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KDE 3.2 Alpha 1 Finally on FTP 285

Posted by michael from the wonder-if-annoying-scrollbar-bug-is-fixed-yet dept.
An anonymous reader cut-and-pastes from the announcement: "Stephan Kulow finally managed to get the last bits of the KDE 3.2 Alpha 1 codenamed 'Brokenboring' including KDevelop 3.0 Alpha 6 on the ftp server (the mirrors should soon pick it up). There won't be any binary packages for this release because the KDE 'P(a)i' release is coming out soon. Everyone using it is asked to compile it with --enable-debug, so we can get valuable feedback. There is a new unstable version of Konstruct to install it."
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  • KDE most impressive open source project - ever (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 11, 2003 @08:40AM (#6929549)
    The progress that these guys have made in 5 years and the sheer volume of quality code is simply amazing. What are these guys doing right as compared to all the other projects? They even stick to their development and release schedules better than most commercial companies. And despite everyone calling for the death of C++, KDE is the shining example of what can be accomplished in that language. I seriously doubt it could have been constructed in any other language and produce as quick and relatively error-free code as these guys have produced.

    • Re:KDE most impressive open source project - ever (Score:4, Interesting)

      by RoLi ( 141856 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @09:03AM (#6929681)
      What are these guys doing right as compared to all the other projects?

      In my opinion, the KDE guys are just a bunch of hackers that do it for fun with not much political, religious and legal considerations.

      Technical considerations are always number 1 for KDE. As an example, KDE has chosen QT because of it's clean design - despite the license which could have been interpreted as incompatible (or just evil) by some at that time. (Today it's GPLed)

      • Not so altruistic (Score:3, Informative)

        by alexhmit01 ( 104757 )
        1. I love KDE - when we run Linux desktops, they are Mandrake/KDE desktops

        2. The KDE project is a quality project, I never liked GNOME's politics. The KDE team had the "harmony" project to create a GPL'd Qt replacement, just in case, the GNOME team could have worked on that instead of going after KDE in a holy war.

        3. We have one developer licensed on Qt (triple platform) and one other that is probably being added to Qt development.

        HOWEVER

        The KDE team was a bunch of Trolltech guys. At least in the beg

        • Not true (Score:5, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 11, 2003 @09:34AM (#6929903)
          Matthias Ettrich and Warwick Allison (just to name a couple of KDE developers) were open source KDE developers first and only after their great acheivements in KDE were they hired by TrollTech. The same is true for most of their other employees - they cut their teeth on the open source KDE platform first. The original KDE team was pretty indifferent to licensing issues and they only cared about using the best written GUI software platform available at the time, namely Qt.

          TrollTech is not the self-serving evil company you make it out to be. They actually care about writing quality code - and it shows in their products.

          And no, I'm not a TrollTech employee. I've just used their software in the past commercially and was very impressed by it.

          • I love TrollTech (Score:5, Interesting)

            by alexhmit01 ( 104757 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @09:50AM (#6930043)
            When did I call TrollTech evil? I am a happy customer, sending them thousands of dollars/year, and using Linux desktops based upon KDE?

            They DO care about writing quality code. They also have HEAVILY supported KDE development to create a market for their API as cross-platform.

            What about that is evil?

            The fact that the resulting desktop is made available for free under the GPL makes it great. They provide for "free," albeit restricted for development, environemtn, to push their product.

            What a great side effect of the invisible hand! In their creation of a market, everyone gets free benefits.

            The only thing that I would like from Qt is a better RAD environment to work with. One of our project upgrades was going to be moved from Cocoa to Qt, which was cancelled because certain limitations in using Qt for RAD development. I look forward to new versions of Qt, they keep getting stronger.

            BTW: as a commercial licensee of Qt, I am REALLY happy that a lot of the KDE core is on Trolltech's payroll. Each version of Qt incorporates more functionality that was handled at the KDE level, and KDE is upgraded to use the new Qt. That makes the features available to those of us wanting Qt's cross platform benefits.

            The Qt/Mac GPL release was also great (although, obviously, with Panther including X11 in the OS, they had no choice, as Qt/X11 on Panther would hit the dreadful "good enough" level without Qt on board). I look forward to the Qt/Mac KDELIB port being in the main tree, and being able to install KDE apps under OS X for my power use.

            Alex

            • Re:I love TrollTech (Score:3, Insightful)

              by platypus ( 18156 )
              When did I call TrollTech evil? I am a happy customer, sending them thousands of dollars/year, and using Linux desktops based upon KDE?
              Indeed, you never even implied them to be evil. But you still got the KDE history wrong. QT existed before KDE and was choosen by the KDE founder(s), none of whom were a Trolltech employee (AFAIK).
              Later on, some of the KDE developers got hired by Trolltech, though.
              But the reason for KDE's existance was never that it might be a marketing tool for QT.
          • Trolltech is also going to go public someday (see the interview with Eirik Eng on kdenews.urg). Once that happens, you can forget about goodwill.
        • The Harmony project was about creating a *L*GPL'ed Qt replacement.
        • As others have said, the KDE wasn't started by Trolltech people. They guys that started KDE simply made the choice to use Qt, because they found it to be the best available. It is true that some KDE developers have since been hired by Trolltech, but I don't see anything wrong with that. There is no doubt that Trolltech benefits from KDE, but your conclusion: "The KDE team was formed by Trolltech to create a marketplace for a Unix/Win32 cross-platform toolkit." is just plain wrong.
    • The progress that these guys have made in 5 years and the sheer volume of quality code is simply amazing.

      Yet, it pales in comparison to the accomplishment that "could have been" if they had collaborated with the Gnome team (or verse visa) to create one standard desktop.

      Now we have two competing desktops with the users sitting on the sidelines waiting for a winner.

      • Re:KDE most impressive open source project - ever (Score:5, Insightful)

        by RoLi ( 141856 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @09:20AM (#6929781)
        Yet, it pales in comparison to the accomplishment that "could have been" if they had collaborated with the Gnome team (or verse visa) to create one standard desktop.

        Which is? IMO KDE delivers a complete desktop without any major shortcomings. Could you come up with an example?

        Also GNOME was started because at that time QT was not GPLed and the goal was to replace KDE/Qt.

        "Replace" means "destroy" in the software world which isn't a very good start for cooperation.

        • Which is? IMO KDE delivers a complete desktop without any major shortcomings. Could you come up with an example?

          Well, the most obvious one is that's something of an all or nothing proposition. You're either a KDE app (which almost always means C++) and have access to the infrastructure provided, or you aren't. That poses problems for Wine, OpenOffice, Mozilla - not to mention all the desktop neutral software out there like XMMS, Gaim, mplayer and so on.

          There are people of course who use KDEs replaceme

          • the KDE guys made it inevitable when they chose to give two fingers to the philosophy that had made the free software movement possibly in the first place

            Some would say that the confrontation started when the founders of GNOME decided to work on a competing desktop environment instead of a free replacement for Qt. The former was not "inevitable".
            • What kind of message would that have sent? That the KDE developers could do what they wanted, and those who cared about free software would have to race to catch up? Qt isn't small you know, and the KDE guys weren't willing to rule out using TrollTechs version.

              No. That would not have been an acceptable solution. If you're going to do something as big as a desktop, you need to get your priorities in order, and if there was a need for a toolkit then there was a need and meeting it should have been the first

          • Today, creating non-C++ KDE apps is simple. Just get PyKDE. Loads easier than C++-KDE, really.

            Also, it is possible to use KDE's infrastructure without being a KDE app.

            For example: ioslaves for network transparency.

            Say you want to get a file through HTTP as if you were a KDE app?

            Just call

            kfmclient copy http://whatever /wherever

            and wait() on it.

            Want to open a file using the KDE mime-type associations? Just call

            kfmclient exec url

            Want to make your app use KDE icons for mimetypes and such? This one is t
            • Invoking things via shell scripts is all well and good, but to actually integrate with the desktop you need access to the KDE classes, as they are the canonical implementation, and that means linking with kdelibs and Qt. I guess you could expose everything through little command line apps, but that's even lowest-common-denominator than having a C library for it.

          • Re:KDE most impressive open source project - ever (Score:4, Insightful)

            by RoLi ( 141856 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @11:50AM (#6931479)
            Well, the most obvious one is that's something of an all or nothing proposition. You're either a KDE app (which almost always means C++) and have access to the infrastructure provided, or you aren't. That poses problems for Wine, OpenOffice, Mozilla - not to mention all the desktop neutral software out there like XMMS, Gaim, mplayer and so on.

            Well that is pretty much the nature of the beast: Of course only KDE-aware apps can use KDE-specific features.

            But I agree that for example GTK-prgrammers could have written wrappers to use KDE-dialogs etc.

            That's one side of it, a valid side. But really, the KDE guys made it inevitable when they chose to give two fingers to the philosophy that had made the free software movement possibly in the first place. Having built an entirely free software platform, there were a lot of people who weren't pleased with the idea that it might be compromised by Qt.

            While I agree that the original Qt-license was not perfect, I think KDE has chosen a right balance between being open and getting things done - which also made Linux successful in stark contrast to all the GNU-fanatic projects like the Hurd. So yes, Qt's former license was a concern, but not big enough IMO to stop using KDE.

            This kind of I-only-care-about-licenses-if-it-concerns-me and get-things-done attitude is exactly what Linux and KDE have in common and which is to a great part reason for their success.

            A similar example are binary-only modules in Linux, which were allowed by Linus but most likely not by RMS.

            • I'd be careful with that line of reasoning - the relative success of Linux vs the Hurd has a lot more to do with technical design and leadership, not licensing. The binary only kernel modules thing is interesting but ultimately does not give anybody control over the direction of the kernel, in the same way that building a desktop on a non-free toolkit would have given TT control.

              The main problem with depending on KDE for apps like Wine, OO, Mozilla is that they wish to remain desktop neutral - remember t

      • Yet, it pales in comparison to the accomplishment that "could have been" if they had collaborated with the Gnome team

        Then talk to the Gnome-team. After all, it was the Gnome-folks who set out to reinvent the wheel. KDE was started before Gnome was even a twinkle in de Icazas eyes.

        And besides, "standard desktop" on Linux is not possible. People will run whatever suits their needs, you can't force them to run some "standard desktop". Besides, competition between the two desktops is a GOOD thing!

      • Wow, I must be the only one that isn't sitting on the sidelines, and instead picking whichever one to use that I want.
      • Only two desktops? You speak as if KDE and Gnome are gonna have a celebrity deathmatch sometime in the near future. Actually, you're right. And during this fight, Fluxbox will jump in and stomp all over them both, and then we'll FINALLY have a single "desktop".
      • Firstly, or course, they are co-operating through freedesktop.org

        Secondly - its the challenge that an alternative exists that drives both teams to innovate and make their particular project better. So whats to say that this actually means that KDE (and GNOME) have not got further than if they had tried to fit incompatible technologies together.

      • Re:KDE most impressive open source project - ever (Score:4, Insightful)

        by swillden ( 191260 ) * <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @10:28AM (#6930368) Journal

        Yet, it pales in comparison to the accomplishment that "could have been" if they had collaborated with the Gnome team (or verse visa) to create one standard desktop.

        I disagree. The two desktops compete (even though they say they don't), trying to keep up with one another, stealing each other's good ideas and enhancing them with their own. The result is much faster progress on both that would have been achieved by either individually.

        Further, it's a mistake to think that both GNOME and KDE are drawing on the same limited pool of development talent, for two reasons. First, the set of C programmers and the set of C++ programmers are pretty much disjoint. Sure, the syntax has common roots, but philosophy and approach are worlds apart, and pushing the camps together would just create massive infighting. Second, competition generates excitement, excitement generates interest and *interest* is what drives open source development.

        Your statement holds the implicit assumption that if a KDE didn't exist, the KDE developers would have been hacking on GNOME, and vice versa, but I'd be surprised if there would be more than a bare handful for whom this is true.

        Now we have two competing desktops with the users sitting on the sidelines waiting for a winner.

        Who's sitting and waiting? Both environments are very usable (IMO, both are far superior to Windows), and users are free to pick the one they want. Or, in the case of the newbie or the corporate desktop, have one picked for them.

      • Yet, it pales in comparison to the accomplishment that "could have been" if they had collaborated with the Gnome team (or verse visa) to create one standard desktop.

        Now we have two competing desktops with the users sitting on the sidelines waiting for a winner.

        You're kidding right?

        I always thought how great it is to have two major desktops on the same platform. Competition drives innovation, and I think that has been well demonstrated by the pace of development of both KDE and GNOME in recent years.

        Put

  • Brokenboring? (Score:4, Funny)

    by essiescreet ( 553257 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @08:40AM (#6929551)
    This is awsome, with a name like this how can it be anything other than... er... great, hmmm, what a name.

    • Re:Brokenboring? (Score:3, Informative)

      by JamesKPolk ( 13313 )
      The name does fits in with other KDE alpha release names, like Krash.

      Anyway, Brokenboring comes from a proposal that was made during the KDE 3.2 development cycle. "Brockenboring" was the name given to the proposal, and a detractor quickly turned that into "Brokenboring."

      See http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=105655450 429442 for the proposal and http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=105722962 907440 for some of the criticism.

  • a native port of kde on osx (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 11, 2003 @08:41AM (#6929558)
    anyone know if someone is working on a native port of kde to osx?

  • Don't let the source code compilation scare you! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nighty5 ( 615965 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @08:47AM (#6929595)
    The KDE team have done a fantastic job at providing the necessary tools for even a slightly tech savvy user to upgrade to the latest development release.

    Checkout Konstruct [kde.org] to learn how to run a simple script to download, verify, compile and install the components to get KDE working on your machine.

  • Doesn't work for me.... (Score:5, Funny)

    by stephenry ( 648792 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @08:49AM (#6929609)
    I try to download it the other day, but my KBrowser was having KTrouble downloading the KFiles from the KFtp.

  • :: SIGH :: (Score:5, Funny)

    by xanadu-xtroot.com ( 450073 ) <xanaduNO@SPAMinorbit.com> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @08:50AM (#6929614) Homepage Journal
    Man, and 3.1.3 finally finsihed compiling on my 233-MMX just yesterday...

    O-well...

  • Live CD with this alpha release? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by d-Orb ( 551682 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @08:55AM (#6929640) Homepage

    I think it would be advantageous to provide a Live CD with the alpha/beta releases, so that people can get into debugging the code straight away (I for instance, cannot download, compile and use KDE easily due to disk space, bandwidth problems. I could however, use a Knoppix version with the alpha release to test around).

    Searching around shows the DragOS Project [berlios.de], but I haven't had time to check it. Does anyone know of similar efforts?

  • "The code is quite rough in many places"

    Hmmm, as many wise developers have said to me, it only takes about another 10-20% longer to write decent well documented code. When you think of how long it will save you debugging it might save you time.

  • Lame K name jokes here! (Score:5, Funny)

    by LMCBoy ( 185365 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @08:59AM (#6929660) Homepage Journal
    Everyone who's going to post a lame joke based on the fact that many KDE apps start with "K", please post them under this thread.

    Here, I'll start: "hey, didja ever notice how a lot of KDE apps start with 'K'?! What's the deal with that? Ha! Ha! Ha! Those KDE guys aren't very 'K-creative' Ha! Ha! Get it??" There, that's about the best one I've ever read, actually.

  • Will this have the Dreamweaver killer Quanta 3.2? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Surak ( 18578 ) * <surakNO@SPAMmailblocks.com> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @09:03AM (#6929679) Homepage Journal
    Eric Laffoon recently made comments in his story [sourceforge.net] about meeting Wil Wheaton [slashdot.org] statements about GUI capability in Quanta 3.2. If, so the 3.2 release could be a very important milestone for KDE, because it will mean that Dreamweaver finally has competition on Linux for those web developers still stuck on using WYSIWYG html editing tools.

    • it will mean that Dreamweaver finally has competition on Linux

      That would first require that Dreamweaver be available on Linux, wouldn't it?
    • Yes, it will be in there and Nicholas is working on VPL support. That is the WYSIWYG functionality that we're all awaiting. Both Quanta AND KDevelop have _drastically_ improved in 3.2.

      Also, keep an eye out for Juk (KDE's answer to ITunes) in this new release. It is an incredibly cool jukebox program that has automatic tagging and vFolder playlists.

  • Kolab groupware (Score:3, Interesting)

    by esarjeant ( 100503 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @09:05AM (#6929692) Homepage
    Kolab [kde.org] is looking interesting, and if you combine this with Kontact [kde.org] you could just have the real Lotus Notes killer. With MS Exchange support, the extensibility of Kontact would make it easy to integrate in a Lotus Notes environment as well.

    Ostensibly these look to be part of KDE 3.2, has anyone done the download/compile/install yet that can confirm/deny this.

    This is great stuff, btw. I'm excited that KDE is tackling these kinds of applications, I may just switch back from Moz once the kinks have been worked out.
    • Kontact is indeed part of 3.2, however, thought he IMAP support is great for Exchange, and I can import my appointments into KOrganizer vai WebDAV, I have yet to get the groupware parts of Kontact functioning properly (like whne people send me meeting requests, etc).

      The guys REALLY need a good HOWTO set this up for Exchange, which I have been unable to find. Kolab is great, but realistically, many people are going to be looking for Exchange compatability.

    • Re:Kolab groupware (Score:2, Informative)

      by unborn ( 415272 )
      Exchange support is not even in the works (yet):

      http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kd e- 3.2-features.html

      It's marked red there still. I can also attest that there are no signs of Exchange support in CVS ( thanks to my distro providing easy compiles, I update every week ).
  • if it fixes the problems I've had with KDE 3.1. When I right click a menu bar to choose something, (usually move to another desktop), the menu disappears when the mouse moves down over it. And if you click the box on the upper left side, the first time I pull down over it it desappears, (though it stays the second time). Also, though I don't know if it's an X problem or a KDE problem, the GUI locks up with only the mouse moving, (it's not possible to interract with any windows or the kicker). I love KDE

  • Microsofts Nightmare. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Qbertino ( 265505 ) <moiraNO@SPAMmodparlor.com> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @09:13AM (#6929737)
    I had a close look at post 3.0 KDE at the LinuxTag earlier this year. I'm still very much a windowmanager fan with E, Fluxbox and Windowmaker on my favorites list. But after I had a guy from the KDE booth show me all the stuff that I can change and activate to get KWin (KDEs WM) away from the default of emulating MS Windows crappines and closer to E/Windowmaker/Fluxbox usability features I thougt I'd give a pure KDE enviroment a chance on Debian Woody with KDE 3.1. It o\/\/nZ0Rz nearly every other desktop I've worked with.
    The conlusion is that with a proper setup there is no doubt what so ever that KDE kicks MS Windows up and down the street usability wise in every possible detail. It takes me about 30 seconds to get any Windows desktop user conviced that MS days as a monopoly are counted.
    Further on: Ralph Nolden showed previews of what brewing with the 3.2 version of KDevelop and some other goodies. Apart from built-in support of something like a dozen and more programming languages there is a lot of stuff that will cause me to migrate from 3.1 to 3.2 asap.

    To me it's quite evident: If OSS is the hauting horde of MS executives sleepless nights, the current and future KDE is the chief Boogieman of them all.
    • I don't know how you manage to convince anyone of anything if you use the word o\/\/nZ0Rz in posts...
      • While "o\/\/nZ0Rz" in this context has a little touch of humor to it I actually used it as an very short extremisation of "is better than" or a simular normal english term.
        The fact that you jumped to it actually proves that I was right in my choice of words for /.s audience, no?. :-)
    • This sounds interesting. Can you define any sequence of keystrokes to do anything, like in fluxbox, and can it do it just as fast?

      • Re:Microsofts Nightmare. (Score:4, Informative)

        by fault0 ( 514452 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @11:01AM (#6930739) Homepage Journal
        Yes, and in kde 3.2a1, with khotkeys2, you can even define mouse gestures and attach dcop scripting calls, keystrokes, mouse movements, etc.. etc.. to any KDE app.

        You could, for example, define a mouse gesture to tell kwin to close the current window. Or, you could define a keystroke a tell kdevelop (or any app using dcop) to open a new project and add a bunch of files to it.

        Oh yeah, media keyboard support is also better in this alpha.
    • Oh, please. Microsoft is busy hardware-accelerating their desktop, adding complete vector scaling, replacing Win32 with .NET, and creating a much-talked-about new photorealistic interface called Aero that nobody knows anything about yet. There are so many revolutionary new features of Longhorn that I can't list them all, from XML scripted modular installs to WinFS (which kicks the crap out of BeOS' pseudo-database filesystem).

      I'm sorry, but Visual Studio .NET 2003 is still the absolute best IDE out there
      • Well yeah, about the same time longhorn comes out you mean?
      • > Last I tried KDevelop, it kept crying for the documentation packages, which my distro didn't install because you apparently need the source code to have them. Bizarre.

        The new kdevelop in kde 3.2a1 has been pretty much rewritten from almost scratch. It's actually been in development for nearly 3 years.

        > to that mess of a menu

        The kmenu has also been cleared in up 3.2. Not only does it have a reduced amount of catagories, but it it follows the freedesktop menu standard (with GNOME (2.6?) and others)

  • KDE Developers Anonymous (Score:4, Funny)

    by ThyTurkeyIsDone ( 695324 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @09:22AM (#6929804)
    [This is an update of my earlier post on this subject, which I won't link to because this is much better. Mod me up if you want to protest against the gnaming kraziness; don't mod me down if you're humor-challenged.]

    KDE Developers Anonymous

    Hello group, my name is Klark and I'm addikted to the letter K... As is the kase with many of you, I've always been krazy about komputers and like many of my fellow komp sci students, I was looking forward to a suksessful kareer in the field of information and kommunikation teknology... but my troubles started when I diskovered open source software and the wonderful kommunity around it and got kwite seriously into KDE development... At first I didn't komprehend the effekt this would kome to have on my life as a koder - it wasn't really konspikuous initially when I started to spell more and more kommon words with a k, sometimes even with a kapital K... But then my kolleagues began to wonder why I kouldn't spell korrektly. They asked me, "Are you on krack? Kut the krap!"... some even went as far as kalling me kompletely krazy! What kould I do? I must admit, I'm a kolerik person, even kwick-tempered you might say... okkasionally I would get inkredibly angry and kuss and kurse at my ko-workers... People should judge me by the kontent of my karakter instead of just kriticizing what they konsider kurious spelling! Other times, I would just retreat into a korner and kry kwietly by myself... However, it wasn't until they kicked me out of my kalligraphy kourse at kommunity kollege and I lost my job on akkount of my unkooperative konduct that I finally realized I had to kome to terms with my problem... so here I am, this is my koming-out... I know my kase is a komplex one, but I do hope it is kurable...
    • You kan get kikked out of the KDE Developers Anonymous for talking like that. You write 'ski' with a k, while it obviously should be written with a k, other spelling errors: sourke, krakk, kwikk, kritikizing, kikked, kondukt.

  • To the whiners about one unique desktop (Score:5, Insightful)

    by vadim_t ( 324782 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @09:25AM (#6929830) Homepage
    Stop whining. It WON'T happen.

    Windows has one GUI because it's made by one company with one central management. KDE and Gnome are different teams, that work in different ways, use different languages and have different ideas. To expect that just because you think one desktop is needed that they'll leave whatever they're doing and start coding your ideal desktop is foolish. Deal with it, most OSS developers work on things because they like working on them, not because they're working for the common good.

    Besides, there can't be a perfect WM. I don't want KDE 3 on a P166, there I'd use IceWM or Enlightenment. I don't want IceWM on my dual Athlon either, where I can use that extra power for something useful. I also don't like Gnome, while many Gnome users probably hate KDE.

    Heck, how does anybody expect that we can somehow get independent developers to agree on one unique project when the world still hasn't managed to agree on one unique measure system?

    It's odd really. In the poll that's here right now the options are in kg, and half of the posts in it is whining: "But where Americans! Why isn't it in pounds?". Then go to a KDE discussion and somehow now half of the discussion is whining about that we need a single standard.
    • Stop whining. It WON'T happen.

      Fine, then stop whining when Linux gains only miniscule desktop market share as a result.
    • I don't want one unique desktop. I don't like KDE. It seems cluttered, and has a million different configuration options for everything. I prefer the Gnome 2 concept of making everything simple, and providing nice defaults.

      Equally, however, I would not want to see KDE go away, or lag behind Gnome (or the same happening to Gnome). If this did happen then there would be a strong incentive for Gnome's UI complexity to increase, detracting from Gnome's strengths and turning it into an inferior copy of KDE.

  • For the non-technical (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Telex4 ( 265980 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @09:36AM (#6929929) Homepage
    For those like myself who can't program in C++, but who can install this alpha version, or any other versions before 3.2 final, there is a lot you can do to help KDE:

    * Report bugs. If you find something crashes, doesn't work as you'd expect it to, or there's a feature you think is missing, report it at http://bugs.kde.org [kde.org].

    * Submit documentation. Lots of apps in KDE will have out of date documentation, or none at all. If you understand how to use just such an app, consider writing documentation for it and submitting it to KDE.

    * Submit translations. If American English isn't your native language, consider translating the text in applications to languages you feel confident with.

    More can be found at: http://www.kde.org/support [kde.org]
  • Now that Mandrake is at 9.2RC2. It looks like my next KDE upgrade will be to 3.1.3

    When the next Mandrake release is out I hope to be using KDE 3.2 or better.

    But with all this talk about Konstruct I may give that a try on a test box.

    With so many applications built into KDE (KOffice, Konqueor, Games, etc.) you could almost have a nice little distro based entirely on KDE.
    • > It looks like my next KDE upgrade will be to 3.1.3

      3.1.4 will be out soon, with bugfixes to 3.1.3.

      > With so many applications built into KDE (KOffice, Konqueor, Games, etc.) you could almost have a nice little distro based entirely on KDE.

      Lindows? Xandros? Lycoris? Corel Linux?
      • >3.1.4 will be out soon, with bugfixes to 3.1.3.

        Yes, but the next release of Mandrake is going to use 3.1.3 and I tend to upgrade my distro as a whole

        >Lindows? Xandros? Lycoris? Corel Linux?

        I'm talking about a KDE only distro, many of these others include duplicate apps such as OpenOffice or Mozilla. I think for the standard user a distro optimized for and using only KDE could easily fit on 1 CD and have just about everything they need.

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