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Freedb.org Seeks Volunteers 29

Posted by michael on Wednesday July 31, 2002 @05:44PM from the time-on-your-hands dept.

dtype writes "freedb.org is asking for your help. With the ever increasing popularity of freedb, the all-volunteer service has required more and more time. Joerg Hevers has been absorbing the brunt of the load for some time now, and we should all thank him for that. We're now looking for volunteers who would like to spend time on this great service, so that we can continue to serve the community at expected levels."

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- Re:alternative (Score:3, Insightful)
  
  by JofCoRe ( 315438 ) writes:
  
  Um... isn't that why freedb was created in the first place? As an alternative to cddb? I thought that once cddb got bought out, and started charging people to access their servers, freedb was spawned as a free alternative. (I could be wrong on that though..)
  Now we're supposed to go back to cddb? um...
  - Re:alternative (Score:1)
    
    by adr ( 1928 ) writes:
    
    Yeah, it was developed as an alternative to cddb. See, a bunch of people got really upset at cddb as they had been plugging in all these tracklists and other assorted CD info for free, and along comes Gracenote, buys out whoever was the prime mover behind cddb, and promptly starts capitalizing on a lot of work done gratis by a large community. Hence, freedb.
    
    I don't remember exactly, but I think there's some sort of GPL-ish clause in freedb that would prevent such a crass co-opting. At least I hope so.
    - Re:alternative (Score:3, Insightful)
      
      by dtype ( 98103 ) writes:
      
      There is. Everything from freedb is GPL'd, and always available for download.
- Re:alternative (Score:3, Informative)
  
  by FattMattP ( 86246 ) writes:
  
  Wrong. Freedb.org was started as a replacement for CDDB not the other way around. Maybe you should read up on why this project exists in the first place [freedb.org].
- Re:alternative (Score:3, Interesting)
  
  by ivan256 ( 17499 ) writes:
  
  I know you think you're funny, but it is decidedly *not* funny to encourage people to support an organization that gained it's position by exploiting average consumers, and maintains their position through the abuse of the United States legal system.
  
  Furthermore, I have never seen - and Gracenote has seemingly never provided - evidence that they have turned a profit on the rape of their initial users labor. They could be gone tomorrow, and it is more likely that they will go away then freedb.
- Re:alternative (Score:4, Interesting)
  
  by orthogonal ( 588627 ) writes: on Wednesday July 31, 2002 @06:45PM (#3989263) Journal
  
  Ever read the ccdb developer's license? Basically, it says that if you use ccdb in your product, you are contractually obligated not to use any other source of information about cd content.
  
  In other words, "if you want to use us, we get to be a monopoly". Your application can't even offer the end user an option to select between using ccdb and some other cd databse.
  
  Sorry. Even Microsoft doesn't require a developer to use only its API if he uses any part of Microsoft's API.
  
  Screw ccdb: I'll type in the song names before I'll use a service that tries to arrogate itself to monopoly status, especially when they rely on end users to do the actual data entry.
  
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- - Re:alternative (Score:3, Informative)
    
    by V. Mole ( 9567 ) writes:
    
    For example, freedb is open source, which means anyone can upload track listings. The result is 30 spellings of "Oops I did it again!", while anything that isn't in the top 40 is unrecognized.
    I'll grant you the spelling issues, but I have a fairly eclectic collection, and I think the only one that freedb came up empty on was an obscure local band. Anyway, if it misses, you add them for the next person. That's the whole point of the system, isn't it? If you just want to leach off of the work of others, then stick with CDDB.
Fool me once (Score:1, Insightful)

by Anonymous Coward writes:

"We're now looking for volunteers who would like to spend time on this great service, so that we can continue to serve the community at expected levels."
Uh-huh, I've never heard that story before. no way. nuh uh. [cddb.org]
Translation: "Shit, gracenote made a pile of cash, we can do the same thing, and eventually rip everyone off and make a pile of cash too!". I was fooled once before, I will not be fooled again.
- Re:Fool me once (Score:1)
  
  by mkaiser ( 20342 ) writes:
  
  You're completely wrong.
  Did you ever worked for a project that takes more that 15 hours a week of your spare time to set up and start working? Right now, it takes even more time to keep this service running.
  We spend/spent a lot of time an money getting where we are now, we are doing this for fun and to don't even think about commercial ads on our website or charing the user for the service or ANY other way to lower our personal financial expenses and we try to assure everyone that freedb will NEVER take the gracenote-way. That's why we put everything under an open licence.
- - Re:They just told you... (Score:1, Flamebait)
    
    by anthony_dipierro ( 543308 ) writes:
    
    Alright, so give me a password and shit.
    - - Re:They just told you... (Score:1, Flamebait)
        
        by anthony_dipierro ( 543308 ) writes:
        
        Fine, if you don't want help, don't take my help.
No paragraph of introduction on the home page. (Score:1)

by Futurepower(R) ( 558542 ) writes:

Freedb.org is the typical open source project. The home page does not have any introduction. It assumes that you know everything about the project already.
- Re:No paragraph of introduction on the home page. (Score:2, Informative)
  
  by mweber ( 539719 ) writes:
  
  How [freedb.org] about [freedb.org] clicking [freedb.org] on [freedb.org] the [freedb.org] 'About' [freedb.org] link? [freedb.org]
  
  It's really not tough. It's almost, dare I say, intuitive. Slashdot's homepage doesn't have a description about how it works, but even you managed to figure it out. So why are you complaining?
  - Re:No paragraph of introduction on the home page. (Score:2)
    
    by orthogonal ( 588627 ) writes:
    
    No, the OP has a good point. Too many open source home pages start with a change log. Nice for people already in the know, but I've wasted too much time clicking around for some summary of what the project's all about.
    - Re:No paragraph of introduction on the home page. (Score:1)
      
      by mweber ( 539719 ) writes:
      
      They start with a change log because the second time someone visits the page, that's probably what they'd rather see. The third time, they probably want to see some useful information that they don't already know too.
      
      The only time that someone needs an overview of a project is the first time they check it out. If that person is too lazy to click two links to get a general overview, then I don't think it's the open source home page that has the problem. The pages obviously cater to the people who contribute to the project (and, indirectly, those who just want to follow the project's progress). If someone is interested enough in a project to help it out, they'll follow the 'About' link.
      - Re:No paragraph of introduction on the home page. (Score:2)
        
        by orthogonal ( 588627 ) writes:
        
        The only time that someone needs an overview of a project is the first time they check it out. If that person is too lazy to click two links to get a general overview, then I don't think it's the open source home page that has the problem.
        
        Well, OK.
        
        But you do see that this is the problem your typical Windows user has with open source, right? That it's too complicated, too obscure, too concerned with "in-crowd" obfuscation and jargonizing, and not anywhere as user-friendly as Microsoft's talking paper-clip?
        
        No way I'm going to devote hours and hours to a project, just to see it languish without users because I can't point to a crisp, clear, informative homepage.
        
        But if you have other agendas, like showing the in-crowd how cool and terse your documentation can be, so be it. Whatever floats your boat, it's all good.
      - Re:No paragraph of introduction on the home page. (Score:1)
        
        by seanyboy ( 587819 ) writes:
        
        Maybe not even a paragraph of introduction is needed. A byline like "an open source replacement for cddb - click about for more info" would have been perfect.
        
        First time I went there it took a few frustrating seconds to pick up on the fact that I'd have to click on "about" to find out what it was. This was caused by my expectations of what product homepages usually are, and it would have been nice to have been given an instant pointer to the info I needed initially to know.
        
        I agree that you have to be pretty stupid to not be able to work it out, but some people are pretty stupid.
- It's fun to violate DMCA (Score:3, Interesting)
  
  by yerricde ( 125198 ) writes:
  
  One that acts as a proxy to intercept requests going out to CDDB.
  
  This is a direct violation of the DMCA. The CDDB protocol version 2 (used in newer apps) is proprietary and encrypted, and it controls access to a copyrighted compilation of data maintained by Gracenote. However, for CDDB 1 apps, a napigator-like program that intercepts DNS for cddb.com should work fine.
  
  DeMoCrAcy?
I *gotta* start reading these things (Score:1)

by BlankTim ( 241617 ) writes:

20 minutes of comments reading before I realized it was freebd, not freebSd

Yeesh.

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