

KDE 3.1 Second Beta Released 42
desau writes "The good folks over at KDE have released the second beta of 3.1. Binary packages are available for most major distributions, save one."
How much net work could a network work, if a network could net work?
Except one? (Score:4, Funny)
The rest of the world *does* exist you know.
Re:Except one? (Score:1)
Re:Except one? (Score:2)
Re:Except one? (Score:3, Informative)
suitable for placement in your apt-sources.
Re:Except one? (Score:1, Funny)
Idiot.
Six (Score:2)
Re:Except one? (Score:2)
FreeBSD has binaries of this beta available. But these are beta packages of a beta release. It does not make sense to widely disseminate packages that are known to be broken. These binaries are for testing purposes only, so that packages will be available for 3.1 in a timely manner.
Lets get this over with....... (Score:3, Informative)
Before it even starts:
Do we really need to announce beta releases of desktop environments on Slashdot? Is that all this site is becoming?
Is a large portion of slashdot, being geeks/techies/OSS-types, and probably users of [KDE|GNOME], not interested in hearing about realeases of [KDE|GNOME]?
But...... I....... I mean.... umm..... why isn't this kuro5hin?
You poor confused bastard.
Re:Lets get this over with....... (Score:2)
Gentoo? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Gentoo? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Gentoo? (Score:2, Informative)
Just type emerge kde-3.1_beta2 and it will download, compile and install automatically.
Simple (even if a little time consuming)
Re:Gentoo? (Score:1)
For explanation, the kdebase ebuild has a broken patch it runs against startkde, which I, in my ignorance, ignored. I'll fix it later. kde 3.1beta2 runs fine from the console, using startx.
Anyhow, this is a gentoo packaging issue -- not a kde problem. And further, I've been running 3.1 beta 1 for a month or so now with 100% stability -- I was holding off, but speaking as a developer kde 3.1 brings-in/fleshes-out some new APIs which are really quite superb. I didn't feel like waiting!
Vodak rantings (Score:2)
Re:Vodak rantings (Score:1)
I notice you're quick to assume the reason must
be some alleged grudge between Red Hat and the
KDE people. From where do you derive this ?
To horribly paraphrase [disputed origin elided],
you are too quick to attribute conditions to villainy
that simply result from the fact nobody
has actually done it yet.
Re:Vodak rantings (Score:4, Informative)
RedHat is much more interested in Gnome, and the RH developer who maintained the KDE packages resigned because of the modification of the KDE look & feel in RH 8.0.
Had you read the release announcement, you would have noticed the section which reads:
"Binary Packages. Some Linux/UNIX OS vendors have kindly provided binary packages of KDE 3.1beta2 for some versions of their distribution, and in other cases community volunteers have done so.
Has your knee stopped jerking yet?
It's a Beta Jackass (Score:4, Insightful)
-2: Too damn whiney
-3: Oh, it's you again. Why do you visit Slashdot and post comments and do nothing but bitch. Way too fucking whiney.
-4: Just shut the fuck up will ya.
-5: You are the biggest moron that ever lived.
Taco? Can these be incorporated into the moderation system?
Re:It's a Beta Jackass (Score:1, Flamebait)
Slashdot moderation (Score:4, Insightful)
I'd like to see as negatives:
* Factually Inaccurate (people mark incorrect things as "Troll" or "Overrated" currently...just silly.
I'd like to see the "Offtopic" removed as a negative Slashdot moderation. I think that a lot of good conversation threads "spin off" the main thread, and that people unfortunately often get modded as "Offtopic" for material that is quite useful and refreshing.
I also think that there's a reasonable argument that "Overrated" should go. That's really what M2 is for, and having an M2-proof M1 sort of defeats the whole purpose of M2.
and as for good posts, I think that Insightful/Informative/Interesting are overly similar. They get used interchangeably. Perhaps better would be:
Remove Insightful, Informative, and Interesting. They're redundant.
Underrated should go for the same reason that Overrated should.
The following could be added:
* New Information (for posts that introduce additional facts to a story, like "I worked as an engineer at the company and...")
* Interesting. Merge of Insightful/Interesting, as the two are not distinguished between by any moderators that I've seen.
* Well-written. It would be nice to encourage good syntax on Slashdot. That's one nice thing about kuro5hin -- most users write like professional journalists. Also, there are some really nice things that people make -- relevant haikus, clever bits of story, and the occasional brilliant manifesto -- which really deserve a moderation category of their own.
Thoughts, anyone?
Re:Slashdot moderation (Score:2, Interesting)
See my sig.
I also think that there's a reasonable argument that "Overrated" should go. That's really what M2 is for, and having an M2-proof M1 sort of defeats the whole purpose of M2.
It can also be used as a miscellaneous category, though. How about having a "miscellaneous good" and "miscellaneous bad" that are still subject to M2, but don't force you to give a predefined category? (Or even allow people to enter their own categories of a word or two, although I can see the trolls using this to post obscene words...)
New Information (for posts that introduce additional facts to a story, like "I worked as an engineer at the company and...")
This is what Informative is supposed to be for, as far as I know (although it's also used to moderate up people who post copies of the story when the original site is Slashdotted)... I think Informative covers this category reasonably well.
Interesting. Merge of Insightful/Interesting, as the two are not distinguished between by any moderators that I've seen.
I do distinguish between these, actually, in a way: I never use Insightful, because it implies agreement with the poster. Since I have very strong opinions, I almost never agree with every statement in a post of decent length. On the other hand, Interesting just means that I think the comment is worthy to be read. Also, I think Interesting is a "safer" moderation in M2 - I know it is when I'm the metamoderator.
Of course, none of this is a counterargument to merging the two into just Interesting.
One further suggestion: you didn't mention Redundant. I think it's similarly useless to Offtopic, perhaps even more so since there can easily be a post that says roughly the same thing you're saying that you haven't seen (or even that was posted while you were writing your comment!)
I think Crapflood (or some more PC variant thereof) should replace Offtopic, for posts that are truly junk (you know what I'm talking about if you ever read with a threshold under 1) rather than just not terribly related to the story they're attached to.
Other possible moderation categories:
+1 Famous (for when Linus Torvalds posts. Sounds stupid to have a category, but the point is that some people can set it to not give a bonus if they want to)
+1 Original (for haikus and such)
Re:Slashdot moderation (Score:1)
That's one nice thing about kuro5hin -- most users write like professional journalists.
Do you mean that they write very good prose about things they don't really understand?
(disclaimer: not really reading much kuro5hin -- this was meant to be a joke, nothing more)
mod parent up (Score:2)
To most people, well writen means full of shit. Believe me, I have to send emails via my 'please can you put some shit in here manager'. My Manager doesn't know what the emails about but there good enough at blagging (there managed to be a manager after all) to produce a 'well written?' document.
Re:Slashdot moderation (OT) (Score:2)
Does that mean they should get a -1?
Sorry, couldn't resist. All good points, although the moderation system hasn't effectively changed since M2 was introduced, so I'm not holding my breath.
-"Zow"
Re:Slashdot moderation (Score:2)
I think insighful should mean you gave an interesting opinion, and informative should mean you gave an interesting fact. If there are any other broad reasons why something would be intersting enough to read, add them too, but "interesting" by itself is fairly pointless.
I also agree that it would be nice to encourage good syntax, but would you really want to see something just on the basis that it was well-written?
I see your point, but it just doesn't seem like that should be the sole reason for modding something up (what if it was a really well-written troll or something? You get the picture.)
Cheers!
p.s. This is my first time posting from Lynx, so if things get messed up, that's probably why.
How childish! (Score:1, Insightful)
Red hat wants a unified desktop, KDE doesn't like that idea, what a bunch of crybabies. Maybe if they had put in the work to become the standard desktop for Linux everyone would be happy... but then again Gnome is pretty damn cool.
KDE and Red hat are both playing in the open source playground, however KDE should realise they can't take their ball and go home, because of the licence they CHOSE to realise their work under.
Re:How childish! (Score:3, Insightful)
Its GPL, which means they have to provide the source if someone asks for it. In what what is KDE taking their ball and going home?
Re:How childish! (Score:4, Insightful)
Redhat chose not to provide binaries for 3.1 beta2. So who exactly is being childish here? Certainly not KDE, and probably not even Redhat. I'd say it's you.
Tabbed Konqueror? (Score:2)
Re:Tabbed Konqueror? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:KDE reminds of Fisher Price (Score:1)
You need to know more. Developing a window manager isn't exactly the same level like 'Hello world' apps.
Umm not just redhat is missing (Score:1)
Re:Umm not just redhat is missing (Score:2)
You'll also note a lack of binaries for any community developed distro or system. You won't find NetBSD, Gentoo, Debian, etc. You see, these teams don't get paid by corporations for producing broken packages for beta releases on impossible time schedules.
FreeBSD is focusing on the kde-3.1 release. Hurdles that must be overcome are producing stable packages for -current (gcc-3.2) and -stable (gcc-2.95), the occasional linuxisms that crop up, and the irrational expectation by users that packages must be flawless. Expect stable 3.1 packages to be available at the time of the official announcement or very shortly thereafter.
Re:Umm not just redhat is missing (Score:1)
I didnt mean to sound like i was basing the *bsd team, or the KDE people.. It was mostly just a comment on the original story post..
*All* coders have a monumental task, and they should all get credit.. Be it for KDE, a kernel or even a 'minor' utility..
Really fast (Score:2)