fall into these this category. As a professor of (say) mathematics, one is rarely interested in commercial applications of the math one is doing, and depending on the field, not interested in whether the mathematics applies to anything at all. This is true of most academic fields. Historians ask those questions because they're the right questions to ask, not because it'll build a better motherboard.
Re:Good History (Score:1)
Vel-cro
* Microwaves
* All those cool sattelites
* Lots of great research which has led to a lot of applied stuff.
All Computers (Score:1)
Thank the maker
Re:All Computers (Score:2, Funny)
You'd think after 60 years someone could have at least invented a Turing Autoloader.
Re:All Computers (Score:1)
Oh, and surely you could have thought of a better nick? I mean DeMorgan's law is all very well, and enables conversation between AND and OR gates and all, but you should have chosen a more fun law like De Moivre's theorem, the consequential (and especially cool) Euler's equation (you know which Euler's equation I mean) or hell, even good old Bayes' theorem.
Re:All Computers (Score:1)
I have written code to run on Turing machines. I am more than capable of writing a Turing machine emulator.
But enough of my ranting. You missed my point - I said that computers were not based on Turing machines, and I stick to that. Although they have equivalent (give or take) power to a Turing machine, that doesn't make them based on Turing machines.
PS. Fucking prick.
Re:All Computers (Score:1)
Oh, is that why they refer to the von Neumann architecture all the time? And what about Erdos's establishment of the field of discrete mathematics, Boolean algebra, Ada, Babbage, Goedel, Church, ...
Anyway, you seem to have forgotten a few contributors.
-Kevin
Re:There's an out-of-print biography (Score:2, Informative)
Not very detailed (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Not very detailed (Score:1)
Re:can we please evolve (Score:3, Informative)
Alan Turing (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Alan Turing (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Alan Turing (Score:1, Troll)
Then again, maybe it's just me.
Re:Alan Turing (Score:2)
It could be they are naming it after the famous Computer Scientist, or it could be a joke on the Turing Machine [everything2.com]. You know, like so they can say "and this, is the Turing Machine".
Kind of like how ILM used to have a computer named Dagobah.... "and this, is the Dagobah System".
Re:Alan Turing (Score:3, Interesting)
In other news... (Score:4, Funny)
One Rule Turing them all
One Find Turing them,
One Bring Turing them all
And in the darkness BIND them
(Who knew Tolkien was secretly dyslexic?)
Score=Funny - Right on!
Score=Offtopic - Oh yeah? Let's see you post something better!
Alan Turing home page (Score:3, Informative)
... is here [turing.org.uk]. I can't get to the site referenced in the article, so maybe they already mention it or link to it.
What a teaser! (Score:1, Interesting)
It's kind of sad that Slashdot linked to the first part of this series rather than waiting for it to finish. The true depth of Turing's story lies in what happened during the war. If you've never read Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon [cryptonomicon.com], now is an excellent time to start; Stephenson's fictional Turing is an excellent read.
Many who have studied Turing's life believe that this book [turing.org.uk] by Hodges is the definitive work of a man who was arguably a casualty of his lifestyle. Turing's answers to the three Great Questions of Mathematics - Completeness - Is Mathematics complete? Could every question be proven or disproven? Consistency - Does Mathematics always give the same answer? - and Decidability - did a chain of logic exist to prove or disprove any assertion - well, all of these were overshadowed by the fact that as a homosexual he defied God's Will - but all in all his contributions to Mathematics are staggering.
The lasting pervasiveness of this man's work - (who doesn't know what a "Turing Test" is?) - is a living testament to his genius. It's funny that on the same day we discuss the Nobel Prize we discuss the man most obviously deprived of it.
Re:What a teaser! (Score:1)
Re:What a teaser! (Score:1)
Re:what a way to sneak in the fundies (Score:1, Funny)
God says whatever the people who worship Him want him to say.
Re:What a teaser! (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sorry, I don't what you mean by "Turing Test". Perhaps we can talk about something else for a while.
:-)
Re:What a teaser! (Score:2, Insightful)
If they did that (Score:2)
It's kind of sad that Slashdot linked to the first part of this series rather than waiting for it to finish.
If they did that, there would be bunches of messages chastizing the linker for linking to old news.
Many who have studied Turing's life believe that this book [turing.org.uk] by Hodges is the definitive work of a man who was arguably a casualty of his lifestyle.
I haven't seen any mention of the fact that there was a play based on this book. I know it ran in London because I saw it there. I think it also ran on Broadway.
Re:If they did that (Score:1)
Something tells me that was the basis for the made-for-tv film Breaking the Code. More about Turing as a person, rather than a techie history.
Interesting film.
...laura
The classic five-star book on Turing (Score:4, Informative)
Check out the great review on Amazon [amazon.com] by Fidonet founder and homo-anarchist Tom Jennings [wps.com]!
-Don
Re:The classic five-star book on Turing (Score:4, Informative)
Much more information about Alan Turing and the book is on the web page created by Turing's biographer, Andrew Hodges: The Alan Turing Home Page [turing.org.uk].
From the Amazon review [amazon.com]:
18 of 18 people found the following review helpful:
[Five Stars]
February 17, 2001
One of the most important books I've ever read. Without this book, the real Alan Turing might fade into obscurity or at least the easy caricature of an eccentric British mathematician. And to the relief of many, because Turing was a difficult person: an unapologetic homosexual in post-victorian england; ground-breaking mathematician; utterly indifferent to social conventions; arrogantly original (working from first principles, ignoring precedents); with no respect for professional boundaries (a 'pure' mathematician who taught himself engineering and electronics).
His best-known work is his 1936 'Computable Numbers' paper, defining a self-modifying, stored-program machine. He used these ideas to help build code-breaking methods and machinery at Bletchley Park, England's WWII electronic intelligence center. This work, much still classified today, led directly to the construction of the world's first stored-program, self-modifying computer, in 1948.
Computers were always symbol-manipulators, to Alan, not 'number crunchers', the predominant view even to von Neumann, and into the 60's and 70's. He designed many basic software concepts (interpreter, floating point), most of which were ignored (he wasn't exactly good at promoting his ideas). By 1948 Alan had moved on to studying human and machine intelligence, as a user of computers, again with his lack of social niceties and radical thinking, some of his ideas were baffling or embarrassing until 'rediscovered' decades later as brilliant insights into intelligence. His 'Turing test' of intelligence dates from this period, and is still widely misunderstood.
Poor Alan; his refusal to deceive himself or others and "go along" with the conventions of the time regarding sexuality caused him (and other homosexuals then) great problems; early Cold War England was not a good time to be gay, or a misfit, especially one with deep knowledge of war-time secrecy (he was technical crypto liason to the U.S., and one of the few with broad knowledge of operations at Bletchley, since he defined so much of it, in a time of extreme compartmentalization). His sexual escapades eventually got him in trouble, and his increasing isolation and the fact that he simply couldn't acknowledge some of his life's work due to secrecy, probably influenced his suicide at the age of 42.
I first discovered Turing-the-person in A HISTORY OF COMPUTING IN THE 20TH CENTURY (Metropolis, Howlett, Gian-Carlo Rota; Acedemic Press, 1980), where I.J. Good wrote, "we didn't know he was a homosexual until after the war... if the security people had found out [and removed him]... we might have lost the war". This led me to look for books on Turing, and then the Hodges book magically appeared on the shelf.
I am grateful that Hodges researched his life as well as his work, as far as the data allows. Knowing the whole is always important, but I think critical in Alan Turing's life. Clearly, I rate this one of the most important books I've ever read.
-Tom Jennings [wps.com]
Re:The classic five-star book on Turing (Score:2)
the role of turing was played by derek jacobi [openhere.com], famous for his title role in i, claudius. the movie made for the bbc is also available on tape [amazon.com].
Mr. Alan Turing????? (Score:2, Insightful)
He did his PhD at Princeton
hmm (Score:3, Funny)
Warning: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (111) in
Secret code error number 83: localhost, bfadmin.
Yes, that Turing sure was a complicated fellow...
Secret code (Score:2, Funny)
nee how ma? (Score:1)
Not the first, but in good company. (Score:2)
-Don
Re:Reason #4,512 not to use PHP (Score:1)
Slashdotted (Score:1)
What if he passed the test? (Score:1, Funny)
King's College - Turing's College (Score:5, Interesting)
Alan wasn't the first scientist to be gay - though he was one of the first high-profile scientists to die at least partly as the result of his sexuality. I'm not sure whether he would have made a good poster child (as our US cousins would put it), but he was a fascinating person, and a great one. He was certainly one of the founders of our community - I wonder how he would feel about it now?
turing memorial (Score:4, Interesting)
The Enigma -- actual best book about Turing (Score:1, Informative)
here's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/08027758
Another recommended book (Score:1, Informative)
Turing Unfortunate End (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Turing Unfortunate End (Score:2)
I think you'll find it was the UK government, and NOT the US government, who hounded Turing for his homosexuality.
Forthcoming Book: The Turing Test Source Book (Score:2)
It will include contributions from Andrew Hodges, Jon Agar, Noam Chomsky, Daniel Dennett, Stevan Harnad, Kenneth Ford, Douglas Hofstader, John R. Lucas, Marvin Minsky, Roger Penrose, David Rumelhart, Selmer Bringsjord, Ned Block, David Chalmers, The Churchlands, Andy Clark, H. M. Collins, JAck Copeland, Hubert Dreyfus, Jerry Fodor, Robert M. French, Thomas Metzinger, Peter Millican, James Moor, Ariella V. Popple, Zenon Pylyshyn, John Searle, Hugh Loebner, Stuart Shieber, Richard Wallace, Joseph Weizenbaum, Rodney Brooks, Peter Dayan, Brue Edmonds, Anne Foerst, David Harel, Patrick J. Hayes, Mark Humphrys, Douglas Lenat, John McCarthy, Jon Oberlander, Ian Pratt, Willaim J. Rapaport, Murray Shanahan, Aron Sloman, Chris Thornton, Stuart Watt, Blay Whitby, Terry Winograd, Robbie Garner, Jason Hutchens,David Levy, Joseph Weintraub, Thomas Whalen, Veronique Bastin & Dennis Cordier, Kevin L. Copple, Bruce Cooper, Thad Crew, Richard Gibbons, Gerold Lee Gorman, David Hamill, Sandy Johnson & Chris Johnson, Chris S. Johnson, Laurence Matishak, Michael L. Maudin, Peter Neuendorffer, Michale Onofrio & Stephen Hildebran, Luke Pellen, Joseph Strout, Ed T. Toton III, Vladimir Veselov & Eugene Demchenko, George B. Dyson, Neil Gershenfeld, Michael Gross, Raymond Kurzweil, James Martin, Hans Moravec, Charles Platt and of course, myself.
Re:Forthcoming Book: The Turing Test Source Book (Score:1)
More on Turning here (Score:1)
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