MS Withdraws From WC3 Web Services Working Group 47
slashusrslashbin writes "CNet is reporting that Microsoft has broken with a key Web Services standard effort.
Apparently the W3C 'is not the only vehicle in which to impact and evaluate a set of technologies.' Evaluating them in a massive monopoly is probably just as good..."
surprise? (Score:4, Interesting)
Afterall microsoft _is_ the standard, why should you have independent standard committees??
Next Apple (pun intended) (Score:1)
IRaq (the 1U windows server)
IRan (the 59's windows server).
IRate (the 'We are the best' windows server)
INovation (Bills russian gymnastic partner in the M$ trials)
ICame, ISaw, IKonqured. (Bill wanking over windows then cutting up the rest of the Kompotition).
Re:surprise? (Score:1, Troll)
Re:surprise? (Score:2)
Re:surprise? (Score:3, Informative)
If you're referring to the "reporting" done here in Slashdot, think again. The article posted re: Office XML was flamebait, pure and simple, as are many of the "m$ sucks" articles posted here day in and day out.
I suggest you go read the responses to that article - pay attention to those modded down "flamebait". And then find a valid news source.
Microsoft will extend the base classes to the point of complete uninteroperability as
Re:surprise? (Score:1)
--- Mono - going nowhere slowly....
mark my words (Score:2)
In other news (Score:4, Funny)
Microsoft announces new standardized anti trust laws...
Re:Microsoft has never followed standards (Score:1)
Now as for why they are leaving the Web Services group I don't know. Since they are a pioneer in that it seems a bit strange to me.
Re:Microsoft has never followed standards (Score:1, Insightful)
In order to qualify as a standard I think that it should at least be possible for another vendor to offer an implementation of the standard.
I cant think of any "Standard" that Microsoft has set that anyone else has successfully/easilly actually implemented to make an interoperable client.
Certainly some good efforts have been made, eg. Samba.
Re:Microsoft has never followed standards (Score:1)
And I'm sure I'm forgetting some others.
In other news (Score:1)
Don't say I didn't warn you!
The only interesting question remaining is whether they'll shut it down before or after Mono becomes a better, stabler, more standards-compliant implementation of
Daniel
Re:In other news (Score:1)
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Re:In other news (Score:1)
Even where MS is, like at my company, we are moving from IIS and MS java to real java so we implement on any platform.
The point is that java is alive and well, just not where you see it. Its like linux, in that respect, you don't know its there cause it does its job in the background, not on the desktop.
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Re:In other news (Score:1)
Daniel
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And that wouldn't help the M$ PR machine, now, would it?
Daniel
Only a portion of the W3C (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Only a portion of the W3C (Score:2)
Re:Only a portion of the W3C (Score:2)
Developers! Developers! Developers!
Public Image, Feet to Fire, Etc. (Score:5, Interesting)
As the article said, it's a real shame that the standards making body loss the contributions of MS, since their emissaries were regarded well by the rest of the members.
Two things are evident, though.
One, that MS joins standards bodies as part of a public relations and marketing ploy. They find there is some value in being able to use standards as a way to sell their product (eg, the latest "Office does XML"), but their commitment to adhering to standards and to releasing full specifications of their products, which have become de facto standards, is monotonously disappointing.
Second, while the anti-trust investigation by the U.S Department of Justice was underway and the outcome was subject to some chance, their behavior was better. Unfortunately, it seems as if they already know or don't fear the outcome of the EU investigation, or they might make a better effort to uphold standards, which are the essential ingredient for a competitive software marketplace.
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Re:IBM (Score:3, Insightful)
I exclusively use Mozilla these days, so I am quite glad that Netscape failed.
Re:IBM (Score:1)
Did you fall asleep and bang your head off the keyboard?
TWW
Ms vs. IBM (Score:3, Insightful)
I read this, thought "I bet the slashdotters will denounce Big Bill and leave IBM alone". Was I right?
Standards Bodies should Standardize (Score:1)
We don't need any standards... (Score:3, Funny)
WMA, BMP, WAV, RLE, were all formats that absolutely necessary. There was no other way before to store that kind of information.
C# is also so important! I mean, there was no language before that could be run in a virtual machine.
Microsoft shuns real time strategy? (Score:1)
I didn't know that Microsoft had anything against battlenet...
Old MS Joke (Score:4, Funny)
Q. How many Microsoft engineers does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. None. They simply declare darkness to be the new standard.
GONNNNG!!
MY GAMES! (Score:1)
Re:MY GAMES! (Score:1)
erf (Score:2)
Cause:The new Patents working draft? (Score:2)
Dropping out of a standards organization? (Score:2)
All kidding aside, they do tend do to this, via the weight they can throw around to force users into the new 'standard'.